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So there's a couple of ways to look at the crowd issue at Hammerstein:

-For some, even some diehard NO fans, music plays an increasingly lesser role in their lives as we all inevitably get older. So you might expect that they would be less inclined to go wild and dance at the shows.

-For some, including many diehard NO fans, music is their reason for being, and this was a religious or orgasmic experience and they are more inclined to go bonkers at the shows.

Neither are the wrong experience/reaction. Just depends on personality.

I love the comment above in this thread that someone made about the crowd being so tame that they refused to throw cups at Dragonette like they did when Red Flag opened for Devo back in the day. How old were you then, and how old are you now? Music is not exclusively about defining who you are as it might have been then. That, and you'd hope that the crowd would have had their maturity age along with them. It didn't surprise me to see no cups thrown as the crowd was really adults. (However Dragonette still sucked.)

But I do agree with the sentiment that there were plenty of seats for sale in the mezz and 2nd balc, so if you wanted to be planted in place, you had options.

And I agree with Spotnik about the crowd being pretty wild in NY. Every time I turned around, the crowds in the mezz and balc seemed to be going apesh!t to me, but maybe I was just euphoric and imagining it. ;)

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no you are absolutely right. I was in the Mezz and we were going crazy!

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did anyone else notice the two elderly people in the seats on the second or third level off of stage right Dancing around like maniacs? i swear the had to be pushing 70+ the lady seemed to go off dancing on a few of the New tracks

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Yeah,I noticed the couple,theywhere just in front of us...I think they had their 25 year old son or daughter with them and friends... They where in the private balcony if we are talking about the same couple...3rd section up just under the spot light guy and his to girl friends....

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that has to be the same couple

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newsday)nyc show-long island newspaper

POP MUSIC REVIEW New Order's new wave sounds truly new

BY GLENN GAMBOA STAFF WRITER

May 7, 2005

With new new-wave all the rage this year, it only makes sense that there be a new New Order to lead the movement again.

In their first New York concert in more than a decade, the new-wave pioneers moved past their mysterious cool image that bands from Interpol to Franz Ferdinand work so hard to cultivate today. Instead, the band's 100-minute set was a celebration of its brilliant past, recast to reflect its still-potent future.

"We hope you enjoyed that as much as we did," singer Bernard Sumner said after a soulful rendition of "Run Wild," revealing the underlying theme for the evening. New Order's past is filled with misfortune - from the suicide of Ian Curtis, lead singer of the band's previous incarnation, Joy Division, to its battles with bankruptcy and substance abuse. Yet nothing but joy is evident onstage these days, from Sumner bouncing around like a schoolboy and busting out some break-dancing moves to bassist Peter Hook's triumphant poses in the spotlight, as he coaxes his unique melodies from his low-slung bass.

For years, New Order has straddled the line between dance music and rock, a move it continues on its new album "Waiting for the Sirens' Call." The one-two punch of new songs - "Hey Now, What You Doing?" and the current single "Krafty" - showed how it leans toward rock, especially with the addition of guitarist-keyboardist Phil Cunningham, who, along with drummer-keyboardist Stephen Morris, gives the band a beefier-sounding core.

The sound is reminiscent of the more rock-oriented days of Joy Division, which eventually became New Order after Curtis' death on the eve of the band's first American tour. Sumner marked the 25th anniversary of Curtis' passing with a pair of Joy Division encores, "She's Lost Control" and "Atmosphere," which still sound current today.

The strongest tribute, though, came earlier during "Love Will Tear Us Apart," which Hook called "an old-fashioned sing-along." The band seemed to feed off the crowd's frenzied reaction to the song, picking up its pace as Sumner screamed "Faster!" while the crowd sang the chorus. That high point was quickly surpassed by a roaring, set-closing version of "Temptation," restored to its manic dance-anthem version rather than the dirge-like version Moby recorded on his current album.

Of course, no New Order show is complete without "Blue Monday," the biggest-selling 12-inch single of all time and the song that launched a new genre by combining British new wave with American hip-hop rhythms and production techniques. Sumner maximized the song's drama, singing the signature line, "Now I stand here waiting," then crossing his arms and tapping his feet, while a swirl of synthesizers and Hook's memorable bass riff sped past him. There's even a nod to the current generation of "Blue Monday" lovers, as they slip in a bit of Kylie Minogue's "Can't Get You Out of My Head," which incorporates "Blue Monday" into its remix.

It's a sign of how the band continues to move forward. After all, opener Dragonette showed how easy it is to get stuck in the past. Aside from their first single "I Get Around," the British sextet's 30-minute set was mostly bland synth-pop that could have come out in 1985 - teal-blazered drummer, portable-keyboard player and all.

Dragonette's failure only reinforces how grand New Order's success is at keeping electronic music from becoming too sterile and at keeping rock music from becoming too navel-gazing. It's another innovation that today's new new-wavers need to nick from the masters.

NEW ORDER. Heeding "Sirens' Call" leads the new-wave pioneers back to artistic high ground and mainstream success. At sold-out Hammerstein Ballroom on Thursday. With Dragonette.

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frank smarra wrote: did anyone else notice the two elderly people in the seats on the second or third level off of stage right Dancing around like maniacs? i swear the had to be pushing 70+ the lady seemed to go off dancing on a few of the New tracks

You me on upper stage right?

Apparently, those were the Scissor Sisters, or people with Ana Matronic...

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no they were in the balcony and they were really old people, like close to 70.

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That box balcony area had to be for someone important,because the 10-15 people knew each other well..and that was all the people in that area...

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i spotted an elderly man with a salford tshirt.

relatives of new order?

Dragonette was complete shit. Fucking new wave brainless, recycled, undanceable. They reminded me of saved by the bell band. Also reminded me why new order is so bloody good.

I danced the complete time. I even did some lines. I shouldn't be too proud of that. A new order show deserves drugs.

Music isnt worhwhile if you cant to it if you ask me.

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oldmonkey wrote:

It wasn't a painting at a museum.....and I doubt Bernard gets called "artwork" very often! If it's common civility you want, stick to museums. If it's New Order you want, go with the flow or head out the door.

So... common courtesy has no place at rock concerts? I don't buy it, oldmonkey, and neither should you.

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That old couple up in the balcony is Dennis and Lois, maybe the biggest and most dedicated fans of britpop and punk ever. They were even immortalized in song by the Happy Mondays.

Check out this NPR article about the couple.

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apparently, common courtesy isn't important in Dear Ol' Blighty. stay at the pub until the band come on stage then take whatever spot you want. if i didn't know AJ, JG and the other Brits were going to make the push in Oakland, i would have been pissed too, but at the end of the day, they made the experience much better. the point is, it's a public space and whoever wants the space more is going to get it. either hold your ground with elbows out (like we did) or move. if you had been assigned that square foot on the floor, then you'd have a point. General Admission is a blessing and a curse.

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exactly.... if you are afraid of people, get seated tix or rent the dvd....

to me, part of the APPEAL of a live show is the sweaty folks bumping into me.... sure, it can get irritating, especially the idiots who seem to run upfront past you whenever a HIT is played, and then back out to get a drink during a newer song, then back IN for the next hit.... but hell, whatever....

how can you let that affect watching new order!

it was a CLASSIC evening.... I will never forget it...

I've seen them many times since 1986, and this was one of their best performances... i play live music, and understood the early sound issues, which were resolved. i also know that onstage, you are concerned just that folks STAY and are focused on you.... not what percentage are dancing! I had a few slower fans nearby not dancing at all, and I was pogoing insanely... whatever. I spent 99% of my time watching the band, not upset about people beside me.

Maybe cause I play live and been to hundreds of shows in my life, I know how live situations are... some people just stand still, some folks go apeshit, some folks are asses... whatever.... everyone I saw had a smile on their face...

that seems to be the main point. it ain't a movie theater.

and, p.s. what is up with standing in line for hours? I saw that insane line at 6 and proceeded to TGIF until 8pm.... then I came in, walked politely as close I could get to the band without upsetting anyone.... and I had a fine time halfway back... could see and hear everything fine.

it isn't hard folks...

p.s. i know i dissed tgif before the show, but NOW I see why it made sense, there really was NOTHING else around!!!

edit: did i mention that NEW ORDER ROCK??? my wife has never seen them and LOVED IT.... HOOK IS GOD!!!!

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jonathan szwajkos wrote:

Dragonette was complete shit. Fucking new wave brainless, recycled, undanceable. They reminded me of saved by the bell band. Also reminded me why new order is so bloody good.

That's some funny shit. If Screech had been on keyboard I might have actually given them a shot.

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Drew Olewnick wrote: Latecomers like ourselves, as well as the party-people from TGIF, should respect that and park their asses in the rear of the room.

I mean, we paid the same price for admission!

Hmmm, now just try and imagine how even more annoyed you might have been had you realised half of that contingent hadn't actually paid for their admission and, on top of that, they'd actually been guested for seats in the mezzanine but -- once realising security weren't gonna let them get closer to the band -- had gone via the service elevator to get to the floor area, thus surely contravening all health and safety procedures?!?!

Anyways, who the fcuk would bring an ass to a New Order concert in the first instance, in order to park it [ahem] up the rear?! I know there's a lot of horse 'n' traps around Central Park, but surely they could've just caught another taxi home instead of expecting one to hang around for them on site?!

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Hmmm, now just try and imagine how even more annoyed you might have been had you realised half of that contingent hadn't actually paid for their admission and, on top of that, they'd actually been guested for seats in the mezzanine but -- once realising security weren't gonna let them get closer to the band -- had gone via the service elevator to get to the floor area, thus surely contravening all health and safety procedures?!?!

Anyways, who the fcuk would bring an ass to a New Order concert in the first instance, in order to park it [ahem] up the rear?! I know there's a lot of horse 'n' traps around Central Park, but surely they could've just caught another taxi home instead of expecting one to hang around for them on site?!

Touche! It's just not cricket. (in total aggreement) YSF!

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frank smarra wrote: did anyone else notice the two elderly people in the seats on the second or third level off of stage right Dancing around like maniacs? i swear the had to be pushing 70+ the lady seemed to go off dancing on a few of the New tracks

The famous Dennis and Lois!

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Drew Olewnick wrote:

oldmonkey wrote:

It wasn't a painting at a museum.....and I doubt Bernard gets called "artwork" very often! If it's common civility you want, stick to museums. If it's New Order you want, go with the flow or head out the door.

So... common courtesy has no place at rock concerts? I don't buy it, oldmonkey, and neither should you.

All dressed in casual new attire While some drank beer in TGI They raised the hopes of performance fine They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They carried pictures of their wives While others drank in TGI They queued up and got mighty miffed When some went blagging down the lift They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line New Order gigs they'd never seen They made it through the metal detector machine To never question anymore The aftershow they never saw They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line They queued in line Queued in line Queued in line

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Drew Olewnick wrote: I'm also not one to arrive hours early for a good spot. So when we got there shortly before showtime Thursday night, we took our spots near the back of the crowd. The folks up front, having arrived hours earlier, are clearly more hardcore fans than myself, and have rightfully earned their "prime" spots up front.

so...the people i was with, who flew in from england to go to the oakland, coachella, chicago, and NYC shows, and have seen NO dozens and dozens of times each, are not hardcore fans i suppose? interesting theory. :confused2:

and those of us who met up at TGIF before the show, who had flown from florida that morning (myself and at least one other chap), georgia, iceland, the UK, canada, kazakhstan, etc.,...well, i guess we're not really 'hardcore' fans either, since we didn't arrive at the venue hours before the show!

and the cardiovascular comment was made by a doctor friend who was reading your posts over my shoulder. running is equally beneficial if yoga is too 'trendy' for you.

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Excellent show. Wonderful to meet similar minded people at TGI´s

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AgentWood wrote:

Drew Olewnick wrote: I'm also not one to arrive hours early for a good spot. So when we got there shortly before showtime Thursday night, we took our spots near the back of the crowd. The folks up front, having arrived hours earlier, are clearly more hardcore fans than myself, and have rightfully earned their "prime" spots up front.

so...the people i was with, who flew in from england to go to the oakland, coachella, chicago, and NYC shows, and have seen NO dozens and dozens of times each, are not hardcore fans i suppose? interesting theory.

You wouldn't let it lie, would you Christy! :thumb:

Go Gunners! :laugh: :skeptic:

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Al Jarvis wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Drew Olewnick wrote: I'm also not one to arrive hours early for a good spot. So when we got there shortly before showtime Thursday night, we took our spots near the back of the crowd. The folks up front, having arrived hours earlier, are clearly more hardcore fans than myself, and have rightfully earned their "prime" spots up front.

so...the people i was with, who flew in from england to go to the oakland, coachella, chicago, and NYC shows, and have seen NO dozens and dozens of times each, are not hardcore fans i suppose? interesting theory.

You wouldn't let it lie, would you Christy! :thumb:

Go Gunners! :laugh: :skeptic:

hell, no! i will never silently back away from a recently deceased equine, al.

hope you had a safe trip home. how was flashdancers, by the way? ;)

up the arse!

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Bertel Ólafsson wrote: Excellent show. Wonderful to meet similar minded people at TGI´s

Hi Bertel,

Nice meeting you at TGIF ;)

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Jason Bell wrote: That old couple up in the balcony is Dennis and Lois, maybe the biggest and most dedicated fans of britpop and punk ever. They were even immortalized in song by the Happy Mondays.

Check out this NPR article about the couple.

Yes I saw them there! I didn't know anything about them, or that that's what the Mondays track is about! Thanks for the article!:thumb:

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Bertel Ólafsson wrote: Excellent show. Wonderful to meet similar minded people at TGI´s

I feel better flying from Canada when I knew you came from ICELAND to see them ;)

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I am finally getting around to posting my comments about the show- All I can say it that is was incredible and it lived up and beyond my expectations!

One week before the show- we had a family emergency and I almost thought I wasn't going to be able to go. Things were pretty touch and go, but luckally, everything worked out and I was able to go.

The set list was incredible and I was up against the barricade right in front on the left side. Peter Hook kept coming around to our side and he smirked at us. The fog machine was a little annoying, but I got used to it.

Temptation was definitley the high point of the show for me and Transmission and the sing-a-long of Love Will Tear Us Apart.

I really hope New Order comes around again. I was speechless after the show. They really helped me get through this difficult time in my life-

I know this has nothing to do with the subject of this post, but does anyone remember the name of the DVD compilation that was just released that had New Order and various other bands such as The Wake on it? I think it was called "Umbrellas...." or something like that. Also where can I find it?

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I know this has nothing to do with the subject of this post, but does anyone remember the name of the DVD compilation that was just released that had New Order and various other bands such as The Wake on it? I think it was called "Umbrellas...." or something like that. Also where can I find it?

Umbrellas In The Sun.

Released on LTM, think the site is www.ltm.com but a google on "LTM" will give it you.

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Johnny Giles wrote:

wrote:

I know this has nothing to do with the subject of this post, but does anyone remember the name of the DVD compilation that was just released that had New Order and various other bands such as The Wake on it? I think it was called "Umbrellas...." or something like that. Also where can I find it?

Umbrellas In The Sun.

Released on LTM, think the site is www.ltm.com but a google on "LTM" will give it you.

LTM's website.

Umbrellas in the Sun tracklisting.

Umbrellas sleevenote :thumb:

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