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New Order live @ Hammerstein Ballroom - NYC (USA) - 2005.05.05

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Here is the setlist:

Love Vigilantes Crystal Regret Hey Now What You Doing Krafty Transmission True Faith Run Wild Jetstream (with Ana Matronic) Waiting for the Sirens' Call Bizarre Love Triangle Love Will Tear Us Apart Temptation

She's Lost Control Atmosphere Blue Monday

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Great meeting those of you I met tonight. Great show!

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Awesome Awesome show

That break in the set list was during a five minute "intermission". Don't every recall them doing that before.

(remember when they didn't even do encores???)

Didn't check here in time to see about the gathering at TGIF. Darn.

Anyway good/bad news. According to Stephen Morris, NO tried to get another consective date in NYC, but it didn't work out. Apparently, they really had no idea that the Hammerstein was that small and that it would sell out that fast.

The Good news is that the band does seem interested (I wouldn't say eager, but interested) in coming back soonish, now "...that we are playing together again." said Stephen Morris.

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Conduct wrote: Here is the setlist:

Love Vigilantes Crystal Regret Hey Now What You Doing Krafty Transmission True Faith Run Wild Jetstream (with Ana Matronic) Waiting for the Sirens' Call Bizarre Love Triangle Love Will Tear Us Apart Temptation

She's Lost Control Atmosphere Blue Monday

Hey everyone,

I just got back home to Philadelphia and I have to say "WOW!" The show was ranks up there as one of the top 3 live concerts I've ever been to, and that's saying something, since I usually go to see bands (from smaller indie acts to larger theater-sized acts) play live at least once a month. I was up front, about 5-6 layers of bodies back from the barricade, so basically I was about 10 feet away from Hooky. It was surreal being that close to the band.

Conduct's set list is correct, and although I was hoping for a unique surprise on the set list for this show, I am not dissapointed in the least. I still wish they would have played Ceremony though.

The boys were having tons of fun on stage and you could see it in their faces and with their between-song banter. Barney let the jokes fly at every possible moment, and even regaled us with a false but entertaining story about how his foot was injured when rescuing a friend from a shark attack while surfing in L.A. :laugh: I noticed a large video camera on a crane taping the whole performance, along with a couple of camera-people on the floor between the barricade and the stage filming as well. Could a new live DVD possibly come out of this show? That would be an exciting prospect.

Ana Matronic was a great surprise during "Jetstream," and although it's one of my least favorite songs off WFTSC, seeing it live with Ana was lots of fun.

I would say the only thing bad about this show was the opening band Dragonette. How in God's name did such a horrible band get chosen to open for NO? I honestly hope it was a joke the boys cooked up to find the worst possible band to open for them, just for laughs. In any case, once NO hit the stage at 9:00 pm sharp, just about all memory of the opener was obliterated.

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Lynn Koehler wrote:

That break in the set list was during a five minute "intermission". Don't every recall them doing that before.

Similar break at MEN arena in 98 - Barney said something about nipping off for a sandwich.

Sounds like a great gig last night - more reviews please! Hope it was filmed for release SOON!!!

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I'll write my review tomorrow, I think - I'm too tired to write it right now! However, I can say that is was absolutely fantastic! :thumb: :clap:

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BIGINOIL wrote:

Lynn Koehler wrote:

That break in the set list was during a five minute "intermission". Don't every recall them doing that before.

Similar break at MEN arena in 98 - Barney said something about nipping off for a sandwich.

Sounds like a great gig last night - more reviews please! Hope it was filmed for release SOON!!!

I don't remeber a break at the MEN show...When was it?

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We generally know them as the gap between the last song in the set and the encore!

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:laugh:

So not any more reviews yet? I would have thought people would have jumped on their computers after this one. Ah well...

Hey, what am I doing up at the time usually reserved for Europeans to post ? :nuts:

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I typed out my thoughts last night then submitted it and it came out as blank box. Grrrrrrr I was mad.

Anyway, my ears are ringing this morning. Haven't felt that in years and years after a concert. They were LOUD.

This was my first NO show. I'm floored. Just wonderful.

I've been asking myself for all these years why I like JD/NO so much. Such a unique, fragile, imperfect band...how do they do it? why does it work? If they have been pulling the wool over my eyes for 20 years, then I am one grateful fool! :D

Hightlights for me were:

Waiting For The Sirens Call: such a melodic beautiful song with Hooky's sweeping bass line, and Barney's vocal delivery swirling around each other. Really worked super well live. Brilliant. A gem.

Transmission: Just seeing 3/4 of JD was very exciting for me. I was really caught up in the moment, jumping, lip synnching the vocals, rocking and rolling. I put both fists in the air and silently screamed to the heavaens on, "and we could daaaAAAAAANNNCE!!". It's easy to criticize Barney on the vocals for the JD tunes, but this one is the most satisfying of the three they are doing if you ask me. Atmosphere is second. Gorgeous bolts of LOUDNESS on the chimed musical chorus. Glorious. Stephen on SLC was awesome too. What a machine after all these years. he still looks like a kid behind the kit too! During the JD tunes I was just marveling a far how these boys came from the days of Hooky in a white shirt and skinny tie.

Temptation: I waited 20+ years to hear this song live. What a payoff. The synth mix was excellent, the guitar playing spot on. The drum roll on the verses..all there..chills down the spine. Especially on Barney's last sighing "oh you've got greeeYYYYY eyes"- just the way I like it. It went on and on and I never wanted it to end.

Was very funny seeing hard rocker types dancing to Blue Monday. They probably came alone and won't be talking about that to their friends. Hey, it's irresistable, I submitted myself and danced like a weasel in heat with a big goofy smile on my face. More so to Temptation, BLT, and True Faith.

Of course the rockers were great too. Love Vig's, Regret, Crystal, all very good. I especially got into Regret. What a great single.

It was imperfect perfection. All I could ever ask for in a NO show. A dream come true.

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Hi all:

Long time lurker first time poster....

So last night was simply great. I have seen New Order twice before. Once was way back right after Substance came out with Echo and the Bunnymen at Jones Beach. We were in the first row and it was g rest show! Just fantastic.

I saw tehm again at the meadowlands with PIL and the Sugarcubes. I bthink this was around the time of technique...and it was not nearly as good. NO looked kind of bored and the show was a little lackluster. Althoguh I love NO they weren't ON that night, and PIL stole the show....

LAst night was much closer to that Jones Beach show! Killer setlist, and unlike the previous poster from wher eI was the sound mix was great. Temptation was a definate highlight. I also thought NO did fine with the Joy Division stuff. I mean its not going to sound exactly the same, but it was a fitting tribute.

The new material sounded great, adn they all looked enthusiastic.

Prior to the show my wife and I were walking around and out of the coner of me eye I thought I saw Bernard walk past. Sure enough when they came on he was wearing what we saw on the person who past us in the street. DOh1 I should have said Hi!

Anyway I won my tickets lst night from K ROck. My wife and I have a 3 month old at home so Im not sure if I would have been there or not otherwise. Thank goodness I won those ticckets! Great night and a good chance for the wife and I to recharge our batterise so to speak! Thanks NO!

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First time poster here as well.

I've been a big fan of NO since 1987 during high school. This was my first NO concert, and although I can't stand Hammerstein Ballroom as a concert venue, the show was so awesome! The lighting was awesome but the sound system left a lot to be desired (I was on the mainfloor). I do agree with Will's post up above, particularly in regards to the new version of LWTUA. I also actually thought that Dragonette was pretty good! They were like Missing Person meets Blondie meets The Killers.:music: We can't expect the openning act to always sound exactly like the main band, just like Elkland who openned up for Erasure at Irving Plaza here in NYC recently.

Anyhow the setlist was wicked! I'm definitely going to catch any future NO tours in NYC after lastnite (I've caught 1 show of every Depeche Mode tour in NY since '88). I also loved the energy and humor of the band onstage.

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"The lighting was awesome but the sound system left a lot to be desired (I was on the mainfloor)."

That's an understatement!

The band provided performed a great set, a very spirited performance - too bad the sound was marred by a terrible mix.

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Bit of a recurring theme here at all the US shows (and indeed just about all the 2002 gigs across the world as well) - desperate sound that ruins the spirit they put into the performance. Where's the problem lie? Poor venue selection? Ineffective soundchecking or in-gig board management? Insufficient PA power to carry it all off? All three?

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hmmm....

My wife and I were on the floor in the middle but maybe a little more towards the back, not too far away from teh sound board....

it sounded pretty good where we were. The only thing I did notice were a couple of places where for a few seconds guitar or vocals would get a ittle louder than the rest, but overall Ive ehard much worse mixes at some of the many club shoes Ive been to..strange....

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"This is the most fucking insane front row I've ever seen!" - Peter Hook after the freak in the front row is yelling/screaming at the top of his lungs.

That freak.... :D

I'm uploading my pictures now. I took some video, but its so ridiculously distorted. BTW, this show will be out on DVD.

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I was pretty sure he said it was the most ugly front row--which got a laugh out of me...

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MARCX wrote: I was pretty sure he said it was the most ugly front row--which got a laugh out of me...

Yes, I'm 90% positive he said UGLY. HAHaaa! FYI I was in the middle-right side:abovelol:

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HAHAHHAHAH!! Are you guys sure!? Cause right after that he said I feel right at home. Everyone around us was confirming insane also. LMAO!!

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The show was brilliant. I was lucky enough to be at the front with the other insane/ugly fans yelling at Hooky. I couldn't believe my luck when he passed me one of his picks (I can't remember what song they had finished playing). The sound was terrible up front, but most of the people around me didn't care. Hearing Love Vigilantes was definitely one of the highlights for me. My buddies and I used to jam that all the time back in college. Only carp event of the evening was having to drive back to DC after the show. Kudos to Flavio for coming all the way from Ecuador!

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From an "old school" New Order/JD fan, let me tell you cynics out there that last night's NYC concert was the best of the 7 I've seen them do.

I saw them "in the good old days" of 1983-89 and the Hammerstein show topped those.

16 songs in all. Played nearly 90 minutes. 4 JD songs. The "upside".

The downside for me was the crap vocal mix for Barney. Whenever Peter sang he came through better than Barney.

And I could do without Run Wild and Hey Now.

But if you had told me a month ago they would play Regret, Love Vigilantes, BLT, True Faith, Temptation, Blue Monday. Krafty. WFTSC, and for JD songs, I would say that would be fantastic.

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Hooky definitely called you front-row types UGLY. :laugh:

Great fucking show.

Not only was Ana Mantronic great, but did anyone else notice that she then went back to a platform to the side of the stage and then danced with the Scissor Sisters for the rest of the show?! (Actually I can't 100% confirm this since I couldn't pick the SciSis out of a lineup, but at least 6 people confirmed it around us.)

And holding court in the box seat closest to the stage was Carlos D of Interpol. He pretty much sat there with his hands folded in his lap the entire set. Strange. :nuts: But I guess with an entire section around me sort of staring at him off and on as if he were the show, what can you do?

Did I miss anyone mentioning the cameras and what they were filming for? (sorry if I missed that if you did) The jib camera kept smacking me and the people around us in the head. Not only was the soundboard operator a novice, but so was the camera guy, clearly. But I guess that means that my hands were filmed at points. :clap:

Dragonette were pure garbage. You can do synth pop without 80s costumes. But when you do both BADLY (hello Miami Vice!), it's time to get a dayjob.

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usually the venue has far better sound than last night, i wasnt sure if it was just from being up front or not. have seen many bands there & hammer can def. do better than that.

brilliant show tho- they were all in rare form! have been waiting to see them again since 1989.

"i used to think that the day would never come" :love2:

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Forgot to mention that Barney blamed his lack of dancing skillz on a shark bite while surfing. :laugh:

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OK I've got to get my 2 sense in here. I've seen every NO tour in NYC since the Ukranian National Home 11/81. Last night's gig was exceptional despite piss poor sound (we were about 2/3 of the way back in the middle) on the vocals, drums and bass- doesn't leave much. It did improve slightly throughout. Disagree with previous post about JD tunes being "popized". Transmission absolutely rocked. But what was the deal with the crowd? I couldn't see the front but where we were nobody was dancing except for the geezers like me. I remember when they opened the Meadowlands show with Regret and 18,000 people simultaneously started jumping. All the "kids" at this show seemed interested in is playing with their fuckin cell phones or pda's - losers...We couldn't hear Barney's dialog except for part of the shark tale. Could someone post his comments if possible?

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This was my 6th NO gig, although the first since '86. But it was similar to previous gigs (and perhaps not unlike NO's career) in that the performance could not live up to all the pre-show hype. We all love and treasure JD/NO's recorded ouvre, but can the live shows ever live up to such expectations? As perfect as NO are, the live shows often seem a bit... loose. Not that there's any person(s) to blame; Barney himself has talked about the need for the band to rehearse more. So we have a group of brilliant musicians who create such beauty in the studio, and then try to get it together to share the music in a live setting. It doesn't always work, but I'd still pay to be in the same room with them.

When it does work, it's transcendent. Just the bass line to "She's Lost Control" is a thing of resonant glory. And "Temptation" might be the classic New Order song, rising and spiralling like a dream dissipating in the pre-dawn light. It was just as precious last night as it was the first time I heard it at the Ukranian National Home in late 1981.

The new New Order (post Get Ready) is a riff-machine. A good riff-machine, unique to NO, but just a riff-machine. In a live context, those riffs were catchy, and hearing the Get Ready material (in my case, for the first time ever) the songs fit nicely in the set in a toe-tapping, rocking kind of way. But if NO's material consisted only of the last two CD's, I don't think I'd be a big fan.

It's the heritage that keeps us coming back for more, and wanting more than perhaps they can deliver. But they do try to appease -- some Joy Division material is put forward. But I agree with what a previous poster alluded to -- they can no longer play the JD stuff. I would love to hear "Shadowplay", but one gets the impression that without the necessary rehearsal time, the band just can't pull the JD chestnuts out of their bag. Two of the songs still work -- "Transmission" and "SLC", and there are moments in both songs when Stephen Morris' drumming breaks free, a dynamic industrial-strength explosion that reminds us of what attracted us to JD all those years ago.

"LWTUA" is of course a classic, but a difficult song for Barney to sing and it seems to have become nothing more than an anthemic crowd-pleaser. And "Atmosphere", shorn of it's distinctive synth riff, might only be an average JD piece.

But I will always love NO, in part because, like all of us, they are (pardon the cliche) survivors. Out of something dark and chromatic, they fashioned beauty and color. They embraced dancing, and joy, and silliness. This was important for them, and for us, in our maturation process. Now they seem to be content in middle-age, trotting out the riff-machine, and hitting the floorboards when they feel like it. More power to them.

The sad thing for me is that this is probably the last time I will see the band. Fitting then that the final song (in the regular set) last night was "Temptation", just as it closed the set when I first saw them 24 years ago. "Oh, it's the last time" will never sound more wonderful than it did yesterday evening.

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Regarding the sound quality at hammerstein - whilst far from perfect, as a seasoned NO gig go-er this really was not that bad. I thought Temptation sounded really good for example. It must be a nightmare mixing electronics with live drums, guitars etc. and this has plagued NO gigs from day one.

We were in the 2nd row on the 2nd tier, so I think (at least my wife tells me - shes seen kraftwerk & the cure there) the sound is far better up there than on the floor. The only think that really grated soundwise was barneys yelps he seems so fond of.

This was the most fun I ever seen NO having on stage. Lots of jokes (they played the 'cant get you out of my head sample' at the start of Blue Monday -dead funny) and hooky really hammed it up for the audience. I thought it was really touching the amount of JD covers they did considering the closeness to the 25th anniversary of Ians death. Agreed, barney could never do the JD lyrics complete justice, but really I still found the songs very emotional.

Finally as a sissor sisters fan, it was great to see Ana Matronic on stage, and also the rest of the band dancing away at the back of the stage on some kind of podium for the bulk of the show. Any one who doesnt like the scissor sisters - get with the program - NO obviously loves them and they have fine music taste!

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my voice is gone and my feet are sore from a great evening spent up by hooky with al, gary and johnny giles, among others (all sound lads!). great show, although the audience were a bit sullen.

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Its great to hear that everyone has enjoyed the gigs so far. Cant wait for Jarvos and JGs stories from stateside.

One thing that does surprise me is the lack of Ceremony and where has the rumoured EGG gone to ??

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Man, man, man, what a great fucking show! Christ! Some additional bits about the night:

The band came in while some spaghetti western (Fistful of Dollars?) music played. Kinda funny.

Regret -- it sounded different than any other version I know -- or was it because the sound was messed up?

After playing Krafty, Hooky: "I feel totally at home." Crowd goes wild!

Was it just me, or did it seem like Hooky didn't want to leave the stage? I absolutely loved how he ended Blue Monday and the concert -- playing as he slowly left the stage, and then the final "Ah!" gesture, his playing hand raised high in the air. It was so totally beautiful.

Unlike most of you, I was on the first mezzanine. After Dragonette finished, a guy (a bloke, I should say, as he was English) was looking for a seat and luckily there was an empty one right beside me. It turns out that he works for Musicchoice.com, and they were one of the two interviews NO did in NYC (the other being K-ROCK). The interview was conducted at Hammerstein earlier int he day, and for it, NO recorded some soundtracks including Atmosphere. This bloke was there (not as a part of the interview team, but the folks at his company knew what a huge fan he was)! He said it was fantastic and he couldn't believe his luck. He got to shake their hands at the end, the lucky bastard!

So check out musicchoice.com in a month or so -- he said the interview will be available via broadband and also through cable (Time Warner, Comcast, etc.).

This guy also confirmed two things:

  1. There will be an album next year. Cunningham is contributing lots. So maybe we'll see them again in 2006. Unbelievable.

  2. There will be a DVD of this concert coming out in a little while. That's why there were all those cameras out there.

As far as the concert itself is concerned:

  1. I wish Hooky sang the JD songs. He's got a booming voice, and I think he could do those songs more justice. I know the mixing was poor, but let's face it -- Barney's voice has always been a studio voice. I love it, but for live concerts, it leaves something to be desired.

  2. They ran out of t-shirts! Bastards! I guess I should've gone there earlier. Oh well. I'll get a neworderonline.com shirt instead. ;)

  3. Hearing Temptation, Love Vigilantes, and True Faith was more than I could have hoped for. But of course (and I know you feel the same, Kyle!), if they'd played Love less, I could've absolutely died happy right there last night.

  4. Thanks to the nicest, coolest people I met at TGIF yesterday -- Spotnick, Frank, Tracy, Kyle, Jethro. There's more of you, but I can't remember your names! I still can't quite reconcile having met so many people who know and love NO so much.

It was just a completely memorable day in every possible way. Thank you, neworderonline. Thank you, New Order. Thank you, Joy Division. And thank you, Ian.

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