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11 Nov, Belo Horizonte, Mineirao Stadium 40,000 cap, Radio festival
13 Nov, Sao Paolo, Via Funchal 6060 cap, New Order solo show
14 Nov, Sao Paolo, Via Funchal 6060 cap, New Order solo show
15 Nov, Primal Scream at the music hall, Aberdeen 900 Cap
16 Nov, Rio de Janeiro, Armazem 9000 cap, New Order solo show
18 Nov, Buenos Aires, Club Ciudad Personal festival
* One of these is a Viking in-joke. See if you can spot it?!
El Jarvo wrote:
15 Nov, Primal Scream at the music hall, Aberdeen 900 Cap
Well damn... that intensifies the itinerary somewhat, doesn't it?
Do let us know when tickets for Rio and BA go on sale. I want to grab mine as soon as they do.
Stadium gig in Argentina? Be rude not to.
Going to badger mummy and daddy this weekend, what with it being my birthday in 2 1/2 weeks. £1500 should cover all flights and accomodation. Beer I can pay for myself.
Of course, whether I get the money is another question. And as for the time off work...
Still, if you dont ask!
i'm pretty sure i'm making this trip since Underworld are also playing Sao Paulo and Rio the exact same week as New Order!
Underworld in Sao Paulo on the 14th and Rio on the 18th. see you there!
Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: Underworld in Sao Paulo on the 14th and Rio on the 18th. see you there!
Whoah! New Order and Underworld are both on the same day?! The 14th?
Uncle Liam wrote: What in gods name is a personal festival?
It's like a Personal Jesus.
But in Festival form. Natch.
Also, what's a Radio Festival?!
Do we all have to bring Wirelesses?!
Then again, I didn't take a radio to the Wireless Festival. 
Uncle Liam wrote: Stadium gig in Argentina? Be rude not to.
Going to badger mummy and daddy this weekend, what with it being my birthday in 2 1/2 weeks. £1500 should cover all flights and accomodation. Beer I can pay for myself.
Of course, whether I get the money is another question. And as for the time off work...
Still, if you dont ask!
how much do you owe mummy and daddy these days?
remind us again.
Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: Underworld in Sao Paulo on the 14th and Rio on the 18th. see you there!
Whoah! New Order and Underworld are both on the same day?! The 14th?
It's called Personal Festival because the sponsor is a cellphone company called... Personal. It's not that the festival is personalized or anything 
El Jarvo wrote:
Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: Underworld in Sao Paulo on the 14th and Rio on the 18th. see you there!
Whoah! New Order and Underworld are both on the same day?! The 14th?
The Underworld gig on the 14th is not exactly in São Paulo, it's in São Sebastião, a city on the coast. São Paulo state, but not São Paulo city.
yes, Alan, check http://www.dirty.org/forums for info on the UW dates. I will probably see Underworld on the 14th in Sao Paulo, New Order on the 16th in Rio and UW again on the 18th in Rio.
Uncle Liam wrote: I know my dad owes me £100!
tip him upside down then when he gets back from the alehouse tonight.
have a good weekend you lot.
fingers crossed for Sunday's cricket.
Uncle Liam wrote: Going to badger mummy and daddy this weekend, what with it being my birthday in 2 1/2 weeks. £1500 should cover all flights and accomodation. Beer I can pay for myself.
Are you parents looking to adopt? I'm very well behaved 
Gabo wrote: It's called Personal Festival because the sponsor is a cellphone company called... Personal. It's not that the festival is personalized or anything
Damn. I thought it was a festival just for ME.
Mrs Milky wrote:
Uncle Liam wrote: Going to badger mummy and daddy this weekend, what with it being my birthday in 2 1/2 weeks. £1500 should cover all flights and accomodation. Beer I can pay for myself.
Are you parents looking to adopt? I'm very well behaved
Better behaved than Liam maybe, but that's not saying much 
Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: yes, Alan, check http://www.dirty.org/forums for info on the UW dates. I will probably see Underworld on the 14th in Sao Paulo, New Order on the 16th in Rio and UW again on the 18th in Rio.
Hey Brian,
will be doing at least the Sao Paolo gigs so be good to catch up with you again mate 
Now THIS is 'ardcore - JG is planning to fly on from Buenos Aires to ... Brisbane! ... for the Ashes!!
El Jarvo wrote: Now THIS is 'ardcore - JG is planning to fly on from Buenos Aires to ... Brisbane! ... for the Ashes!!
To see the Aussies reclaim them? Daft get.....maybe Kasabian are in town too? 
Shug wrote: maybe Kasabian are in town too?
Could be, you never know! They're playing at Brixton on 15th August - tickets went on sale today, but already sold out! 
El Jarvo wrote: Assume it's okay to post all these now?!
11 Nov, Belo Horizonte, Mineirao Stadium 40,000 cap, Radio festival
13 Nov, Sao Paolo, Via Funchal 6060 cap, New Order solo show
14 Nov, Sao Paolo, Via Funchal 6060 cap, New Order solo show
15 Nov, Primal Scream at the music hall, Aberdeen 900 Cap
16 Nov, Rio de Janeiro, Armazem 9000 cap, New Order solo show
18 Nov, Buenos Aires, Club Ciudad Personal festival
* One of these is a Viking in-joke. See if you can spot it?!
I see the venue of Rio show changed from Fundição Progresso to so-called Armazem. I hope it's the "Armazem 5", a very nice place next to Rio seaport. That's where Kraftwerk played in 2004.
And what about the new Belo Horizonte date??? Where will I get money to do all these????????
El Jarvo wrote: Now THIS is 'ardcore - JG is planning to fly on from Buenos Aires to ... Brisbane! ... for the Ashes!!
The big wimp.
Brazil, Argentina, back home for Liverpool vs Pompy on a freezing Wednesday evening, then out for the Ashes. THAT'S hardcore
Dave Legge wrote: Belo Horizonte, Mineirao Stadium
Cool
Stadiums are cool for footy matches, not concerts. The bigger the stadium, the worse the gig.
But I'm going anyway.
They're playing Belo Horizonte now? :dead: Next thing you know they'll be playing Anapolis and Barretos.... 
Dave Legge wrote:
El Jarvo wrote: Now THIS is 'ardcore - JG is planning to fly on from Buenos Aires to ... Brisbane! ... for the Ashes!!
The big wimp.
Brazil, Argentina, back home for Liverpool vs Pompy on a freezing Wednesday evening, then out for the Ashes. THAT'S hardcore
Get all yer flight tickets first. THEN, you can give it large, cocknose. New Order in Europe is easy. This is a big boys tour
You do realise that tube pass won't get accepted at Terminal 4, Heathrow ?
For those who want underworld too, they are playing in BA on nov 11th, at Creamfields Buenos Aires, they are the only confirmed act by now...so it is a week before NO at the ^Personal Fest...so it is a good chance to spend a great week in BA... see you all. leo.
Johnny Giles wrote:
Dave Legge wrote:
El Jarvo wrote: Now THIS is 'ardcore - JG is planning to fly on from Buenos Aires to ... Brisbane! ... for the Ashes!!
The big wimp.
Brazil, Argentina, back home for Liverpool vs Pompy on a freezing Wednesday evening, then out for the Ashes. THAT'S hardcore
This is a big boys tour
OLD BOYS tour more like 
Mrs Milky wrote: Oh no...... Milky has started looking at Brazillian railway maps..
Don't bother. Been doing some reading up on it myself. Distance travel in Brazil is by plane or bus. The only passenger trains to speak of are the metros in Rio and SP.
Mr disco 99 wrote:
Mrs Milky wrote: Oh no...... Milky has started looking at Brazillian railway maps..
Don't bother. Been doing some reading up on it myself. Distance travel in Brazil is by plane or bus. The only passenger trains to speak of are the metros in Rio and SP.
:) who said anything about distance travel...?? Milky is a train nut... Luckily for me you are correct.... no trains in Brazil.
Unfortunately, Argentina has a fantastically noisy and dirty local train network.... to a train nut on holiday this is a little slice of heaven...
Ah, a railfan. Good luck there. I'd stick to the asphalt on this trip. ;)
Still debating on whether or not to rent a car. Not sure how comfy I am about driving in a foreign country.
By the way... am I the only North American signing up for this excursion?
Tickets information for Sao Paulo: There are no more stalls or VIP area tickets. Standing tickets should be sold out soon.
If you are planning to attend the Sao Paulo gigs buy your tickets as soon as possible!
One Brain wrote: Tickets information for Sao Paulo: There are no more stalls or VIP area tickets. Standing tickets should be sold out soon.
If you are planning to attend the Sao Paulo gigs buy your tickets as soon as possible!
Totally unrelated here sorry, but One Brain - what is the name of that site where your avatar is from - been blagging my head for days now searching for it!
Im Gonna be in Chile around this time as part of my job. May be able to wangle the Argentina gig but i think the Brazil dates are out of the question. :)
Can't believe Al and Johnny Giles almost had me up against the wall - metaphorically speaking, in their determination to convince me to do this!
Mark's hard words hit home - 'Put aside that Yorkshire thift attitude'
Hmmm, not sure though!
Ness Order wrote: Can't believe Al and Johnny Giles almost had me up against the wall
You thought all your Christmases had come at once!
Ness Order wrote: Can't believe Al and Johnny Giles almost had me up against the wall - metaphorically speaking, in their determination to convince me to do this!
Mark's hard words hit home - 'Put aside that Yorkshire thift attitude'
Hmmm, not sure though!
So does that mean that you are gonna go???
Go on... you know you want to....
Just found out I'll need to apply for a visa in order to get into Brazil. The rules are almost certainly different depending on what country's passport you have. Be sure to investigate this if you plan on going.
US passport holders need to apply for a visa at the consulate and submit a $100 fee, plus $10 processing if done by mail.
Canadian passport holders need to go through a similar procedure, but the rates are lower.
I'm pretty sure UK and most European passport holders can enter Brazil without a visa, but don't quote me on that.
The website for the Brazilian consulate in your jurisdiction has all the info you'll need, including forms to fill and where to send them. Here's mine...
Mr disco 99 wrote:
I'm pretty sure UK and most European passport holders can enter Brazil without a visa, but don't quote me on that.
You're right. EU-Citizens don't need a visa for Brazil or Argentina.
Mr disco 99 wrote: Just found out I'll need to apply for a visa in order to get into Brazil. The rules are almost certainly different depending on what country's passport you have. Be sure to investigate this if you plan on going.
US passport holders need to apply for a visa at the consulate and submit a $100 fee, plus $10 processing if done by mail.
Canadian passport holders need to go through a similar procedure, but the rates are lower.
I'm pretty sure UK and most European passport holders can enter Brazil without a visa, but don't quote me on that.
The website for the Brazilian consulate in your jurisdiction has all the info you'll need, including forms to fill and where to send them. Here's mine...
I know it won't help you any, but just so you know: Brazil requires visas only from nationals whose countries require visas from Brazilians, i.e. US and Canada. Other nationals shouldn't have any problems, Argentinians, Chileans, Uruguayans and Paraguayans don't even need their passports, just any id card they can provide. 
Can I just state for the record that I will definately not being going. Thank you.
As I told J GILES on Saturday night "You're going to Brazil?? I can't get clearance for fucking Bournemouth!"
:bag:
Just bought my plane tickets from Delta, so I definitely will be going. :)
Leave ATL on the 10th, arrive Rio morning of the 11th.
Leave BA on the 20th, arrive ATL morning of the 21st.
$1295 for those. :( But after that I'll have enough SkyMiles for a ticket to go pretty much anywhere I want. :)
I'm missing the Belo Horizonte gig (don't like stadiums) so I can do some sightseeing in Rio that weekend. Then I'll head to SP for the Via Funchal gigs.
Now I need to figure out the Rio to BA flight... and transport between Rio and SP Brazil (flights or buses).
Then apply for my visa.
Then hotels.
Then figure out where the rest of you are so I don't miss the party.
That's in, I'm in.
Flying with Air France, get into Sao Paolo on Thursday 9th.
Will saunter over to Belo Horizonte on Friday with the Milkys.
Fly back from Buenos Aires on Monday 20th.
Oh well, the saunter over to Belo Horizonte wasn't quite the relaxed saunter I'd hoped for cos the flight I wanted had gone and we've now got to go from a different aerporto instead.
One major pain in the arse is that neither Tam, nor Gol, actually take credit cards from International customers!
It's Amex only!
Which is a right pain. 
But if you're gonna use international carriers expect them to triple the price! Our 30quid flight with Gol to Belo Horizonte is 85quid booking it UKside. Again,
El Jarvo wrote: Oh well, the saunter over to Belo Horizonte wasn't quite the relaxed saunter I'd hoped for cos the flight I wanted had gone and we've now got to go from a different aerporto instead.
One major pain in the arse is that neither Tam, nor Gol, actually take credit cards from International customers!
It's Amex only!
Which is a right pain.
But if you're gonna use international carriers expect them to triple the price! Our 30quid flight with Gol to Belo Horizonte is 85quid booking it UKside. Again,
This is exactly why I ended up going with Aerolineas Argentinas for the Rio->BA flight. They made it easy by taking my reservation on the website and then having me call a toll free number (in the US) to give them my Visa card info. There's likely a toll free number for the UK as well so you could do the same. Also their rates were competitive and they offered a nonstop flight which TAM and GOL did not.
For travel inside Brazil I'm thinking I'll just book on the spot or take a bus. I'm not going to BH so it'll just be a couple of hops between RJ and SP.
EDIT: Just looked it up for you... £193.10 for the same flight I'm on... Nov 17 12:10-15:25, nonstop GIG to EZE. Toll free number is on the UK front page. Dunno, you might get a better deal elsewhere but that's still pretty good.
Johnny Giles wrote:
Dave Legge wrote:
El Jarvo wrote: Now THIS is 'ardcore - JG is planning to fly on from Buenos Aires to ... Brisbane! ... for the Ashes!!
The big wimp.
Brazil, Argentina, back home for Liverpool vs Pompy on a freezing Wednesday evening, then out for the Ashes. THAT'S hardcore
Get all yer flight tickets first. THEN, you can give it large, cocknose. New Order in Europe is easy. This is a big boys tour
You do realise that tube pass won't get accepted at Terminal 4, Heathrow ?
Cocknose is here giving it LARGE 
Fri 10th Nov Heathrow to Sao Paulo via Munich with Lufthansa.
Mon 20th Nov Buenos Aires to London City via Frankfurt with Lufthansa.
Sat 25th Nov Liverpool v Man City at Anfield. Wed 29th Nov Liverpool v Pompy at Anfield.
Sat 9th Dec Heathrow to Melbourne via Dubai with Emirates.
Tue 26th Dec Aussies v England at MCG.
Sun 14th Dec Melbourne to Gatwick via Dubai with Emirates.
HARDCORE
Dave Legge wrote: Sat 25th Nov Liverpool v Man City at Anfield. Wed 29th Nov Liverpool v Pompy at Anfield.
[cough] Dave Legge is from Luton [/cough]
El Jarvo wrote:
Dave Legge wrote: Sat 25th Nov Liverpool v Man City at Anfield. Wed 29th Nov Liverpool v Pompy at Anfield.
[cough] Dave Legge is from Luton [/cough]
And I thought he was alright. A bit unfit mind..
El Jarvo wrote:
Dave Legge wrote: Sat 25th Nov Liverpool v Man City at Anfield. Wed 29th Nov Liverpool v Pompy at Anfield.
[cough] Dave Legge is from Luton [/cough]
Then why does he wear a "London Order" badge?????
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
Dave Legge wrote: Sat 25th Nov Liverpool v Man City at Anfield. Wed 29th Nov Liverpool v Pompy at Anfield.
[cough] Dave Legge is from Luton [/cough]
Then why does he wear a "London Order" badge?????
They're coming next.
Er, all 2 of them.
(The Good Doctor) Martin Fradley wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
Dave Legge wrote: Sat 25th Nov Liverpool v Man City at Anfield. Wed 29th Nov Liverpool v Pompy at Anfield.
[cough] Dave Legge is from Luton [/cough]
Then why does he wear a "London Order" badge?????
Cos I was born there and work there.
I just happen to live in Luton.
Ancestors are from Bootle.
But, whatever, you're all just nit-picking the minor details cos you're all jealous
El Jarvo wrote:
They're coming next.
Er, all 2 of them.
Luton Order badges ??
Get a hundred done - I'll sell the other 98 down the Purley Market
El Jarvo wrote: Also, what's a Radio Festival?!
It's Pop Rock Brasil, a festival organized by a local radio station. I think that Andy Robinson forgot the name of the festival and simply said "radio festival". The festival has a website at http://www.poprockbrasil.com.br
By the way, some listeners of that radio station are complaining about the presence of New Order in the festival. Apparently, the kids want something more rock-oriented, like Linkin Park, Foo Fighters or whatever. Looking on the net, I read some comments like "New Order are crap", "Never heard of them" and "They wouldn't fill a venue of 300 capacity".
Lovely city. The Vikings probably won't be too popular over there.
One Brain wrote:
El Jarvo wrote: Also, what's a Radio Festival?!
It's Pop Rock Brasil, a festival organized by a local radio station. I think that Andy Robinson forgot the name of the festival and simply said "radio festival". The festival has a website at http://www.poprockbrasil.com.br
By the way, some listeners of that radio station are complaining about the presence of New Order in the festival. Apparently, the kids want something more rock-oriented, like Linkin Park, Foo Fighters or whatever. Looking on the net, I read some comments like "New Order are crap", "Never heard of them" and "They wouldn't fill a venue of 300 capacity".
Lovely city. The Vikings probably won't be too popular over there.
Well, now I don't feel so bad about leaving that one out of my itinerary.
This is still a a possibility for us.
I am investigating flights this week.
May have to take the light weight option and just go to Rio.
dear all, I fly regularly to argie as MRS Gmex is a loevly argie lady... but sadly cannot when the mighty new order are playing BASTARDS!!!
anyway..... For cheap flights try journeylatinamerica.co.uk and drink some quilmes and eat some empanadas for me,
If anybody wants hotel tips or advice on how to get to footy there let me know
davidhuxley@hotmail.com
If I am able to scoot over to Brazil, say arriving in Sao Paulo on the sunday morning is there enough to do/see to keep Mrs Manic Ocupied eg shopping, Historical stuff, general culteral bollocks in Sao Paul until after the 2nd New Order gig?
That would mean all day Sunday,Monday & Tuesday, leaving for Rio on Wednesday.
The alternative is to skip the Sao Paulo gigs (sorry not as dedicated / bonkers as the 'ardcore) and spend a week exploring Rio. Is this a better option for a holiday with the wife?
Any help / thourghts appreciated?
Manic wrote: If I am able to scoot over to Brazil, say arriving in Sao Paulo on the sunday morning is there enough to do/see to keep Mrs Manic Ocupied eg shopping, Historical stuff, general culteral bollocks in Sao Paul until after the 2nd New Order gig?
That would mean all day Sunday,Monday & Tuesday, leaving for Rio on Wednesday.
The alternative is to skip the Sao Paulo gigs (sorry not as dedicated / bonkers as the 'ardcore) and spend a week exploring Rio. Is this a better option for a holiday with the wife?
Any help / thourghts appreciated?
I think 'the wife' would prefer the alternative much more... :)
Manic wrote:
sorry not as bonkers as the 'ardcore
...are you sure? :D
Manic wrote:
The alternative is to skip the Sao Paulo gigs (sorry not as dedicated / bonkers as the 'ardcore) and spend a week exploring Rio. Is this a better option for a holiday with the wife?
Any help / thourghts appreciated?
If you spend the week in Rio you can take a bus (4,5 hours) or a plane (45min) just to check the Sao Paulo concert. I can't skip work and will problably do this
One Brain wrote:
By the way, some listeners of that radio station are complaining about the presence of New Order in the festival. Apparently, the kids want something more rock-oriented, like Linkin Park, Foo Fighters or whatever. Looking on the net, I read some comments like "New Order are crap", "Never heard of them" and "They wouldn't fill a venue of 300 capacity".
Ha! More rock-oriented? Wait till they go and listen to Crystal, Transmission, 24 Hours and Working Overtime! They will end up crying like babies!
:D
...Yeehah!! - I'm in also now - touchdown in SP Sat 11th 6.45am - Milky is on the case to sort the internals - and I'll be heading back Sunday 19th pm, arriving Heathrow Monday 7.15am - planning to head straight to the office at this stage, although plans might (have to) change.
Wolfram wrote: ...Yeehah!! - I'm in also now - touchdown in SP Sat 11th 6.45am - Milky is on the case to sort the internals - and I'll be heading back Sunday 19th pm, arriving Heathrow Monday 7.15am - planning to head straight to the office at this stage, although plans might (have to) change.
Wolfram wrote: ...Yeehah!! - I'm in also now - touchdown in SP Sat 11th 6.45am - Milky is on the case to sort the internals - and I'll be heading back Sunday 19th pm, arriving Heathrow Monday 7.15am - planning to head straight to the office at this stage, although plans might (have to) change.
About fcuking time!
It's gonna be one damn long boring flight with just a passport in a plastic bag to entertain me...:(
Mrs Milky wrote: It's gonna be one damn long boring flight with just a passport in a plastic bag to entertain me...:(
yeh, first thing I thought this morning after seeing the news, having booked my flights last night - let's hope it blows over before Nov. - I need my ipod and at least one good book on a transatlantic flight!
Manic wrote: If I am able to scoot over to Brazil, say arriving in Sao Paulo on the sunday morning is there enough to do/see to keep Mrs Manic Ocupied eg shopping, Historical stuff, general culteral bollocks in Sao Paul until after the 2nd New Order gig?
That would mean all day Sunday,Monday & Tuesday, leaving for Rio on Wednesday.
The alternative is to skip the Sao Paulo gigs (sorry not as dedicated / bonkers as the 'ardcore) and spend a week exploring Rio. Is this a better option for a holiday with the wife?
Any help / thourghts appreciated?
Drop us a line, we may be able to help if you decide to stop by SP after all.
I'm in, too. My flights with Iberia:
Flight 1: Fr 10 November 06 via Madrid Departure: 19:40 Fr Düsseldorf, Deutschland Arrival: 07:05 Sa Sao Paulo, Brasilien
Flight 2: So 19 November 06, via Madrid Departure: 13:20 So Buenos Aires, Argentinien Arrival: 12:15 Mo Düsseldorf, Deutschland
