Could this be the ULTIMATE list?

Hello to one and all, after the recent debacles over what New Order songs qualify as 'The Best' which uncontrollably spread-eagle over every thread and topic the worlds ever seen and usually ends in a massive scrap where no man or woman ever agrees and as such puts your off your dinner. Anyway, here is a small experiment which should establish (fairly easily and hopefully without injury) an ultimate OrderLine faithful master list based on actual facts! - without the need to exceed 2.5 million posts.

Okay here goes:

Step 1) Pick your favourite '2' songs from each 'official' album release... 1 Monkey 2 Powder, Custard and Lumps 3 Shelf-Life 4 Battletank 5 Technical 6 Reproduction 7 Getting Things Ready

Step 2) Pick your favourite '2' songs from ANY 'single' release... Topped with a helping of Godzilla Worms with Motors Trump Fast Shellfish

and so on.

If we all don't argue about each others choices too much by adding the variables together we will finally compile a 'genuine' ultimate list. 16 final songs... can we do it?

God be with you... it is your destiny.

There isn't 2 decent songs on Movement though Huntsy

otherwise good plan...I take it the single relaeses can also include B-sides

I'm obviously gunny hav to wait til someone alse answers to provide a template, as I'm not too good at followin instructions, canny lad.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis maybes

Is it contageous?? the geordie thing.

Dreams Never End ICB Your Silent Face Leave Me Alone Sunrise Face Up Bizarre Love Triangle All Day Long Mr Disco Vanishing Point Regret Special Crystal Close Range Everythings Gone Green Temptation

But ask me again tomorrow and I'll give you a different list....

Album Choices: 1 Dreams Never End / The Him 2 Leave Me Alone / The Village 3 Sooner Than You Think / Elegia 4 Bizarre Love Triangle / Paradise 5 Vanishing Point / Dream Attack 6 Regret / World 7 Crystal / Turn My Way

Single Choices: 1 The Perfect Kiss 2 True Faith

There... I did it.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis > Originally posted by Seb Briggs> There isn't 2 decent songs on Movement though Huntsy> > otherwise good plan...I take it the single relaeses can also include B-sides

Er, Dreams Never End, surely? Right up there with the best of 'em. And then maybes Denial or Chosen Time?

Dreams Never End was the 1 good song. A few others were ok but Chosen Time instead of a 3rd song off Technique/Low Life wouldn't be right at all.

Originally posted by Huntsman Album Choices:1 Dreams Never End / The Him2 Leave Me Alone / The Village 3 Sooner Than You Think / Elegia4 Bizarre Love Triangle / Paradise5 Vanishing Point / Dream Attack6 Regret / World7 Crystal / Turn My WaySingle Choices:1 The Perfect Kiss2 True FaithThere... I did it.

Dreams Never End / ? Age of Consent/ Leave Me alone Love Vigilantes/Subculture Paradise/Weirdo Round and round/Dream Attack/ Regret/World Crystal/Primitive Notion

True Faith Blue Monday & a 3rd single choice instead of 2nd Movement song: Procession

Can I have Four off PCL, five from Teckers, Four singles a vodka and red bull.... duvn't nar aboot anyone else but ar doon't reckon this is gonna be as easy as you thought.

Okay, Huntsy, I'll try to do this in stages; it's too hard to do all at once.

I own a copy of Movement, but I'm not sure I've ever actually listened to it. But then I must have, to decide I didn't care to return. Anyway, as a result, I will reserve my two choices for later use elsewhere.

PCL: AOC, 586, Leave Me A Loan.

By the way, after listening to the above last night, I have the following question for you: do you really think that Regret is better than Leaving Moline?

And have the natives stopped being mean to you?

There. That's enough for now.

Technicolor: Varnishing Paint. Reserve one choice for later use.

I have a question about Low Life. My copy includes both PK and Subculture, but those were also singles, right? So would PK and Subculture count as picks from Loafer?

GR is easy, of course: Gristle and Turn Back Now!

Originally posted by Huntsman Hello to one and all,after the recent debacles over what New Order songs qualify as 'The Best' which uncontrollably spread-eagle over every thread and topic the worlds ever seen and usually ends in a massive scrap where no man or woman ever agrees and as such puts your off your dinner. Anyway, here is a small experiment which should establish (fairly easily and hopefully without injury) an ultimate OrderLine faithful master list based on actual facts! - without the need to exceed 2.5 million posts.Okay here goes:Step 1)Pick your favourite '2' songs from each 'official' album release...1 Monkey2 Powder, Custard and Lumps3 Shelf-Life4 Battletank5 Technical6 Reproduction7 Getting Things ReadyStep 2)Pick your favourite '2' songs from ANY 'single' release...Topped with a helping of GodzillaWorms with MotorsTrump FastShellfishand so on.If we all don't argue about each others choices too much by adding the variables together we will finally compile a 'genuine' ultimate list. 16 final songs... can we do it?God be with you... it is your destiny.

Hmmmm, methinks there is a fatal flaw in this clever selection process. No mention is made of Substance which is mainly made up of singles not on albums so 2 choices from this isn't nearly enough. i.e. only 2 choices from Ceremony, Temptation, Blue Monday, Thieves Like Us, True Faith, 1963, Lonesome Tonight etc. I couldn't leave any of these songs from a best of. Would it not be better to have 6 choices from singles in order to have a definitive top 20? Apologies for my nitpicking.

Anyway for the record, my choices would be: Dreams Never End/Denial Age of Consent/Your Silent Face Love Vigilantes/This Time of Night BLT/All Day Long Run/Vanishing Point Regret/Special

True Faith 1963

Originally posted by zico > Originally posted by Huntsman > Hello to one and all,> after the recent debacles over what New Order songs qualify as 'The Best' which uncontrollably spread-eagle over every thread and topic the worlds ever seen and usually ends in a massive scrap where no man or woman ever agrees and as such puts your off your dinner. Anyway, here is a small experiment which should establish (fairly easily and hopefully without injury) an ultimate OrderLine faithful master list based on actual facts! - without the need to exceed 2.5 million posts.> > Okay here goes:> > Step 1)> Pick your favourite '2' songs from each 'official' album release...> 1 Monkey> 2 Powder, Custard and Lumps> 3 Shelf-Life> 4 Battletank> 5 Technical> 6 Reproduction> 7 Getting Things Ready> > Step 2)> Pick your favourite '2' songs from ANY 'single' release...> Topped with a helping of Godzilla> Worms with Motors> Trump Fast> Shellfish> > and so on.> > > If we all don't argue about each others choices too much by adding the variables together we will finally compile a 'genuine' ultimate list. 16 final songs... can we do it?> > God be with you... it is your destiny.

Hmmmm, methinks there is a fatal flaw in this clever selection process. No mention is made of Substance which is mainly made up of singles not on albums so 2 choices from this isn't nearly enough. i.e. only 2 choices from Ceremony, Temptation, Blue Monday, Thieves Like Us, True Faith, 1963, Lonesome Tonight etc. I couldn't leave any of these songs from a best of. Would it not be better to have 6 choices from singles in order to have a definitive top 20? Apologies for my nitpicking.

Anyway for the record, my choices would be: Dreams Never End/Denial Age of Consent/Your Silent Face Love Vigilantes/This Time of Night BLT/All Day Long Run/Vanishing Point Regret/Special

True Faith 1963

Oops, forgot about Get ready (like most of the US it appears) Crystal/Vicious Streakc

Albums Dreams Never End-Chosen Time The Village-Your Silent Face Elegia-Sunrise Bizare Love Triangle-All Day Long Mr Disco-Round and Round Regret-Special Crystal-Primitive Notion

Singles Temptation-Touched By the Hand of God

Republicans and Democrats: World and Spooky; sorry, Huntsy, I'm not going to waste one of my choices on Regrettable Mistake. I almost picked Young Offender though.

Substance doesn't count... that is a best of compilation, not an 'official' original and unique release.

Patrick, Leave Me Alone vs. Regret... impossible to chose. I refer my answer to the replies given over the last couple of days - it stays with equal priority in the Huntsman best of list.

Come on fellas, we've almost cracked it! - try to steer away from discussing the merits or lackoff.

Subculture could be included as an album track and a single, as they appeared to us in this way. A wasted choice though, its up to you whether or not the single or album version is the best, and whether or not the album version and single deserve best of choices twice. This is the closest you'll get on this one to having a 'remix' on this ultimate album.

Very happy with peoples choices up to now. Encouraging selection from 'El Jarvo... forgot about Ceremony as a single choice (shit). I see no appearance of Rocking the Shithouse!!.. I see, when all said and done is this just average?

The Village and Leave Me Alone are suffering much resistance from Age of Consent and Your Silent Trumps... who will win?

Zico New Order have always been an album band... so, album takes preference over singles.. sorry.

Remember - no fights, just down to business. No further 'nit-picking' please.

Singles: True Faith and Shellshock

And Temptation

Brotherhood: BLT

How many picks do I have left for Lifeboat?

I've lost count.

Lower than a fly: PK, Sunrise, Subculture, Face Up.

Originally posted by Huntsman Step 1)Pick your favourite '2' songs from each 'official' album release...1 Monkey2 Powder, Custard and Lumps3 Shelf-Life4 Battletank5 Technical6 Reproduction7 Getting Things ReadyStep 2)Pick your favourite '2' songs from ANY 'single' release...Topped with a helping of GodzillaWorms with MotorsTrump FastShellfishand so on.

Heh. I have already made a CD-R for a friend last week according to that formula! Altho, in my version I added some songs from the Peel Sessions '98 (so I could sneak in Isolation)... And no songs from Get Ready, because he had already heard all those songs. These are the songs that made it to the CD:

Ceremony In A Lonely Place Dreams Never End Chosen Time The Village Your Silent Face Love Vigilantes This Time of Night Paradise Broken Promise Mr Disco Dream Attack Young Offender Special True Faith (98) TBTHOG (98) Isolation (98)

Patrick you have put 4 from Low-Liner you cheeky monkey. I can't follow you you've posted that many variations... good old Patty, the only one I thought would definately keep it all nice and neat. You've got me all of a pickled onion. I tried my best to plead with everyone not to spread it out like peanut butter on a misplaced cooking spoon. It was like talking to a mute pidgeon, swooping with alacrity.

Maria... nice compilation, I hope your friend was pleased with that! - The only disappointing aspect was the inclusion of True Fat 1998 instead of the sublime original, however, your decision to burn Mr. Dishcloth overrides this momentary lack of respect for your elders and goes some way in convincing us all that you have a touch of genius. Raw choices - excellent results.

Dreams never end / Chosen time 586 / Your silent face Perfect kiss / Sunrise Way of life / Bizarre love triangle Run / Dream attack Regret / Everyone everywhere Primitive notion / Close range Temptation / True faith

B-side 1963 / Behind closed doors

Young Offender... you tellling us your not going to include 'Young Offender'?

Well, Huntsy, I'm sorry I didn't follow directions very well. It's kind of like giving you fifteen choices as my top five. But you know I mean well; except when it comes to a certain title that starts with "R".

I don't know how to satisfy you Patty... firstly, I attempt to provoke a top 5 out of you and you say no, I can't... it has to be a top 15... then, I give you ample opportunity to select a perfect top 15, and, you want a top 5.

Let me ask you this... if you walked into a garage sale on your neighborhood (i'm trying to utilise US speak here) on a saturday, and you had 15 cents in your pocket (you lucky boy). Your up for buying something and that money is burning a hole thorugh your bomber jacket. Anway, as if like some divine intervention... a table opens up in front of you. 3 fat pies smoulder in front of you:

1st pie is apple and stinks just swell for 7.5 cents 2nd pie is mainly meat based with a few onions to go again at 7.5 cent 4th pie is a mystery but sniffs the best and is 14 cents

You could select both 1 and 2 pies and be digesting great things with a medium to high knowlege of expectancy... or, you could through caution to the windy and go for pie 4... which could be a bomb?

Patrick... which set of circumstances could the above evolve into?

Pie 4... is obviously the most expensive and would negate the opportunity to buy any of the other 2 fat smouldering pies.

That's easy, Huntsy. I don't like apple pie and I don't like surprises. So I'd go with pie #2 and save the other 7.5 cents. Does that make everything clear?

But surely I gave you approximately 15 delightfully wonderful never disappointing always pleasing perpetually amusing singable danceable heart-warming tear-jerking beautiful perfect songs, didn't I?

Yes but they were all over the place so I thought I'd have a moan instead.

Today Patrick... your a really 'UP' person. Has something spurred you on in life to cause this?

I've counted them and I think I actally picked 16.

Originally posted by Young Offender Dreams never end / Chosen time586 / Your silent facePerfect kiss / SunriseWay of life / Bizarre love triangleRun / Dream attackRegret / Everyone everywherePrimitive notion / Close rangeTemptation / True faithB-side1963 / Behind closed doors

At last, someone mentions 'Way Of Life'. I can't pick 2 songs from Movement since I only remember 'Dreams Never End', so that will give me a joker...

Dreams Never End Age Of Consent Your Silent Face Love Vigilantes Subculture Way Of Life All Day Long Loveless Run Regret World Crystal Turn My Way Ceremony Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle

Well, my water was off all night and the water company was digging up the street in front of my house until about 5 this morning. Perhaps that's the explanation? Or maybe it's just having listened to all my favorites from PCL and LL last night?

Top selections once again Geoff!

What was Huntsy's tune like?

Hunts, the nick refers to the Pet Shop Boys song.

Originally posted by Seb Briggs Top selections once again Geoff!What was Huntsy's tune like?

Thanx Seb.

Huntsy's tune is 6 minutes of pure joy, I just can't get enough of it...

Sorry I didn't work in any references to bugs or rabbits in my previous reply, Huntsy.

Huntsy-you must allow it on the site.

I wish I could tempt you with some of my own 'Boyzone/Technique era/REM' recordings but they are alas lost to memory...

Originally posted by Young Offender Hunts, the nick refers to the Pet Shop Boys song.

Quality tune that one..I thought the best from VERY by a mini-mile

Originally posted by Patrick Sorry I didn't work in any references to bugs or rabbits in my previous reply, Huntsy.

your forgiven... this time.

Originally posted by Geoff The Klump > Originally posted by Seb Briggs> Top selections once again Geoff!> > What was Huntsy's tune like?

Thanx Seb.

Huntsy's tune is 6 minutes of pure joy, I just can't get enough of it...

Cheers Geoff! ;)

I'd like to say that last night (after the 1 hour download of the hit song 'Like a Doberman') - my good lady was dancing to the aformentioned tune!!! - Buster had entered the Huntsman house and volumes were high. Was a very emotional moment for us all. Interesting differences between Buster's music and my own.

Sebbsy... public access to Huntsman's musical attic ...... mmmmmmmm..... I don't think I could cope with the fan mail!

Originally posted by Young Offender Hunts, the nick refers to the Pet Shop Boys song.

Aaahhh... I see said the blind Huntsman. Why didn't you call yourself 'Opportunities... Let's Make Lots of Gravy'?

Oh well, I suppose I shall just have to imagine it....

I think Klumpy said it was a 'Temptation rip-off' originally..does it sound like the aforementioned tune?

Feeling quite jealous!

Well, if you email me, Seb, I will give you the addres for the 'Like A Doberman' download...

I can cope with fanmail...

:D

Thanks Huntsy...

After the nice comments by Huntsy, I feel euphorical and give away the magical address for the song.

It's just a page with the song name - click on it for download.

Beware though, it's almost 7 MB.

Sebbsy it was Buster's tune that was 'Temptation-esque' and not mine.

If your e-mailing Geoffy then I'm sure he will send you the link to Huntsman's site for sore eyes. Geoff's downloads are tip-top quality at a gargantuan 6MB +, whereas I knocked my MPEG quality down a bit to 2.5MB ish for quick download speeds. I'm still in the ice age with a 56kbps modem that can never quite get connected any faster than 18kbps.

Pastie do you want me to have a word with the water authority?

Originally posted by Huntsman Sebbsy it was Buster's tune that was 'Temptation-esque' and not mine.If your e-mailing Geoffy then I'm sure he will send you the link to Huntsman's site for sore eyes. Geoff's downloads are tip-top quality at a gargantuan 6MB +, whereas I knocked my MPEG quality down a bit to 2.5MB ish for quick download speeds. I'm still in the ice age with a 56kbps modem that can never quite get connected any faster than 18kbps.

Well, now that I have your authorization, I will do so for anyone who email me.

I guess you know I would never have done it without your permission...

Comparing the 2 songs (Huntsy's and mine) is quite interesting cos it shows how the similar influence (NO) can give way to such different songs.

By the way, mine's not really a 'Temptation' rip off. I'd rather say it's a sobng 'à la Temptation'...

Woohoo!

I would dearly like to hear both tunes Klumpy. Try Seb_Briggs@Hotmail.com

The computer I need to listen to them through is a shocking 200mhz thing which has had it's hard drive filled with porn by my housemate so it make take a couple of days for me to listen to them mind!

Huntsy...I was referring to Klumpys 'Temptation influenced 'tune-does it reflect the genius of the original?

Actually, Huntsy, if you have previously undisclosed clout with authorities here, I wish you would have a word with the Postal Service. We haven't had any mail deliveries since Monday because of anthrax in the main post office and now they are talking about burning all the undelivered mail. This is actually NO-related since I had ordered some irregular NO CD's that have not been delivered. So, do you know anybody in the post office?

Erm, I forgot to put the link. It's

http://www.planetinternet.be/fr/chroniques/pourqui/_mp3/doberman.html

I have to open any unexpected mail at my work with a pair of Latex gloves. Which I sort of enjoy wearing actually...like two big Johnnies on each hand..

Originally posted by Seb Briggs Woohoo!I would dearly like to hear both tunes Klumpy. Try Seb_Briggs@Hotmail.comThe computer I need to listen to them through is a shocking 200mhz thing which has had it's hard drive filled with porn by my housemate so it make take a couple of days for me to listen to them mind!Huntsy...I was referring to Klumpys 'Temptation influenced 'tune-does it reflect the genius of the original?

Just sent you an email with Huntsy's link...

Pastie, just this very morning my partner decided to use a 'scalpel' to open one envelope we had received that looked quite suspicious. It was conspicuous by its very poor handwriting and he was genuinely scared the package may have contained chicken pox or anthrax or possibly a minor case of the flu. In case your worried, it was a job application by a teacher... he threw it in the bin, whereas I reply to all job applications being such a standup kind of Huntsman.

Pats I HATE IT when mail your expecting doesn't come through the system... burning mail that has stacked up because of non-delivery is heart-wrenching. I might write to my local MP on your behalf but cannot promise guaranteed delivery of your spurious New Order material. Good luck with that one Pats... I hope they haven't burnt confirmation that you've won a major prize!?

Sebbsy please don't give that link out to all and sundry... you have been placed with a confidential piece of material and it would be a breach of our trust should you reveal its content to anyone but yourself. This meeting of minds is something me and the Buster have been planning for about 3 months so excuse us both if it sounds like we are trying to keep anything from you... we aren't. Buster, I know you wouldn't have handed the link out to just anyone, a mans personal work is as private as his teethbrush. Seb, let us know your thoughts after you've shifted all that filth off your mates machine. Klumpy's hit single is absolutely the most 'out there' piece of music you could ever come across. Highlight for me was the sound of Buster's silky smooth vocal chords and the very raw keyboard to guitar to drum machine ratio. Last minute is a criscendo of untold proportions... expect the unexpected (literally). In comparison, mine sounds like mainstream Jimmy.

Crisps.

A fucking whitey! - moi! - good god that's like seeing a crow at your window or something. Will I die now?

Gosh, Huntsy, you're so kind.

If it wa sonly for your reaction, doing music in the 1st place would already be worth it...

Don't worry Huntsy-your secrets safe with me. Likewise, I believe you may have knowledge of my personal work email address so any indescretion on my part could be punished to the full! Chances are I won't be able to listen to it anyway thanks to the amount of 'Asianbuttbabes' material already clogging up the machine.

Thanks again Klumpy.

When I have had a chance to listen and digest the sounds, I will comment further

Well Buster its not all praise... after all, I did say that a 2 million pound a day producer could transform it into an underground hit aka Daft Punk? - so, surely that puts the balance right. What I could hear from it was a unique and decent voice, a proper hit trying to get out and a great deal of raw energy... that's my 'honest' appraisal.

As a matter of interest Bust... I've just tried clicking to download my own MP3 and it goes to a new page and tries to load into a web browser page!? - how the heck did you manage it!?

You're welcome, Seb...

Originally posted by Seb Briggs Don't worry Huntsy-your secrets safe with me. Likewise, I believe you may have knowledge of my personal work email address so any indescretion on my part could be punished to the full! Chances are I won't be able to listen to it anyway thanks to the amount of 'Asianbuttbabes' material already clogging up the machine.Thanks again Klumpy.When I have had a chance to listen and digest the sounds, I will comment further

Mr. Briggs, I think we understand each other. At no point in the future shall I send you a picture of a squirrel.

Originally posted by Seb Briggs Don't worry Huntsy-your secrets safe with me. Likewise, I believe you may have knowledge of my personal work email address so any indescretion on my part could be punished to the full! Chances are I won't be able to listen to it anyway thanks to the amount of 'Asianbuttbabes' material already clogging up the machine.Thanks again Klumpy.When I have had a chance to listen and digest the sounds, I will comment further

Mr. Briggs, I think we understand each other. At no point in the future shall I send you a picture of a squirrel.

Originally posted by Huntsman Well Buster its not all praise... after all, I did say that a 2 million pound a day producer could transform it into an underground hit aka Daft Punk? - so, surely that puts the balance right. What I could hear from it was a unique and decent voice, a proper hit trying to get out and a great deal of raw energy... that's my 'honest' appraisal.As a matter of interest Bust... I've just tried clicking to download my own MP3 and it goes to a new page and tries to load into a web browser page!? - how the heck did you manage it!?

You know, Huntsy, I'm very far from being the king of self-confidence. And what you said confirmed what I think deep inside : that with proper producing help, it could give something interesting.

But I have no musical knowledge and only have an old 4-track tape recorder.

For your link, I don't know. When I downloaded from here, yesterday, it worked normally. But yesterday evening, at home, it did the same thing as yours...

Weird...

Well, Huntsy, I'm hoping this talk about burning all of our undelivered mail is just a viciously streaking rumor.

So are you going to collate and compile the results of this survey and come up with the consensus picks for the all time greatest sixteen half minute clips? Or is it perhaps going to turn into the mother of all megamixes?

Well that's it... I can no longer get to the bottom of this post room... computer's given up. :( too many posts for me.

Hope you like my new signature, Huntsy, if you're able to see those last posts...

Well I managed to just get to the bottom again but fear that's my lot... nice one Buster... I wonder what the real truth was? - After all 'I don't know the reasons why'

Hope I'm not too late for this:

Dreams Never End Denial Your Silent Face Age of Consent Sunrise Sooner Than You Think Bizarre Love Triangle As It Is When It Was Vanishing Point Dream Attack Regret Ruined In A Day Crystal Turn My Way Ceremony Thieves Like Us

"This means nothing to me!!!!!

THIS MEANS NOTHING TO ME!!!!!

O-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H.... VIENNETTA !!!!!!!!!!!!"