Could this be the ULTIMATE list?

Hello to one and all, after the recent debacles over what New Order songs qualify as 'The Best' which uncontrollably spread-eagle over every thread and topic the worlds ever seen and usually ends in a massive scrap where no man or woman ever agrees and as such puts your off your dinner. Anyway, here is a small experiment which should establish (fairly easily and hopefully without injury) an ultimate OrderLine faithful master list based on actual facts! - without the need to exceed 2.5 million posts.

Okay here goes:

Step 1) Pick your favourite '2' songs from each 'official' album release... 1 Monkey 2 Powder, Custard and Lumps 3 Shelf-Life 4 Battletank 5 Technical 6 Reproduction 7 Getting Things Ready

Step 2) Pick your favourite '2' songs from ANY 'single' release... Topped with a helping of Godzilla Worms with Motors Trump Fast Shellfish

and so on.

If we all don't argue about each others choices too much by adding the variables together we will finally compile a 'genuine' ultimate list. 16 final songs... can we do it?

God be with you... it is your destiny.

There isn't 2 decent songs on Movement though Huntsy

otherwise good plan...I take it the single relaeses can also include B-sides

I'm obviously gunny hav to wait til someone alse answers to provide a template, as I'm not too good at followin instructions, canny lad.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis maybes

Is it contageous?? the geordie thing.

Dreams Never End ICB Your Silent Face Leave Me Alone Sunrise Face Up Bizarre Love Triangle All Day Long Mr Disco Vanishing Point Regret Special Crystal Close Range Everythings Gone Green Temptation

But ask me again tomorrow and I'll give you a different list....

Album Choices: 1 Dreams Never End / The Him 2 Leave Me Alone / The Village 3 Sooner Than You Think / Elegia 4 Bizarre Love Triangle / Paradise 5 Vanishing Point / Dream Attack 6 Regret / World 7 Crystal / Turn My Way

Single Choices: 1 The Perfect Kiss 2 True Faith

There... I did it.

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis > Originally posted by Seb Briggs> There isn't 2 decent songs on Movement though Huntsy> > otherwise good plan...I take it the single relaeses can also include B-sides

Er, Dreams Never End, surely? Right up there with the best of 'em. And then maybes Denial or Chosen Time?

Dreams Never End was the 1 good song. A few others were ok but Chosen Time instead of a 3rd song off Technique/Low Life wouldn't be right at all.

Originally posted by Huntsman Album Choices:1 Dreams Never End / The Him2 Leave Me Alone / The Village 3 Sooner Than You Think / Elegia4 Bizarre Love Triangle / Paradise5 Vanishing Point / Dream Attack6 Regret / World7 Crystal / Turn My WaySingle Choices:1 The Perfect Kiss2 True FaithThere... I did it.

Dreams Never End / ? Age of Consent/ Leave Me alone Love Vigilantes/Subculture Paradise/Weirdo Round and round/Dream Attack/ Regret/World Crystal/Primitive Notion

True Faith Blue Monday & a 3rd single choice instead of 2nd Movement song: Procession

Can I have Four off PCL, five from Teckers, Four singles a vodka and red bull.... duvn't nar aboot anyone else but ar doon't reckon this is gonna be as easy as you thought.

Okay, Huntsy, I'll try to do this in stages; it's too hard to do all at once.

I own a copy of Movement, but I'm not sure I've ever actually listened to it. But then I must have, to decide I didn't care to return. Anyway, as a result, I will reserve my two choices for later use elsewhere.

PCL: AOC, 586, Leave Me A Loan.

By the way, after listening to the above last night, I have the following question for you: do you really think that Regret is better than Leaving Moline?

And have the natives stopped being mean to you?

There. That's enough for now.

Technicolor: Varnishing Paint. Reserve one choice for later use.

I have a question about Low Life. My copy includes both PK and Subculture, but those were also singles, right? So would PK and Subculture count as picks from Loafer?

GR is easy, of course: Gristle and Turn Back Now!

Originally posted by Huntsman Hello to one and all,after the recent debacles over what New Order songs qualify as 'The Best' which uncontrollably spread-eagle over every thread and topic the worlds ever seen and usually ends in a massive scrap where no man or woman ever agrees and as such puts your off your dinner. Anyway, here is a small experiment which should establish (fairly easily and hopefully without injury) an ultimate OrderLine faithful master list based on actual facts! - without the need to exceed 2.5 million posts.Okay here goes:Step 1)Pick your favourite '2' songs from each 'official' album release...1 Monkey2 Powder, Custard and Lumps3 Shelf-Life4 Battletank5 Technical6 Reproduction7 Getting Things ReadyStep 2)Pick your favourite '2' songs from ANY 'single' release...Topped with a helping of GodzillaWorms with MotorsTrump FastShellfishand so on.If we all don't argue about each others choices too much by adding the variables together we will finally compile a 'genuine' ultimate list. 16 final songs... can we do it?God be with you... it is your destiny.

Hmmmm, methinks there is a fatal flaw in this clever selection process. No mention is made of Substance which is mainly made up of singles not on albums so 2 choices from this isn't nearly enough. i.e. only 2 choices from Ceremony, Temptation, Blue Monday, Thieves Like Us, True Faith, 1963, Lonesome Tonight etc. I couldn't leave any of these songs from a best of. Would it not be better to have 6 choices from singles in order to have a definitive top 20? Apologies for my nitpicking.

Anyway for the record, my choices would be: Dreams Never End/Denial Age of Consent/Your Silent Face Love Vigilantes/This Time of Night BLT/All Day Long Run/Vanishing Point Regret/Special

True Faith 1963

Originally posted by zico > Originally posted by Huntsman > Hello to one and all,> after the recent debacles over what New Order songs qualify as 'The Best' which uncontrollably spread-eagle over every thread and topic the worlds ever seen and usually ends in a massive scrap where no man or woman ever agrees and as such puts your off your dinner. Anyway, here is a small experiment which should establish (fairly easily and hopefully without injury) an ultimate OrderLine faithful master list based on actual facts! - without the need to exceed 2.5 million posts.> > Okay here goes:> > Step 1)> Pick your favourite '2' songs from each 'official' album release...> 1 Monkey> 2 Powder, Custard and Lumps> 3 Shelf-Life> 4 Battletank> 5 Technical> 6 Reproduction> 7 Getting Things Ready> > Step 2)> Pick your favourite '2' songs from ANY 'single' release...> Topped with a helping of Godzilla> Worms with Motors> Trump Fast> Shellfish> > and so on.> > > If we all don't argue about each others choices too much by adding the variables together we will finally compile a 'genuine' ultimate list. 16 final songs... can we do it?> > God be with you... it is your destiny.

Hmmmm, methinks there is a fatal flaw in this clever selection process. No mention is made of Substance which is mainly made up of singles not on albums so 2 choices from this isn't nearly enough. i.e. only 2 choices from Ceremony, Temptation, Blue Monday, Thieves Like Us, True Faith, 1963, Lonesome Tonight etc. I couldn't leave any of these songs from a best of. Would it not be better to have 6 choices from singles in order to have a definitive top 20? Apologies for my nitpicking.

Anyway for the record, my choices would be: Dreams Never End/Denial Age of Consent/Your Silent Face Love Vigilantes/This Time of Night BLT/All Day Long Run/Vanishing Point Regret/Special

True Faith 1963

Oops, forgot about Get ready (like most of the US it appears) Crystal/Vicious Streakc

Albums Dreams Never End-Chosen Time The Village-Your Silent Face Elegia-Sunrise Bizare Love Triangle-All Day Long Mr Disco-Round and Round Regret-Special Crystal-Primitive Notion

Singles Temptation-Touched By the Hand of God

Republicans and Democrats: World and Spooky; sorry, Huntsy, I'm not going to waste one of my choices on Regrettable Mistake. I almost picked Young Offender though.

Substance doesn't count... that is a best of compilation, not an 'official' original and unique release.

Patrick, Leave Me Alone vs. Regret... impossible to chose. I refer my answer to the replies given over the last couple of days - it stays with equal priority in the Huntsman best of list.

Come on fellas, we've almost cracked it! - try to steer away from discussing the merits or lackoff.

Subculture could be included as an album track and a single, as they appeared to us in this way. A wasted choice though, its up to you whether or not the single or album version is the best, and whether or not the album version and single deserve best of choices twice. This is the closest you'll get on this one to having a 'remix' on this ultimate album.

Very happy with peoples choices up to now. Encouraging selection from 'El Jarvo... forgot about Ceremony as a single choice (shit). I see no appearance of Rocking the Shithouse!!.. I see, when all said and done is this just average?

The Village and Leave Me Alone are suffering much resistance from Age of Consent and Your Silent Trumps... who will win?

Zico New Order have always been an album band... so, album takes preference over singles.. sorry.

Remember - no fights, just down to business. No further 'nit-picking' please.

Singles: True Faith and Shellshock

And Temptation

Brotherhood: BLT

How many picks do I have left for Lifeboat?

I've lost count.

Lower than a fly: PK, Sunrise, Subculture, Face Up.

Originally posted by Huntsman Step 1)Pick your favourite '2' songs from each 'official' album release...1 Monkey2 Powder, Custard and Lumps3 Shelf-Life4 Battletank5 Technical6 Reproduction7 Getting Things ReadyStep 2)Pick your favourite '2' songs from ANY 'single' release...Topped with a helping of GodzillaWorms with MotorsTrump FastShellfishand so on.

Heh. I have already made a CD-R for a friend last week according to that formula! Altho, in my version I added some songs from the Peel Sessions '98 (so I could sneak in Isolation)... And no songs from Get Ready, because he had already heard all those songs. These are the songs that made it to the CD:

Ceremony In A Lonely Place Dreams Never End Chosen Time The Village Your Silent Face Love Vigilantes This Time of Night Paradise Broken Promise Mr Disco Dream Attack Young Offender Special True Faith (98) TBTHOG (98) Isolation (98)

Patrick you have put 4 from Low-Liner you cheeky monkey. I can't follow you you've posted that many variations... good old Patty, the only one I thought would definately keep it all nice and neat. You've got me all of a pickled onion. I tried my best to plead with everyone not to spread it out like peanut butter on a misplaced cooking spoon. It was like talking to a mute pidgeon, swooping with alacrity.

Maria... nice compilation, I hope your friend was pleased with that! - The only disappointing aspect was the inclusion of True Fat 1998 instead of the sublime original, however, your decision to burn Mr. Dishcloth overrides this momentary lack of respect for your elders and goes some way in convincing us all that you have a touch of genius. Raw choices - excellent results.

Dreams never end / Chosen time 586 / Your silent face Perfect kiss / Sunrise Way of life / Bizarre love triangle Run / Dream attack Regret / Everyone everywhere Primitive notion / Close range Temptation / True faith

B-side 1963 / Behind closed doors

Young Offender... you tellling us your not going to include 'Young Offender'?

Well, Huntsy, I'm sorry I didn't follow directions very well. It's kind of like giving you fifteen choices as my top five. But you know I mean well; except when it comes to a certain title that starts with "R".