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Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid did they choose the name NewOrder without Gillian in the band or as suggested in the deleted scenes on 24HPP, with Gillian?
According to Kevin Hewick, they'd decided on the name New Order the night before they recorded "Haystack". It was in June 1980, before Gillian joining the band.
Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid so technically, they should change their name since they aren't really NewOrder any more. if they had to change when ian left them hanging, surely losing gillian should result in another name change by their standards. of course, i don't really think they should or that they will but it isn't really NewOrder without Gillian is it? (cue Jarvis disputing Gillian's contribution)did they choose the name NewOrder without Gillian in the band or as suggested in the deleted scenes on 24HPP, with Gillian?
They didn't include Phil on their last tour's (2001/2002) pictures or interviews.So he's not a member of the band just a guest guitarrist.
Was Gillian so important on keyboards or electronic New Order's sound?I don't think so.
Maybe I could be wrong.Tim,are you over there?
Originally posted by One Brain > Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid> did they choose the name NewOrder without Gillian in the band or as suggested in the deleted scenes on 24HPP, with Gillian?
According to Kevin Hewick, they'd decided on the name New Order the night before they recorded "Haystack". It was in June 1980, before Gillian joining the band.
Either way, they released a single, recorded as a three-piece only, under the name 'New Order'.
As arguably the least technically proficient member of the band, and as a woman in male-dominated industry, and as someone with a frequently outlandish taste in hairstyles and clothes, was Gillian THE most punk constituent in New Order?
Whether they'll miss her sound-wise is debatable, but given the choice is there actually anyone here who wouldn't want her back in the 'classic' line-up?? Really????
Originally posted by martin fradley As arguably the least technically proficient member of the band, and as a woman in male-dominated industry, and as someone with a frequently outlandish taste in hairstyles and clothes, was Gillian THE most punk constituent in New Order?Whether they'll miss her sound-wise is debatable, but given the choice is there actually anyone here who wouldn't want her back in the 'classic' line-up?? Really????
Gillian is part of the New Order story.We'll miss her dresses and comments 
Originally posted by Hooky's Red Kimono > Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid> so technically, they should change their name since they aren't really NewOrder any more. if they had to change when ian left them hanging, surely losing gillian should result in another name change by their standards. of course, i don't really think they should or that they will but it isn't really NewOrder without Gillian is it? (cue Jarvis disputing Gillian's contribution)> > did they choose the name NewOrder without Gillian in the band or as suggested in the deleted scenes on 24HPP, with Gillian?
They didn't include Phil on their last tour's (2001/2002) pictures or interviews.So he's not a member of the band just a guest guitarrist.
Was Gillian so important on keyboards or electronic New Order's sound?I don't think so.
Maybe I could be wrong.Tim,are you over there?
Gillian's contribution shouldn't be underestimated. She physically played second guitar and live keyboards, and she contributed to the songwriting process. As the next album will be the first recordings since she left the band, only then will we know what kind of effect it has had.
I guess if she "left" the band, it means they are not writting in Steve & Gillian's farm.
Because I wouldn't be able to do nothing at all if they were doing it in my house..
I can understand touring & promoting, but what's the point? they don't want to split the profits 4 ways?
Hey, Gillian wasn't in that other band, what were they called again?, and they weren't too shabby.
Originally posted by death of art Hey, Gillian wasn't in that other band, what were they called again?, and they weren't too shabby.
Someone close to her told me she's joining 'The Inadequates' again
definately time for a name change, it wont be the same band. especially if they are getting another guitarist in for recording. why? doesnt barney play guitar and know how to operate a tape machine?
electronic was good and interesting because marr knows about 100 more chords than barney (and tried to show that on TT). bringing somebody like that in would loose the point of NO. it's simple songs.
and its not giving a damn about the bloody instruments as well. who cares about keyboards, guitars, melodica?? they play what sounds right. all keys, all guitars, who cares? not limited to a genre of stance like all these other f*ckers. Radiohead are the new kings of this area then.
are we doomed to listen to songs like the 2/3 speed version of digital the old f*ckers played live on the DVD?
i was right, the new album should be called 'Nosedive'
Originally posted by Mr Ben definately time for a name change, it wont be the same band. especially if they are getting another guitarist in for recording. why? doesnt barney play guitar and know how to operate a tape machine?electronic was good and interesting because marr knows about 100 more chords than barney (and tried to show that on TT). bringing somebody like that in would loose the point of NO. it's simple songs.and its not giving a damn about the bloody instruments as well. who cares about keyboards, guitars, melodica?? they play what sounds right. all keys, all guitars, who cares? not limited to a genre of stance like all these other f*ckers. Radiohead are the new kings of this area then.are we doomed to listen to songs like the 2/3 speed version of digital the old f*ckers played live on the DVD?i was right, the new album should be called 'Nosedive'
Why don't you visit The Smiths and Radiohead forums? They seem to be your beloved bands so don't come here to criticize New Order,ok? And those 2 sh** bands mentioned above won't be never so important to us than New Order and Joy Division.
Originally posted by Mr Ben nice reply. i assume you fit into the 'football hooligan' section of the audience?
Mr Ben, by distancing yourself from Julio's comments and labelling him a 'football hooligan' are you therefore firmly entrenching yourself in the 'spotty student' camp of New Order followers?
Talking of hooligans, HERE'S a new Doves interview in which they briefly mention New Order's fanatical following.
Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Mr Ben> nice reply. i assume you fit into the 'football hooligan' section of the audience?
Mr Ben, by distancing yourself from Julio's comments and labelling him a 'football hooligan' are you therefore firmly entrenching yourself in the 'spotty student' camp of New Order followers?
Talking of hooligans, HERE'S a new Doves interview in which they briefly mention New Order's fanatical following.
Al
Did you observe that after Regret live from Baywatch video there's a Doves(ex Sub-Sub)song with Melanie Williams?
Originally posted by Hooky's Red Kimono > Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Mr Ben> nice reply. i assume you fit into the 'football hooligan' section of the audience?
Mr Ben, by distancing yourself from Julio's comments and labelling him a 'football hooligan' are you therefore firmly entrenching yourself in the 'spotty student' camp of New Order followers?
Talking of hooligans, HERE'S a new Doves interview in which they briefly mention New Order's fanatical following.
Al
Did you observe that after Regret live from Baywatch video there's a Doves(ex Sub-Sub)song with Melanie Williams?
Julio, this was shown over 10 years ago so I don't remember what followed New Order, sorry. I've got a vid of the NO appearance somewhere but can't remember the last time I watched that.
I presume you're talking about "Ain't No Love"? Quality track.
What was the first concert you went to?
I'd have to say it was New Order at the Hacienda. I remember it being a pretty frightening experience to be honest. The crowd. New Order used to attract a really full-on football hooligan crowd you know. They were always really rough gigs. My lasting memory was the guy next to me got a glass in his head. It almost put me off for life really. I mean it was really really scary kind of thing; I think I was 14 going on 15, and I was like "bloody hell" you know.
Originally posted by Hooky's Red Kimono Yes,Al.That's it.Which album I can find it?
It's on Full Fathom Five, but it's deleted.
Have a look on ebay for the single, the album itself is fairly hard to get hold of. Actually just look at winmx or kazaa, I'm sure you could find it there - it was a reasonably big hit. Top 3, I think?
Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Hooky's Red Kimono Yes,Al.That's it.Which album I can find it?
It's on Full Fathom Five, but it's deleted.
Have a look on ebay for the single, the album itself is fairly hard to get hold of. Actually just look at winmx or kazaa, I'm sure you could find it there - it was a reasonably big hit. Top 3, I think?
Thanx 
Back to the issue of guitars vs. synths, NO were years ahead of anyone else regarding their use of electronics during the 80s, but now I feel that the rest of the world have caught up with them, with bands like, say the Chemicals. Not quality wise, but just regarding combining electronics and guitars. I don't think they can still push the envelope electronics-wise, if they used synths the way they did up to now they'd probably end up with another Republic. However, I feel that Joy Division weren't a finished item; a lot was left to be said after Ian's death. However, due to personal reasons more than anything else (and media pressure), they weren't able to continue from that point, so they had to go into a totally different direction. Now they seem to be able to cope with the whole Joy Division issue-they're back playing JD songs- and perhaps it would be a good idea to continue from where they've stoppeed in 1980. It wold involve some sort of electronics, but with a totally different approach. To me, it sounds very promising-Primitive Notion is among my favourite songs from Get Ready. Steve is a brilliant drummer-a shame he doesn't do live drums all the time. Hooky is probably the most innovative bass player ever. Barney has a unique way of playing guitar, he'll need some help-but that's where the guest guitarist comes in. And I've always of thought New Order as an alternative guitar band who know to use synths very well. Regarding Gillian, I'm sad to see her go, but obviously both of them can't be away form home for prolonged periods of time and we should respect their decision. Steve is founder member of the group, he's undeniably been more influential, and following that logic, he's the one that should carry on. Regarding a possible name change, they were New Order for some time before she joined...that bails them out. Just my opinion.
the reason why i started listening to new order was because of synthesizers. if they're taking the "more guitar approach" then i'm already bored. besides, you've still got 3 members in the band that are programmers. whether they feel like it or not, that is the question. mr. disco & vanishing point were my last favorite "more synth" type of songs and i doubt they can top that now the way they're going.
Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Hooky's Red Kimono > Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Mr Ben> nice reply. i assume you fit into the 'football hooligan' section of the audience?
Mr Ben, by distancing yourself from Julio's comments and labelling him a 'football hooligan' are you therefore firmly entrenching yourself in the 'spotty student' camp of New Order followers?
Talking of hooligans, HERE'S a new Doves interview in which they briefly mention New Order's fanatical following.
Al
Did you observe that after Regret live from Baywatch video there's a Doves(ex Sub-Sub)song with Melanie Williams?
Julio, this was shown over 10 years ago so I don't remember what followed New Order, sorry. I've got a vid of the NO appearance somewhere but can't remember the last time I watched that.
I presume you're talking about "Ain't No Love"? Quality track.
Presumably there are spotty football hooligans in the NO audience too...
Originally posted by g05 the reason why i started listening to new order was because of synthesizers. if they're taking the "more guitar approach" then i'm already bored.
if you're bored by their 'guitar-based' songs, then that would exclude a very large portion of their catalogue! while i was also initially attracted to NO because of their more electronic songs, i quickly grew to love their musical versatility.
One only has to listen to a song or two by The Other Two to see how much Gillian has contributed to New Order's sound. My favorite New Order songs (and the general public's also) all contain synths or keyboards in one form or another. Except for the rare use of keyboards and synths in "Someone Like You" and one or two others, I consider "Get Ready" to be one of their weakest releases. I'm not happy about Gillian being absent and I'm even more upset about New Order becoming just another "guitar-heavy" band.
were joy division not a rather "guitar heavy" band especially during their early periods?
i doubt the order would fade into a bland guitar act, perhaps a bland guitar/electronica act if they keep going until 2026.
As Michael Stipe once said "oh no ive shaved my nuts"
depends who produces the new album as to what it will sound like. If it's Osbourne again, its going to be guitar heavy, but if they go down the Chemical Brothers/Fatboy Slim (god forbid) route, it may well end up keeping a large synth/electronica influence.
Originally posted by Wayne Morris One only has to listen to a song or two by The Other Two to see how much Gillian has contributed to New Order's sound.
Is there a decent Other Two track where the keyboards do sound like New order though? I've never really listened to one of theirs, and just thought "Now, if they could just add a bass and have Barney singing then that WOULD be New Order!" However, if you'd added a bass to some of the earlier Electronic moments like Reality, Gangster and Try All You Want I think they'd all make brilliant New Order tunes.
Originally posted by Wayne Morris One only has to listen to a song or two by The Other Two to see how much Gillian has contributed to New Order's sound. My favorite New Order songs (and the general public's also) all contain synths or keyboards in one form or another. Except for the rare use of keyboards and synths in "Someone Like You" and one or two others, I consider "Get Ready" to be one of their weakest releases. I'm not happy about Gillian being absent and I'm even more upset about New Order becoming just another "guitar-heavy" band.
Ahem....Steve is the writer of the two. Gillian's own admission was that she contributed very little to the actual songwriting process, more to the quality control aspect.
