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I'm sorry if this has been discussed already, but I browsed the forum a several pages back and found nothing on that, so...
I was just curious - who's that guy on guitar with New Order on Top Of The Pops when they were... eeehm... performing Here To Stay - ?
Cheers. :)
His name's Phil Cunningham, and he's been playing with the band since Gillian left to look after her kid. A move which now looks to be permanent, by the way.
Hell of a performance on TOTP, wasn't it?;)
That "performance" kind of took away from the fact that HTS is an excellent song and one of my favs. On the topic of HTS, has anyone heard the Scumfrog dub remix of it? I found it on kazaa, and it's really a dreadful mix. It makes the song sound like bad house, and it pretty much destroys the meaning of the entire song like the "club mix" (digweed and muir mix) did for Crystal. Unfortunately, for the latter, a video was actually made for it in the States.
OK, thanks for explaining me this. He reminded me of the young guitarist from Still Crazy (anyone seen it?) by the contrast he made in the company of the "old" guys... :D
The performance... OK, it's great (only for Hooky beating those drums again), but New Order miming is what makes it e-e-eh... unforgettable, I'd say :)
As for the remixes, I think that the remix by Felix has done the track some favours (not that I'm saying it's better or anything, it's just cool).
Believe it or not, I've not heard any remixes of this track, just the 2 versions on the CD single, the 2nd of which I think is the same version as the one on 24HPP soundtrack. I don't have any wish to hear any remixes either as I doubt any would improve on this fantastic track.
Well, you've a fair point.
Speaking about remixes improving on original tracks (post-80-ss) - there aren't that many that added that extra-something to the a-sides they were accompanying. Yes, some were rather pleasant (Paul van Dyk mix of Spooky is one of my favourites), but nothing more.
Well, except Perfecto Mix of True Faith, perhaps, I still consider it better than the real thing. But that's only me. :p
Originally posted by Mr Carbohydrate OK, thanks for explaining me this. He reminded me of the young guitarist from Still Crazy (anyone seen it?) by the contrast he made in the company of the "old" guys... :DThe performance... OK, it's great (only for Hooky beating those drums again), but New Order miming is what makes it e-e-eh... unforgettable, I'd say :)As for the remixes, I think that the remix by Felix has done the track some favours (not that I'm saying it's better or anything, it's just cool).
I'm not too fond of the Felix da Housecat mix, but then again, I don't want the song to get tampered with. Really, I think that some mixes (BM88 and BLT extended dance version) still do justice to the song, but when someone completely guts a song like digweed and muir did to Crystal, I seriously dislike mixes.
Perfecto mix of True Faith is pretty good, not heard PVD's mix of Spooky.
Speaking about remixes improving on original tracks (post-80-ss) - there aren't that many that added that extra-something to the a-sides they were accompanying.
That reminds me of a chat me & a mate had at work one night while listening to an 80s show on the radio. We both agreed that remixes today are not what they once were, or as they were known then, 12" mixes. It seems that back then, they were longer versions of a good tune, whereas these days the word remix gives anyone free reign to do what they like to a song, detrimental or not.
I don't know if you can get to listen to that station on line or not, but the site is http://www.todayfm.com
If you can tune in, the 80s show is 7pm-11pm (gmt) on Fridays, which is followed by a 90s show from 11pm-2am and I would recommend 8pm-1am Sunday-Thursday when you can hear some class tracks, including ocasionally NO/JD, which is rare these days. In particular, midnight - 1am which is known as 'The Headphones Hour', first rate material. Sorry for going a bit off-topic!
Really, I think that some mixes (BM88 and BLT extended dance version) still do justice to the song, but when someone completely guts a song like digweed and muir did to Crystal, I seriously dislike mixes.
Well, Get Ready mixes that meander on and on for 5 or more minutes are nothing more than a filler to justify the single chart elegibility in England. 
...whereas these days the word remix gives anyone free reign to do what they like to a song, detrimental or not.
I agree with that, but then some excellent results do happen every now and then, don't they? (See: Confusion '2002, for example)
Thanks for the link, I'll try to log on and check it out. 
I like remixes and from what I can tell so do New Order. What I can't stand are 'instrumental' versions of songs; putting an unfinished version of a song as a 'B' side always seemed a bit lazy to me.
Originally posted by Mr Carbohydrate ...so you're not a big fan of the second CD of Substance then, Martin?
The second CD of Substance would;ve been better if "shame of the nation" and "the beach" weren't on it.
I'm sure NO love remixes - they don't have to do any extra work and they get to sell extra copies of their singles to sad twats like me!
It's a shit business this.
Originally posted by Martin Fenner I'm a sad twat too, but not so sad that I BUY New Order remixes
Well, we've got to keep Barney in pies, haven't we?
I'm sure NO love remixes - they don't have to do any extra work and they get to sell extra copies of their singles to sad twats like me!
Well, there are plenty of bands that leave the flipsides to the remixed crap all the time, we should be grateful that NO sometimes actually bother to release b-sides (btw, see the poll I've just opened on that matter).
I'm a sad twat too, but not so sad that I BUY New Order remixes
Hmmm... I would say that buying the single purely for the remixes is somewhat ill-advised. Although if New Order released the second volume of (the rest of) with the best remixes of the recent times - I'd consider buying that, to be honest. At special price.
Personally I dont think a remix will ever beat how New Order intended a song to sound like. Its someone elses take on the song and often takes out Peter Hooks fantastic bassline. That to me is scandalous. However, remixs can sometimes complement a song.
Originally posted by Alastair Martin Personally I dont think a remix will ever beat how New Order intended a song to sound like. Its someone elses take on the song and often takes out Peter Hooks fantastic bassline. That to me is scandalous. However, remixs can sometimes complement a song.
I actually think a lot of the remixes sound better than the originals. I think a good track can be re-mixed ad infinitum without losing the intent of the original (Blue Monday, True Faith, Crystal) whilst adding a new dimension to it. Have to agree with you about taking out Hooky's bass lines though, they should be pumping 'em up not leaving them out.
Originally posted by Alastair Martin Personally I dont think a remix will ever beat how New Order intended a song to sound like. Its someone elses take on the song and often takes out Peter Hooks fantastic bassline. That to me is scandalous. However, remixs can sometimes complement a song.
I love remixes not only for the fact that they can sometimes add something to the original track. Being vivid guitar music fan I always regarded remixes as somewhat of a getaway to the modern dance music.
I mean, I did like mainstream dance acts such as The Chems, Orbital or Underworld, but that's where my knowledge pretty much used to end. Being a fan of Manics I found out about (and moreover got into) David Holmes, The Avalanches and Cornelius via remixes. Being a fan of New Order I discovered The Advent and Howie B, so hey, remixes are essential for narrow-minded people like me.
I think the Felix remix of Here To Stay is awesome. A big winner in it's own right. I would say i like the versions in this order (leaving out the unecessary edits):
Extended Instrumental Felix Original Full Vocal
It was the first version i heard on Pete Tong's radio show and having enjoyed Felix's previous 12"s and LP, thought this was a perfect match. Much better in my opinion than all but the Koma and Bones mix of Confusion. Favorite Get Ready era mixes:
Crystal - Lee Coombs Here To stay - Felix tha Housecat Confusion - Koma & Bones (great mix, shame about the source material) Someone Like You - Gabriel & Dresden/FunkD'Void mixes (tie)
I can't forgive the Beeb or TOTP for having the gall to EDIT this track, missing out a whole verse and chorus, thus my full appreciation of this performance is tainted forever.
I presume this was so they could just get New Order out of the way with as quickly as possible before the next bunch of vapid pap puppets got their more deserved exposure.
(you can't be serious...)