Every Available New Order Gig???

I have been following/collecting/trading/buying New Order live tapes for over 25years and believe that I have now come to a stanstill in what is actually available. Listed below are gigs that I do NOT have. Are they available?Did they take place? The more keen observors will realise that its taken from the Water Rat Gigography and as I am in the credits at the bottom I am sure "The Rat" wont mind!! Many thanks to people I have traded with in recent years Mike,Julio(Brazil),Tracey(Austin) to name a few. If anyone can shed anylight on these I would be most appreciated.Someone somewhere MUST have that Beach Club gig,Come on Mr.Hook/Mr.Wilson look in your lofts!!!

29 July 1980 Beach Club Manchester 04 September 1980 The Warehouse Preston 21 September 1980 Maxwells Hoboken, New Jersey 27 September 1980 Hurrahs New York 28 September 1980 Pier 3 New York 11 January 1981 Rock Garden Middlesborough 16 April 1981 St.Andrews University Fife 05 November 1981 Country Club Reseda, California 10 November 1981 Berkeley, California 20 November 1981 Peppermint Lounge New York 21 November 1981 Trenton, New Jersey 12 April 1982 Staargebouv Maastricht 05 June 1982 Provinssirock Festival Seinajoki, Finland April '83 Aula Maxima Galway 30 June 1983 The Metro Chicago 01 August 1983 Beacon Theatre New York 26 April 1985 Canton (Club) Hong Kong 17 August 1985 ??? Salt Lake City 08 November 1986 Berkeley Community Theatre Nov-86 ??? Salt Lake City 11 November 1986 CU Events Centre Boulder 21 November 1986 Aragon Theatre Chicago 07 December 1986 Opera House Boston 13 December 1986 Tampa Bay Theatre TampaBay ???Plaza de Toros Valencia 13 August 1987 Northrup Auditorium Minneapolis 15 August 1987 Pine Knob Ammpitheatre Clarkston,Michigan 16 August 1987 Popular Creek Music Theatre Chicago 18 August 1987 Mansfield GWA Boston 01 September 1987 University Montreal 04 September 1987 Darien Lakes Buffalo 09 September 1987 ??? Salt Lake City 11 September 1987 ??? San Diego 15 September 1987 ComptonTerrace Pheonix 19 September 1987 Greek Theatre Berkeley 30 November 1988 Olympia Sao Paulo 01 December 1988 Ibiraquera Sao Paulo 02 December 1988 Ibiraquera Sao Paulo 1989 Carrowinds Theme Park North Carolina 11 April 1989 Knight Centre Miami 12 April 1989 Bayfront Arena St.Petersburg 14 April 1989 O'Connell Centre Gainsville 21 April 1989 Astroworld Houston 30 April 1989 Santa Barbara County Bowl Santa Barbara 03 May 1989 Paramount Theatre Seattle 04 May 1989 Queen Elizabeth Theatre Vancouver 21 June 1989 ??? Salt Lake City 25 June 1989 Sandstone Ampitheatre Bonner Springs, Kansas 27 June 1989 ??? Minneapolis 01 July 1989 ??? Detroit 03 July 1989 ??? Pittsburgh 05 July 1989 Blossom Music Centre Cleveland, Ohio 21 July 1993 Starplex Ampitheatre Dallas 26 July 1993 Hollywood Bowl Hollywood 09 July 1993 World Music Theatre Chicago 02 August 1993 Merriweather Post Pavillion Columbia 04 August 1993 Brendan Byrne Arena East Rutherfprd, New Jersey 08 October 2001 Barrowlands Glasgow 30 January 2002 Metro Melbourne 25 June 2002 Lansdowne Road Dublin

Dave

What about this ?

Nov 25, 1988 Rio de Janeiro, BR Maracanazinho

Due next week.

Originally posted by The Him Due next week.

Serious ???

Don't forget mine

18 August 1987 Mansfield GWA Boston 01 September 1987 University Montreal 04 September 1987 Darien Lakes Buffalo 19 September 1987 Greek Theatre Berkeley

I've got these and the Peppermint Lounge 81 show starting me in the face as I type !

Originally posted by KnownPleasures 18 August 1987 Mansfield GWA Boston01 September 1987 University Montreal04 September 1987 Darien Lakes Buffalo19 September 1987 Greek Theatre BerkeleyI've got these and the Peppermint Lounge 81 show starting me in the face as I type !

As I told you a few days ago,Dave

18/1/2002 New Zealand has arrived,but missing Blue Monday.

Ok,Tim

What you wanna say about this?

Like to trade with Known Pleasures..what do you want/require??

The Berkely gig is not the one with Anarchy in UK on right? Also I understand they did two gigs at Peppermint is this correct? I have the one with Ina Lonely Place,Dreams,Chosen,ICB,Senses,Denial.EGG,Hurt,Tempt. Is your one different?

Danny Wengorz is sending me this :

04 September 1987 Darien Lakes Buffalo

Originally posted by The Him Like to trade with Known Pleasures..what do you want/require??The Berkely gig is not the one with Anarchy in UK on right?Also I understand they did two gigs at Peppermint is this correct? I have the one with Ina Lonely Place,Dreams,Chosen,ICB,Senses,Denial.EGG,Hurt,Tempt. Is your one different?

They are all in a box at the moment - see the thread about moving house !! I've got both nights at Berkeley 87, one began with Touched, the other with Ceremony. We've got the same Peppermint by the looks of it - I suspect they only did the one night there. E-mail me for trade etc - I'm a bit snowed under at the moment though with moving etc, it may take me a few days to get anywhere !

Originally posted by Sítio do Pica-Pau Amarelo > Originally posted by KnownPleasures 18 August 1987 Mansfield GWA Boston01 September 1987 University Montreal04 September 1987 Darien Lakes Buffalo19 September 1987 Greek Theatre BerkeleyI've got these and the Peppermint Lounge 81 show starting me in the face as I type !

As I told you a few days ago,Dave

18/1/2002 New Zealand has arrived,but missing Blue Monday.

Ok,Tim

What you wanna say about this?

I'd say leaving Blue Monday off improves the quality of the CD !!

Will e-mail youdirectly regarding trade. Happy house moving!!..if there is such a thing! Julio, yes I will have the Rio gig in about a week or so....however its only 20mins long but I think thats the best you are gonna get.

What I wanted to know from this posting is what Unknown has come accross....did they actually play that date? These are from the Water Rats gigo as I said previous, but I know he just put the dates in from loads of sources and whos to say they ever played or if they were recorded. Berlin Sonntage is another example (was not aware this was a remix of 2 gigs until Unknown corrected me)

Originally posted by The Him Will e-mail youdirectly regarding trade. Happy house moving!!..if there is such a thing! Julio, yes I will have the Rio gig in about a week or so....however its only 20mins long but I think thats the best you are gonna get.What I wanted to know from this posting is what Unknown has come accross....did they actually play that date? These are from the Water Rats gigo as I said previous, but I know he just put the dates in from loads of sources and whos to say they ever played or if they were recorded. Berlin Sonntage is another example (was not aware this was a remix of 2 gigs until Unknown corrected me)

Dave

The 20 min gig is this one :

Saturday Dec 03, 1988 - Sao Paulo, Brazil

1 Ceremony
2 Touched by the Hand of God
3 True Faith
4 Subculture
5 Dreams Never End
6 Your Silent Face

Be careful,someone could be deceiving you.

Thanks Julio. I have the Paulo gig. Just clarifying the track listing for Rio gig. Will keep you informed.

David

Originally posted by The Him Thanks Julio. I have the Paulo gig. Just clarifying the track listing for Rio gig. Will keep you informed.David

Hi David send me details of this GIG (Track list). Marcanazinho? Really?

Still awaiting reply on gig listing etc for Rio gig. Can anyone confirm if any of the gigs listed on my list are bogus (did not happen) or know if recordings are available. I know the gig at Hurrahs in 1980 was videoed, so there must be someone who has audio/video of this one.

About - Auckland 18-01-02 - The reason it's missing Blue Monday is that we only took one minidisc and it ran out of space after about a minute of Blue Monday.

They made heaps of mistakes during this show. They looked like they hadn't played for a while. I have some pictures from this show somewhere.

Originally posted by 586 How about - Auckland 18-01-02?

Hi Matthew

Thanks for the gig mate

Hope you like your 2 cds I sent.

I had already mentioned above here ;)

David asked me a copy for him too

I have 3 that you don't have. Kilkenny 83 not bad ay all dublin 85(or 86) drunk band Belfast QUB 85( or 86)drunk band, drunker audience

steve@absolutely-foobar.co.uk

gimme a shout if u wanna trade, might have a couple of others as well.

Steve, I have them or was your message to Julio?

Hi Julio,

Found the pictures, I can post them here if anyones interested...

just have to ftp them up to my site first.

These are from Auckland 18-1-02 - If you look carefully you can see Barney reading (singing really) from the autocue onstage.

I've kept it to one (there are 6) as I don't want to clog up the site. Don't know which song this is. Actually I have a bunch of photos from 23-5-85 too but none of them are scanned.

Originally posted by 586 Hi Julio,Found the pictures, I can post them here if anyones interested...just have to ftp them up to my site first.These are from Auckland 18-1-02 - If you look carefully you can see Barney reading (singing really) from the autocue onstage.

Matthew

I took some pictures at Finsbury Park last year too.I was right in front of the stage.

I can send you some of them if you want.Do you still have my adress?Send yours via e-mail to me,please.I'd like your very nice photos from Auckland 1985 and 2002.

Originally posted by Steve Campbell I have 3 that you don't have.Kilkenny 83 not bad ay alldublin 85(or 86) drunk bandBelfast QUB 85( or 86)drunk band, drunker audiencemailto:steve@absolutely-foobar.co.ukgimme a shout if u wanna trade, might have a couple of others as well.

Steve

Can you write here the correct dates of these concerts,please.

I send you my list via e-mail.

Originally posted by The Him 08 October 2001 Barrowlands Glasgow

If that's the second night, then I managed to b/l it myself. Only trouble is, I've lost the bloody thing since.

Originally posted by The Him Steve, I have them or was your message to Julio?

Sorry, it WAS to you ,was posting from work, I was half asleep, thought those were what you HAD.Working nights sucks ass. Would love to see a list of what you DO have. A long time ago ( late 80's) I was trading gigs in record collector and melody maker, a norwegian guy ( jan erik something I think) sent me a booklet with every gig listed, including whether it was booted, the quality and whether or ot he had it. Lost the damned thing though, which is a shame as it was a valuable resource.

Originally posted by Sítio do Pica-Pau Amarelo > Originally posted by Steve Campbell> I have 3 that you don't have.> Kilkenny 83 not bad ay all> dublin 85(or 86) drunk band> Belfast QUB 85( or 86)drunk band, drunker audience> > mailto:steve@absolutely-foobar.co.uk> > gimme a shout if u wanna trade, might have a couple of others as well.

Steve

Can you write here the correct dates of these concerts,please.

I send you my list via e-mail. I'll get back to you ASAP, in work at the min so have no access to gigs, but I got your mail and list. The kilkenny gig rocks, the Belfast one is pretty ropey sounding, but SUCH an atmosphere ( we party hard here in between bombs), lots of choral singing. Sadly I wish I had a tape of the Cocteau Twins support set....A mate of mine was there, and apparently ppl were spitting on them....Liz says "if you bastards spit once more, we're going off".....dumb move, the front 5 rows openned up in unison. Guess they were just tired of all those years of waiting to see NO ( bastards only played here once, and I was too young to attend)

Anyone know where I can get a good quality version of THE WESTERN WORKS DEMO? Preferably on CD!

I'm also after all 1980 - 81 gigs, apart from The Roxy, Stockholm & Glastonbury 81. I also already have Scamps 80 & The Squat 80, but I would rather have higher quality soundboard recordings of those gigs as mine are just audience recordings, thats if they exist!

I love NEW ORDER'S very early stuff, so if anyone could help me out, I would very much appreciate it!

Yes it is the 2nd night. Has anyone got this on audio??