New Order's money $$$

Was it shared in three or four parts inside the band ?

God only know how Gillian got an equal share. Did she make the tea also?

MIke

Originally posted by Mike Garrity God only know how Gillian got an equal share. Did she make the tea also?MIke

Mike, I reckon she pulled in a few punters on her own, so she deserves every penny as far as I'm concerned.

5 ways. Rob was 20% of the band.

It's academic because it all got spent on the Hacienda anyway!

(By the way, Mike is looking foxier every day, don'tcha think?)

Originally posted by Mike Garrity God only know how Gillian got an equal share. Did she make the tea also?MIke

Oh do come on Mike. Is she not worthy of at least that on her guitar performance on Ceremony on Taras Shev alone? :D

Gillian 'Seiko' Gilbert.

DM

How much money does each band member have now?

What business is it of anyone's?

They should have enough to live comfortably and of course cash will continue to roll in 'cos JD and NO product will always sell.

Remember the Hac has been gone for about a decade now and all accounts there closed and I'd imagine therefore NO's financial responsibilities.

I'd expect that Unknown pleasures will do about 200,000 copies in the 25th year of it's release and provided it gets a push should bring in a pleasant sum.

Originally posted by Spotnick So when you think about it, 50% of the band's money would go to Steve & Gillian?I've always wondered how it works.. I know the bands always state everybody participate in the creation process, but still, if I were in a band, the factor of "would the band survive without that member?" would be the main factor... (?)..Like, what would U2 be without Bono?But in New Order's case, we clearly saw Barney & Hooky had a good potention outside of New Order (The Other Two had a few good songs, but not as solid as the other side projects), but they still are better together.Anyways, at one moment, it was probably 80% Factory, 20% the band

Five members (4 in band plus management) means that Steve and Gillian got 40% of the amount the band chose to pay themselves. Obviously a lot went into things like a studio, a club, a bar, Ryder's nose......

U2 without Bono would still be shit

Originally posted by U2 without Bono would still be shit

One of the wisest sentences I saw here in the Forum.

Must have to be you Italian Tim

'we clearly saw Barney & Hooky had a good potention outside of New Order (The Other Two had a few good songs, but not as solid as the other side projects'

Revenge/Monaco...solid what exactly?

The opening bars of the first Electronic album illustrate perfectly where the talent lays.

Just my opinion of course.

DM

Originally posted by David Molyneux 'we clearly saw Barney & Hooky had a good potention outside of New Order (The Other Two had a few good songs, but not as solid as the other side projects'

potention? I like that pretend word; maybe I will start using it myself

I am willing to accept that all member of NO contributed equally, as they often stated. What was missing from Get Ready if not Gillian's sublime synth playing.

Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch I am willing to accept that all member of NO contributed equally, as they often stated. What was missing from Get Ready if not Gillian's sublime synth playing.

What are you, the crap synth playing Nazi ? :D

Originally posted by > Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch> I am willing to accept that all member of NO contributed equally, as they often stated. What was missing from Get Ready if not Gillian's sublime synth playing.

What are you, the crap synth playing Nazi ? :D

No,

It is a highly skilled job inserting floppy's into an emulator, Gillian must be loaded.

Originally posted by Mike Garrity It is a highly skilled job inserting floppy's into an emulator, Gillian must be loaded.

Are you saying that Gillian just inserts other people's floppy's? On stage?

The band were, at least once, millionaires. Part of the London deal in early 1993 included a back payment of all outstanding royalties Factory hadn't yet paid (a sizable sum, to say the least). That said, by early 1995, Hooky was a few grand overdrawn, according to his NME questionnaire.

They did it for the "free drinks"

;)

It all went on Pernod

It all went on Pernod

Originally posted by David Molyneux 'we clearly saw Barney & Hooky had a good potention outside of New Order (The Other Two had a few good songs, but not as solid as the other side projects'Revenge/Monaco...solid what exactly?The opening bars of the first Electronic album illustrate perfectly where the talent lays.Just my opinion of course.DM

How do you know Johnny Marr never wrote the the opening bars of the first Electronic album?

Originally posted by Marcus Germanicus > Originally posted by David Molyneux> 'we clearly saw Barney & Hooky had a good potention outside of New Order (The Other Two had a few good songs, but not as solid as the other side projects'> > Revenge/Monaco...solid what exactly?> > The opening bars of the first Electronic album illustrate perfectly where the talent lays.> > Just my opinion of course.> > DM

How do you know Johnny Marr never wrote the the opening bars of the first Electronic album?

Probably because they were found on New Order's AppleMac.....and had been intended as New Order songs.

Originally posted by > Originally posted by Marcus Germanicus> > > > Originally posted by David Molyneux> > 'we clearly saw Barney & Hooky had a good potention outside of New Order (The Other Two had a few good songs, but not as solid as the other side projects'> > > > Revenge/Monaco...solid what exactly?> > > > The opening bars of the first Electronic album illustrate perfectly where the talent lays.> > > > Just my opinion of course.> > > > DM>

How do you know Johnny Marr never wrote the the opening bars of the first Electronic album?

Probably because they were found on New Order's AppleMac.....and had been intended as New Order songs. Probably because they were found on The Smiths AppleMac....and intended for The Smiths songs! and don't forget the first few bars of the first Electronic album are played on guitar! plus, the style of guitar playing is not exactly Barney's! so there!

Without wishing to urinate on your pyre, the tracks from the first Electronic album were indeed found on New Order's Mac when it was won in a competition after the release of Technique. Barney had written them and intended them to be used as New Order songs. Ask Jonny Lucas for full details, he has the Mac in his possession. There's a full thread about it on here in the archive if you care to look.

Originally posted by Barney had written them and intended them to be used as New Order songs.

This was also commented in portuguese/spanish forum.Gangster in this case.

Originally posted by Without wishing to urinate on your pyre, the tracks from the first Electronic album were indeed found on New Order's Mac when it was won in a competition after the release of Technique. Barney had written them and intended them to be used as New Order songs. Ask Jonny Lucas for full details, he has the Mac in his possession. There's a full thread about it on here in the archive if you care to look.

Without wishing to shit on your wig, I was only referring to the first few bars of the first song on the first Electronic album. I don't know anything about this Mac competition business and to be quite honest it sounds like a lot of bullshit. And besides, EVEN if those songs were on this Mac, they were probably rough demo's that don't sound anthing like the finished PRODUCED article. There are books about recording popular music in most decent bookshops if you care to look. Also if Barney wrote all the songs for the first Electronic LP why does it say "All songs written by Bernard Summer and Johnny Marr" on my CD?

I wonder how New Order's sixth album (let's say they titled it "Electronic") would have shaped up had they not went their separate ways. Not as simple as replacing all the Marr riffs with Hooklines, but I think had Factory not been fucked up, this album would have been collossal, judging by the pieces left behind in the first releases of the individual members. Republic was only a shadow of what they may have been able to accomplish.

It might also explain why the first Electronic album sounds little like the following ones, as perhaps Johnny Marr was not involved as much in the songwriting, but was just laying guitar tracks to music Bernard had worked on, at least in the original incarnation of the release. Wasn't there a "pre-mix" version of Electronic that had supposedly leaked out?

Just my barely-informed speculation, take it as you will...

Well, it's all a matter of taste, but I think songs like What Do You Want From Me, Shine and possibly Kashmere are as solid as New Order songs...

As good as they are, they're ultimately derivative. There's no way around that fact, sadly.

I was recently relistening to the second Monaco album...

Give Black Rain another listen. That's easily the best song off the overlooked second album, with an amazing bass riff. I think Monaco would have been much better if they had replaced Bert's Theme and Ballroom with a couple of the b-sides instead. And who does the backing vocals on "It's A Boy"? Nothing listed in the credits.

Sure, it's diluted, but it was still a good quick fix for the New Order addiction.

Yeah, that's a good way of putting it...back to those second album tracks...

I've Got A Feeling is the feeling you have when you've nicked the bassline off Weirdo one too many times. Still a hell of a feeling, though.

A Life Apart is the 24k version of Revenge's 14k. Ace.

See-Saw's chorus feels awfully close to Electronic's Until The End Of Time. Or it's a imperfect kiss from once-Sweet Lips.

I don't care much about Revenge though...

You mean Revenge, pre-Potts, eh? I actually like them quite a bit. To each their own...

Junk/Ultra/Sweet Lips/See-Saw and the cover of the Bee Gee's You Should Be Dancing are indicative of...well, Hooky put out more tubthumpers than Barney and the OT combined, who would have predicted that one?

--Sam