from cock to kiss

This may have been raised before, but I couldn't find any specific reference (I'm not Ricardo !) so I'm asking anyway:

At Royal Festival Hall the TPK was played for the first time i.e. the Cock version. They didn't play it at the next gig at Paradiso 3 days later, but they opened with it in Leicester a week later. What was that version like? Had it progressed to the 'proper' version? Was it an instant change or was it a slow progression? Plenty dates after the RFH but the next one I've got is in December 1985 by which time it definitely was the version we all know and love.

I was at the RFH great gig!, also you have email

Originally posted by Geri This may have been raised before, but I couldn't find any specific reference (I'm not Ricardo !) so I'm asking anyway:At Royal Festival Hall the TPK was played for the first time i.e. the Cock version. They didn't play it at the next gig at Paradiso 3 days later, but they opened with it in Leicester a week later. What was that version like? Had it progressed to the 'proper' version? Was it an instant change or was it a slow progression? Plenty dates after the RFH but the next one I've got is in December 1985 by which time it definitely was the version we all know and love.

It was a gradual progression. Leicester, Birmingham and Bristol were all similar to RFH (though with more accurate lyrics by and large), and by the time it reached Spain it was nearly done. The UK August 84 Tour was nearly the finished article, only some synth sequences and a bit of drum machine that changed.

if only they'd bring it back into the set!

Originally posted by devastating dave if only they'd bring it back into the set!

Apparently, they (Steve?) can't be arsed to program it into their current equipment...

On a related note, I have been wondering lately whether RFH was the very first occasion that Bernard made a public statement about that particular feature of his anatomy?

Originally posted by little boy lost On a related note, I have been wondering lately whether RFH was the very first occasion that Bernard made a public statement about that particular feature of his anatomy?

Maybe the infamous Warsaw-era yell from Barney ("You all forgot Rudolph Hess!") in a perverse way could be a nickname for his..gear

I think not

thanks Tim, now you've got me wanting to collect all 16 gigs in 84 following the debut. It would be much easier though if someone was to make a compilation with just those tracks on it ...

Mike, thanks for your list. I see you've got all 16 ....

Originally posted by little boy lost > Originally posted by devastating dave> if only they'd bring it back into the set!

Apparently, they (Steve?) can't be arsed to program it into their current equipment... Lazy bastards ignoring their best song. Good thing we'd all like to hear Blue Monday for the 100,000th time.

Originally posted by Geri thanks Tim, now you've got me wanting to collect all 16 gigs in 84 following the debut. It would be much easier though if someone was to make a compilation with just those tracks on it ...Mike, thanks for your list. I see you've got all 16 ....

You don't seriously want every live version of Perfect Kiss in 1984 do you ?

I've got nothing better to do at the moment :D twas just a thought, you know, to follow the changes ...

There's only really three perceivable changes. I can do them all easily enough for you onto two CDs, but not for at least a week !

Originally posted by Joey Division There's only really three perceivable changes. I can do them all easily enough for you onto two CDs, but not for at least a week !

If you can tell me which ones have the most notable changes out of the 16 then I'll know what to aim for ...

Originally posted by Geri > Originally posted by Joey Division> There's only really three perceivable changes. I can do them all easily enough for you onto two CDs, but not for at least a week !

If you can tell me which ones have the most notable changes out of the 16 then I'll know what to aim for ...

I'll have to dig them all out myself and listen again !

Man, I'd like to have a listen to those. Anyone have the lyrics to "cock?"

Which brings up a question. Do they use gigs as tests because they do not practice enough or do they experiment with new songs during gigs as a treat for the crowd? Or is it because they are all together and wtf lets work on the new one? Whatever the reason it is wonderful to hear songs in their early form.

its not your fault, its not your fault

Originally posted by devastating dave if only they'd bring it back into the set!

If only they'd bring it back to Spain!!

Originally posted by Joey Division > Originally posted by Geri> > > > Originally posted by Joey Division> > There's only really three perceivable changes. I can do them all easily enough for you onto two CDs, but not for at least a week !>

If you can tell me which ones have the most notable changes out of the 16 then I'll know what to aim for ...

I'll have to dig them all out myself and listen again !

if it's a lot of hassle, don't bother

All dug out and raring to go !

Really the Leicester '84 and Salford '85 shows are the only rdically different versions.

Agreed. The Salford version was a take on Kiss of Death, the only time they played TPK that way live. Some people thought it was some sort of equipment malfunction that led them to play it like that, but if you listen it sounds pretty well rehearsed to me. Salford was the only rdically different take in '85. In '84 you can hear the dramatic evolution from M1 (work in progress) to Leicester (around 80% there) in the space of a week, then a gradual change through to Heaven (around 95%).

I've got a cock, it looks like the M1 It's long and thin,it curls about There's crashes on it and service stations too.

O, Iv'e got a cock like the M1, Like the M1, live the Mmmmm 1

Class

Mike

Sorry missed a bit

I've got a cock, it looks like the M1 It's long and thin, it's got a white line down it It curls about, it curls about There's crashes on it and service stations too.

O, Iv'e got a cock like the M1, Like the M1, like the Mmmmm 1

Poetic class

Mike

Kissing is underated.

Wonder what Juliette kisses like :kiss: :kiss:

Originally posted by Mike Garrity Wonder what Juliette kisses like :kiss: :kiss:

Beautiful, my good man.

But the rest of it is hard to understand..

This is the story of me and you, no one else... This is the Eastside and this is the Westside I saw you infront of my house... you had a knife, its not your own fault

Like most of the working songs in progress, too many lyrics foir him to sing so he weeds them out. Too bad because many gems are lost.

she says it goes up down up down in out in out...

Originally posted by Mike Garrity Sorry missed a bitI've got a cock, it looks like the M1It's long and thin, it's got a white line down itIt curls about, it curls aboutThere's crashes on it and service stations too.O, Iv'e got a cock like the M1, Like the M1, like the Mmmmm 1Poetic classMike

now Juliette would be impressed with such poetry, wouldn't she

Originally posted by twist But the rest of it is hard to understand..This is the story of me and you, no one else...This is the Eastside and this is the WestsideI saw you infront of my house... you had a knife, its not your own faultLike most of the working songs in progress, too many lyrics foir him to sing so he weeds them out. Too bad because many gems are lost.she says it goes up down up down in out in out...

you've done better than me I could only work out 'you had a shotgun, you had a knife ..'

This is the last night night for me and you both of us, just with you Of all the things we need some now Before the end comes to our house

this is the east side, this is the west side I saw you in front of my house You had a shotgun, you had a knife you blew me...

How could you cut in front of me You said 'I saw you right there in the show" I won't get up...wants gas?...

Artificiality X 6

Look to the right I saw my ride You saw me with her long legs You said 'I am at last on my own"

its not your own fault....

Just out of curiousity, how big is an M1?

About 200 Miles, now thats a big cock, bigger than Peter North's

No wonder Barney doesn't wear any underwear.

thanks Robin and Marko for the tips. Twist and myself are still struggling with the lyrics but we'll get there ! Tim, not quite sure what you've decided to do here: 'raring to go' ?! Taking time off first to celebrate Hogmanay, have a good one everyone

Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be Just out of curiousity, how big is an M1?

The M1 is a motorway (freeway) that links London & Leeds (seems like i've been here before )

Nottingham 84 gig on Floyd site has an interesting version of TPK. Still has the 'do do a do' instead of "my friend saved his final breath." "We believe in the chosen few." Also a repeat of the chorus during the instrumental orgasims after the last verse. Sound quality quite good, btw.

TY Floyd

Freeway - but not for long me thinks

Twist, have you heard Leicester 84? Received a copy today (thanks Simon ). Different lyrics again, and no chance of deciphering these, quality isn't too great. Didn't get any further than the opening lines which are You gave me the perfect kiss You gave me the kiss of death ... this one's gonna be filed under unsolved mysteries, me thinks.

There's a couple of other early versions on their way to you Geri as well....

Geri, Get the Nottingham 84 gig from Floyd's server. Good quality. Structurally almost done although the organiztion of the last verse still is floating around. Extra vocals instead of guitars after last verse.

We believe and know that it's true We believe in the choosen few.

IF you could zip that Leicester 84 version up and email it to me I'd be grateful. Love to hear it.

PYRTWIST1@MCHSI.COM

Originally posted by twist Geri, Get the Nottingham 84 gig from Floyd's server. Good quality. Structurally almost done although the organiztion of the last verse still is floating around. Extra vocals instead of guitars after last verse.We believe and know that it's trueWe believe in the choosen few.IF you could zip that Leicester 84 version up and email it to me I'd be grateful. Love to hear it.PYRTWIST1@MCHSI.COM

It's on good old fashioned tape I'm afraid. I'll ask the expert here to convert it for me and I send it, probably tomorrow.

Originally posted by KnownPleasures There's a couple of other early versions on their way to you Geri as well....

Nothing wrong with tapes. Still use cassettes for my car although I bought a $29 USD cd/mps player with car adapter. No skipping and if it gets stolen, I am down only $29.

mmm sounds a bit like a 'quote' from the young ones book from allegedly John Noakes 'my cock is bigger than the M25' if I can remember it correctly...

Chris, I've just sent you Leicester 84, hope it reaches you ok. Let me know please.

Real pissed off at the moment: signed onto Floyds server - no problem found Nottingham 84 - no problem started download - no problem waited 40 minutes - no problem

then Deek got home, managed to lose the downloaded file and I haven't been able to log on to Floyds server ever since ... guess who's in the doghouse tonight then

I'll zip up TPK from Nottingham and email it to you. Be sure to dl the whole gig sometime, it's quite good. Also get the Rose Hill Hotel gig from his site, great show, good quality, too.

TY TY TY I got mail

Part 1 of the quest is almost over. We have the RFH May 14, 84 debut of the song and the second time it was played, Leicester May 21st plus the Nottingham June 4th near completion performance. Missing are the Birmingham June 3 and Bristol June 5 but I imagine that those performances are similar to the Nottingham version. My next recording is from the August 15, 84 Sunderland gig. This is 99% complete--Barney adds guitar after the last verse. Lyrics are the same as in the single and video with the exception of "my friend saved his final breath" which is still the "do do a doo." There probably changes with the sequencers and bass that I have not descerned having only listened to 1984 versions.

But what I think we need to find is a performance between early June and mid August of 1984. This would be found in the June 27th Southhampton gig or the mini-tour of Spain on July 5,6,7,10. The Valecia July 5 show would be choice because they opened with The Him.

got your mail today, thanks Chris. haven't given it a serious listen yet: footie and noisy kids, my usual Sunday so far.
Tim's sending me some stuff, maybe some of the ones you mention are on it. If they are, I'll send them !

now listening for the third time, I love this one although so far none of them beats the very first one.

by the way, any idea who the guy is that keeps shouting CEREMONY all throughout the Leicester gig, Mr Jarvis perhaps ?! :D

Yep, the Nottingham PK is great probably because the recording of it is at a B+ level as far as boots go. But the RFH PK has the one time only lyrics that make the song that much more magical.

Musical archeology.

I noticed that the crowds at UK NO shows are very vocal. I was listening to a boot from another band who played in the US and the audience is screaming like its the Beatles unlike NO gigs where they yell like a bunch of drunks thinking NO played requests.

The thing with shouting out requests is that you get to hear yourself on the bootleg !

Ever wondered who it was shouting "We All Stand" at many UK gigs between 1983 and 1986 ? None other than Mr Alex Staszko !

The only one you can really hear me on is Brum 86 when I managed to guess the correct next track !

Originally posted by twist This is the last night night for me and you both of us, just with you Of all the things we need some now Before the end comes to our house

This is about a man called me and you A night for us, just with you Of all the things we need some now Before the end comes to our home

this is the east side, this is the west side I saw you in front of my house You had a shotgun, you had a knife you blew me...

This is the first time, this is the last time I saw you in front of my house You had a shotgun, you had a knife You shot(?) at me and killed my wife

How could you cut in front of me You said 'I saw you right there in the show" I won't get up...wants gas?...

How did you get your name in front of me? Cuz I found you like I knew I should I won't get laid with them...cuz belsen was a gas...

Artificiality X 6

Look to the right I saw my ride You saw me with her long legs You said 'I am at last on my own"

'I looked' instead of 'look' but otherwise right

its not your own fault....

x4

I've got a cock, it looks like the M1 It's long and thin, it's got a white line down it It curls about, it curls about There's crashes on it and service stations too.

Not so sure he says 'crashes on it' (definitely no 'it' in that line)...sounds closer to 'grass hills'...

O, Iv'e got a cock like the M1, Like the M1, like the Mmmmm 1

Absolute magic when the melody of the lyrics and the bass slide together.

Poetic class

Ace encores: Digital and Blue Monday Listen for the belch!

--Sam

Originally posted by little boy lost Apparently, they (Steve?) can't be arsed to program it into their current equipment...

Err... MIDI

Originally posted by Dave Fox Originally posted by little boy lostApparently, they (Steve?) can't be arsed to program it into their current equipment...

Err... MIDI

Do we accept Roger Lyonsrock at his word here?

Wasn't he responsible for that horrid remix of 1963 that made Armand Van Helden's butchering of BLT looks like a work of genius in comparison?

Say Geri, whats i gots to do to get a copy of that disc??

Twist, looks like you missed my other thread ! I'm still waiting on your address :)

Geri, aren't you supposed to be having a ball in London--can't do without your NOOL fix, Hee hee :D