Deducing the Favourite NO track of all time - part 5 - Brotherhood :karate:

Due to the large response to these polls I am managing to get them out quite frequently.

Before anyone moans - State of the Nation IS NOT on Brotherhood - it was a bonus track on the CD!

Way of Life for me.

Toss up...very hard choice here Slippy But I went in favor of Weirdo...by a hair. But I real like the whole album. I may get some grief over this, but it is my humble opinion that BLT (while not bad mind you) is the worst track on BH. That's the gist!!

Every little counts, again this was a vinyl purchase and in terms of just makin me smile, its gotta be this. Ya see Mrs garymac sings out of key, yet on this track, it matters not a jot when she joins in... no idea why

As it was when it had a better title.

All Day Long, one of their most sublime and majestic songs.

Well well well. This album again. The let-down. Half-produced half-songs, a band low on ideas.

Paradise - poor parody of older numbers with banal lyrics. Weirdo - stripped bare of any power it may have had live As It Is When It Was - half-decent version Broken Promise - same as Weirdo, they gutted the song Way of Life - a pisstake of several of their older songs BLT - the only one they actually got right All Day Long - should have been an instrumental. Cringeworthy lyrics and vocal delivery. Angel Dust - not bad, better live than on record though. Every Little Counts - abject embarrassment. A fookin' sad way to end a disappointing album. The joke was on all us coonts who paid them money for it !

I voted BLT.

Originally posted by KnownPleasures Well well well. This album again. The let-down. Half-produced half-songs, a band low on ideas.Paradise - poor parody of older numbers with banal lyrics.Weirdo - stripped bare of any power it may have had liveAs It Is When It Was - half-decent versionBroken Promise - same as Weirdo, they gutted the songWay of Life - a pisstake of several of their older songsBLT - the only one they actually got rightAll Day Long - should have been an instrumental. Cringeworthy lyrics and vocal delivery.Angel Dust - not bad, better live than on record though.Every Little Counts - abject embarrassment. A fookin' sad way to end a disappointing album. The joke was on all us coonts who paid them money for it !I voted BLT.

Ouch!! C'mon...it wasn't that bad!!

This was a rushed album hence the poor quality but the stand out for me was Angel Dust. BLT has been overplayed live now. I still liked ADL though. ELC was a waste of vinyl hated it!

Originally posted by KnownPleasures Well well well. This album again. The let-down. Half-produced half-songs, a band low on ideas.Paradise - poor parody of older numbers with banal lyrics.Weirdo - stripped bare of any power it may have had liveAs It Is When It Was - half-decent versionBroken Promise - same as Weirdo, they gutted the songWay of Life - a pisstake of several of their older songsBLT - the only one they actually got rightAll Day Long - should have been an instrumental. Cringeworthy lyrics and vocal delivery.Angel Dust - not bad, better live than on record though.Every Little Counts - abject embarrassment. A fookin' sad way to end a disappointing album. The joke was on all us coonts who paid them money for it !I voted BLT.

erm .... did you like the cover ?

Originally posted by Chunks > Originally posted by KnownPleasures Well well well. This album again. The let-down. Half-produced half-songs, a band low on ideas.Paradise - poor parody of older numbers with banal lyrics.Weirdo - stripped bare of any power it may have had liveAs It Is When It Was - half-decent versionBroken Promise - same as Weirdo, they gutted the songWay of Life - a pisstake of several of their older songsBLT - the only one they actually got rightAll Day Long - should have been an instrumental. Cringeworthy lyrics and vocal delivery.Angel Dust - not bad, better live than on record though.Every Little Counts - abject embarrassment. A fookin' sad way to end a disappointing album. The joke was on all us coonts who paid them money for it !I voted BLT.

Ouch!! C'mon...it wasn't that bad!!

It was ! I have never felt so disappointed by this band than I did when I slapped that bit of vinyl on for the first time. I'd known half of these songs in a live setting for well over a year, and all the power of the live rendition had been sucked out of them on record. Gutted.

At the time I played Turn The Heater On from the Peel Sessions more than Brotherhood.

Originally posted by KnownPleasures Well well well. This album again. The let-down. Half-produced half-songs, a band low on ideas.

Wow. I actually go through phases where I think this might be my favorite. I snap out of it quickly, but there are those moments. There's some sublime stuff on here All day long, BLT, Way of life, Paradise (I always thought this sounded like the pointer sisters circa 1980). For me I think it and Technique are the 2 albums whose songs are better on record than they are live. It's like the sleek (over)production masks the unfinished nature of the song. Anyway, I like most of the songs on this album and the one I like the most is All Day Long. Tough vote as unlike on Low-life and TPK, this is the best version of BLT.

Originally posted by robin > Originally posted by KnownPleasures Well well well. This album again. The let-down. Half-produced half-songs, a band low on ideas.

Wow. I actually go through phases where I think this might be my favorite. I snap out of it quickly, but there are those moments. There's some sublime stuff on here All day long, BLT, Way of life, Paradise (I always thought this sounded like the pointer sisters circa 1980). For me I think it and Technique are the 2 albums whose songs are better on record than they are live. It's like the sleek (over)production masks the unfinished nature of the song. Anyway, I like most of the songs on this album and the one I like the most is All Day Long. Tough vote as unlike on Low-life and TPK, this is the best version of BLT.

A badly produced album (just listen to Angel Dust) but it provided a couple of NO highlights including BLT and my personal favourite PARADISE.

DM

BLT for me. No other track comes close, although Angel Dust is another of those low-profile NO album tracks, like Ultraviolence, which come to life "live".

Voted for Way of Life here, but BLT almost made it.

Paradise - easy really.

Discounting BLT, the best track here has to be Angel Dust, so that's what I went with. But most all of the tracks are decent listens. One of the strongest NO albums. Much better than Technique, that's for goddamn sure.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope Discounting BLT, the best track here has to be Angel Dust, so that's what I went with. But most all of the tracks are decent listens. One of the strongest NO albums. Much better than Technique, that's for goddamn sure.

eerm so you voted for your 2nd favourite track?

Originally posted by ShugZV© > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> Much better than Technique, that's for goddamn sure.

Fuckin students:D

Hehehe!!

Paradise - the potential of it as on 316

OK then, bloody good idea. My second favourite track is BLT as is my second favourite sandwich filling

Is Bacon and Egg your first Tim?

Also voted for As It Is, with Angel Dust second. Didn't have the chance to hear most of these tracks before the album's release, only had heard As It Is, so my biggest disappointment has been the well documented sound and production. Played the album to death back then, though I don't let the needle make it all the way through ELC much anymore.

Perhaps Brotherhood suffers from being rushed after Lowlife, but it's still a damn fine album, though with very poor sequencing. Try "random play" for a better one. Hell, Monaco owes their career to it...how many times can you rewrite Weirdo? :) But a more proper band would have waited until 1987, and culled some of the stronger tracks from this set along with 1963 and Touched By The Hand Of God, and relegated stuff like Every Little Counts and Angel Dust (which I've warmed up to over the years but don't think is that strong a track) to B-sides. But NO wasn't a proper band, and chose for whatever reason to get this out. I always though it was due to Factory cash flow issues, but would care to be further enlightened. It couldn't possibly be to have product in hand to break America with, could it?

Anyway, I picked a bit of a dark horse here. All Day Long. Maybe Tim is right, this should have been an instrumental, but I've heard much more cringeworthy vocals than what he delivers here. I've burned out on the subpar live renditions of BLT, and know that's gonna win anyway...and while I adore the rest of the A-side tracks, none of which are as memorable as the one that Barney insisted appear on Retro. He was absolutely right on that, at least.

--Sam

I have to admit that I'm a bit partial to Brotherhood, as it was the album during which I got into New Order. So I'm actually very fond of it. Also Weirdo is among my favourite tracks. AIIWIW comes at close second.

Question on the one we all love to hate !!!

Just before the major needle scratch on ELC their is a quick burst of music, does anyone know what it is ??

Broken Promises at First and as it is when it was

BLT - sorry to be obvious!

Brotherhood is the one NO album where my opinion has changed dramatically over the years. When I first got it (Christmas 1989) I was fairly sold on the poppier aspects of it and for ages I thought that side two was almost perfect from start to finish, while I hardly ever listened to side 1 (that's the thing with vinyl). I think the version of BLT is probably the best studio version, and Angel Dust and All Day Long are great too. HOWEVER, in the last few years I have listened to side 1 a lot more (since getting it on CD in fact) and now I really like those songs too. I've voted for AIWWIW for the rush towards the end and some of Barney's best lyrics of all.

Also, it reminds me of a thing Paul Morley wrote years ago about NO's music and gloves and fists (I can't rememebr the exact line so I won't try to quote it) which I always thought was very accurate, even if 90% of his writing is bollocks.

I suppose I should say Paradise, since I've based half of my adult life on that song. But I've gone for Broken Promise, 'cos I love it's energy and hooks. Also I remember sitting in my sis's back garden in the summer of '89, bored shitless, when out of the blue my thumb started to beat the guitar melody against the side of the deck-chair. It's always in my head. Yep, a poorly produced album, they admit it, but what's new?

As It Was...

Of all the songs on the album, this is the one I keep coming back to. The version of BLT on here is top-notch as well and (when my CD player cooperates and doesn't start skipping all over the place :D )Wierdo is very good, as well as ELC. I could probably do without the rest of the album most of the time (though I also go through phases when this is my favorite)

angel dust

All Day Long for me. Simply a great song. And, yes, it is the underdog on this release, overshadowed by the mighty Bizarre Love Triangle. Still I've always been moved by the first, yet enjoyed the later. ;)