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Well, as some of you might have noticed, we have been off-line for 10 hours, it was an error by our host, but nevertheless we'll have some changes to do...

It's quite simple really, NOOL is too popular, the website got 1,339,802 hits last week, we used to have that for a MONTH just 2 years ago, we had 22,177 visitors just this last week (9,872 different people within that, or should I say, 9872 different IP addresses.

It's not so bad, but considering we used 16 Gigabytes of bandwidth in 1 week and my "plan" limits be to 1 per month, something will have to be done.

First step, moving media files somewhere else, I will probably put them on my home network, but that means they will be accessible via either FTP or Web on a different port, meaning they might not work everywhere due to firewall restrictions.. I don't mind, I know most people on this website visit the forum. that's responsable for 8.5 GB of last week.

There has been about 4 Gigabytes of GIF and JPEG sent last week, plus 1.5 Gigabytes only for the forum page of the main and off-topic forum (ASPX page), that is WAAAAAAAAAY too much.

So I'll have to ligthen everything in the forum, use less graphic, and probably won't be able to host avatar here, but I will do my best so it won't influence anything, since I have an unrestricted plan at home, I can use that without any problem.

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Hits Entire Site (Successful) 1,339,802 Average Per Day 133,980 Home Page 14,030 Page Views Page Views (Impressions) 124,815 Average Per Day 12,481 Document Views 15,100 Visits Visits 22,177 Average Per Day 2,217 Average Visit Length 00:14:18 Median Visit Length 00:05:45 International Visits 4.33% Visits of Unknown Origin 86.3% Visits from United States 9.36% Visitors Unique Visitors 9,872 Visitors Who Visited Once 7,471 Visitors Who Visited More Than Once 2,401

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Most Accessed File Types

File type Files Kbytes 1 gif 381,272 1,032,557 2 jpg 177,084 2,565,503 3 aspx 53,213 1,139,101 4 js 42,268 415,355 5 aspx?ForumID=1 10,507 1,197,044 6 css 9,445 23,758 7 aspx?ForumID=8 4,535 499,172 8 aspx?MediaTypeID=1 3,970 818,358 9 aspx?MediaTypeID=2 3,214 7,438,904 10 aspx?ForumID=10 2,465 284,283 11 aspx?NewsID=777 1,018 12,309 12 aspx?ForumID=7 738 82,533 13 ico 671 373 14 aspx?ContinentID=1 490 8,715 15 aspx?ForumID=2 488 48,194 16 aspx?MediaTypeID=3 482 486,189

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Just goes to show what an amazingly popular and valuable resource this is for us all !

A few ideas regarding reduction of gifs etc - there's an enormous amount of replication of gifs and jpegs on the live pages. Mind if I work on an alternative live history format to suggest ?

Avatars could go as far as I am concerned, they are the devil's tapioca for anyone using the site at work. Having the option to switch them off helps from that perspective, but doesn't reduce the data transfer burden.

Would you consider allowing certain areas of the site to be housed on different servers ? I'd be happy to host some parts of it if required.

I guess the chat facility, which hasn't been a roaring success, may be a substantial bandwidth user as well. Worth treating it as an experiment that didn't work, and consigning it to the "ideas can" ? We could always agree on a particular external chatroom, if there is sufficient demand (and I doubt there is !)

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A few ideas regarding reduction of gifs etc - there's an enormous amount of replication of gifs and jpegs on the live pages. Mind if I work on an alternative live history format to suggest ?

Not at all...

Avatars could go as far as I am concerned, they are the devil's tapioca for anyone using the site at work. Having the option to switch them off helps from that perspective, but doesn't reduce the data transfer burden.

You can turn them off you know ;)

Would you consider allowing certain areas of the site to be housed on different servers ? I'd be happy to host some parts of it if required.

I don't think we can do that because of the dynamic content, only things like images and media files could be hosted elsewhere and they are the reason why so much bandwidth is used.

I guess the chat facility, which hasn't been a roaring success, may be a substantial bandwidth user as well. Worth treating it as an experiment that didn't work, and consigning it to the "ideas can" ? We could always agree on a particular external chatroom, if there is sufficient demand (and I doubt there is !)

I haven't seen the chat room listed anywhere for that, and you know, the chat room is probably one of the most bandwidth efficient place, because it uses frame.. if I use frame for NOOL (top menu for instance), it would save a lot of bandwidth...

I need to be more efficient, that's all.. buttons are images, menus are heavy javascript, etc...

I will work with WenOrder a lighter version, but anyone who have good ideas is more than welcome to submit them..

It's evident the "v3.0" effect is probably a good reason why there is so much bandwidth use, and I'll work to eliminate this, the .NET platform uses hidden fields to stock data, hence more bandwidth sent to the user...

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Originally posted by Spotnick and probably won't be able to host avatar here

Obviously this doesn't apply to me cos my avatar is so damn good.

right? :eek3:

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Thank feck, your back ... spent good portion of mornin thinkin I'd been barred

I'll cool me boots now

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Originally posted by Spotnick It's quite simple really, NOOL is too popular,

More than the band themselves!

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And all without a Fac number .. :D

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Originally posted by Spotnick General Statistics Hits Entire Site (Successful) 1,339,802 Average Per Day 133,980 Home Page 14,030 Page Views Page Views (Impressions) 124,815 Average Per Day 12,481 Document Views 15,100 Visits Visits 22,177 Average Per Day 2,217 Average Visit Length 00:14:18 Median Visit Length 00:05:45 International Visits 4.33% Visits of Unknown Origin 86.3% Visits from United States 9.36% Visitors Unique Visitors 9,872 Visitors Who Visited Once 7,471 Visitors Who Visited More Than Once 2,401

Why visits from US are not included in the international visits statistics? I thought this was a Canadian forum. Or maybe you consider Canada as a 51st state :evil4:

And no "cunts per week"?

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Originally posted by Server Error in "/" Application > Originally posted by Spotnick> General Statistics > > Hits Entire Site (Successful) 1,339,802 > Average Per Day 133,980 > Home Page 14,030 > Page Views Page Views (Impressions) 124,815 > Average Per Day 12,481 > Document Views 15,100 > Visits Visits 22,177 > Average Per Day 2,217 > Average Visit Length 00:14:18 > Median Visit Length 00:05:45 > International Visits 4.33% > Visits of Unknown Origin 86.3% > Visits from United States 9.36% > Visitors Unique Visitors 9,872 > Visitors Who Visited Once 7,471 > Visitors Who Visited More Than Once 2,401

Why visits from US are not included in the international visits statistics? I thought this was a Canadian forum. Or maybe you consider Canada as a 51st state :evil4:

And no "cunts per week"? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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Originally posted by Garymac And all without a Fac number .. :D

Indeed!

To be honest, the package that it would take to support the load we're using is near 200$/month...

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Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by Garymac> And all without a Fac number .. :D

Indeed!

To be honest, the package that it would take to support the load we're using is near 200$/month...

Perhaps you should forward those stats to a.h.wilson@uphisownarse.com and see if you/we can get yourself/ourselves a little bit of official recognition.

Still flying the flag this late in the day? Who's got the medals....????

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I'd hazard a guess that the band dont give a flying f...k if theres an offical site or not, it seems to be left up to their record label who havent exactly crafted sites any greater than a quick promo advert for their latest release :rolleyes:

Still is it that important for it to be the "official" site, to most if not all of us on here it is in our eyes, and thats what surely matters.

Im pretty damn sure that no other site bar none has as much daily traffic and detailed information/news as this one.

Every snippet of TV/Media/SideProject news is kept pretty much bang up to date and if NewOrder so much as put one too many sugars in their tea its reported on here within about 5 minutes :lol:

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Originally posted by Spotnick Most Accessed File Types File type Files Kbytes 1 gif 381,272 1,032,557 2 jpg 177,084 2,565,503 3 aspx 53,213 1,139,101

Hmm, I wonder what the "average size" of an avatar is? You could put a size-restriction if you don't already have it. I also wonder how much extra overhead the aspx-code adds... It may seem small on a per page basis, but when you add it up...

I hope you can stay "uncommercialized" as long as possible.

/TLV

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Just been running some like for like comparisons between NOOL and WIM, er sorry, FAC441.

Twelve hits a week by one unique user doesn't sound very impressive. Especially as he's only there because he's banned here...

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How do you get rid of the avatar - I don't need mine - It's Gary Fisher mountain Bike pioneer anyway not me.

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That's one way I suppose, I uploaded nothing, but it's a bit ugly.

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Originally posted by Old Blue Just been running some like for like comparisons between NOOL and WIM, er sorry, FAC441. Twelve hits a week by one unique user doesn't sound very impressive. Especially as he's only there because he's banned here...

:rofl:

Clive, you are killing me... :D

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Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by Garymac> And all without a Fac number .. :D

Indeed!

To be honest, the package that it would take to support the load we're using is near 200$/month...

I know a libertarian like me should not be proposing new taxes but what about a "Cure Thread Levy" Everytime someone mentions the Cure has to pay say 1 quid, then 2 quid for Barry manilow and 5 for Depish .

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Perhaps you should forward those stats to a.h.wilson@uphisownarse.com and see if you/we can get yourself/ourselves a little bit of official recognition.

Speaking of which, anyone knows how we can contact Tony Wilson?

I don't want a FAC number for the website, but I'd sure love one for Community !!!

But all the damned email addresses I have don't work, this "factory records" website hasn't been updated in the last 4 years, so I don't expect much!

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Originally posted by Old Blue Just been running some like for like comparisons between NOOL and WIM, er sorry, FAC441. Twelve hits a week by one unique user doesn't sound very impressive. Especially as he's only there because he's banned here...

So... it must be the only forum in the web with eccho.

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Banning the posting of images in threads should make a huge difference. That bloody paperclips thread has been resurrected, surefire bandwidth killer.

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Originally posted by Low-Life Banning the posting of images in threads should make a huge difference. That bloody paperclips thread has been resurrected, surefire bandwidth killer.

Not at all, as those images are not hosted here...

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I've decided to put Molly on hiatus, and go for the plain look.

--Sam

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Originally posted by The Happy One I've decided to put Molly on hiatus, and go for the plain look.--Sam

NOOOOOOO!!!!!! Not Molly!! :love2:

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Did you get my email, Sir?

--Sam

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Originally posted by The Happy One Did you get my email, Sir?--Sam

Just did...checking.........................................

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Originally posted by Sir CHUNKS > Originally posted by The Happy One> Did you get my email, Sir?> > --Sam

Just did...checking.........................................

You've got mail...:thumb: Molly? Oh where for art thou Molly!!? (Iread the other thread dealing with the avatars...I just wanted to ask to be a pain!!):D

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Media files are offline for the day, just checking how much bandwidth will be eliminated by this.

The site has been down for bloody 8 hours today and yet we used 21 gb of bandwidth..

It's amazing...

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Originally posted by Budvar Huber

Originally posted by Spotnick

Originally posted by Garymac And all without a Fac number .. :D

Indeed!

To be honest, the package that it would take to support the load we're using is near 200$/month...

I know a libertarian like me should not be proposing new taxes but what about a "Cure Thread Levy" Everytime someone mentions the Cure has to pay say 1 quid, then 2 quid for Barry manilow and 5 for Depish .

You forgot Hasselhoff and Yanni...or would that unfairly put the levy burden on one person? ;)

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just tell us what we can do boss?!?!?!

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Originally posted by Spotnick > Perhaps you should forward those stats to a.h.wilson@uphisownarse.com and see if you/we can get yourself/ourselves a little bit of official recognition.Speaking of which, anyone knows how we can contact Tony Wilson?I don't want a FAC number for the website, but I'd sure love one for Community !!!But all the damned email addresses I have don't work, this "factory records" website hasn't been updated in the last 4 years, so I don't expect much!

His sports show that airs on Thursdays in the North West gives out an e-mail contact address for the debate. I'm sure you could hijack it to use to contact him. I can't recall the exact address of the top of my head but can post it here on Fiday.

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What channel is it on ?

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ITV at about 11:20pm Thursday.

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Have mailed Granada to see if they will give me a contact mail/number for AHW.

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Originally posted by Low-Life Have mailed Granada to see if they will give me a contact mail/number for AHW.

Thanks.

I know it's symbolic, but I'm sure many people would love to have a FAC number for the album and EP ;)

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Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr > Originally posted by Budvar Huber> > > > Originally posted by Spotnick> > > > > > > Originally posted by Garymac> > > And all without a Fac number .. :D> > >

Indeed!

To be honest, the package that it would take to support the load we're using is near 200$/month...

I know a libertarian like me should not be proposing new taxes but what about a "Cure Thread Levy" Everytime someone mentions the Cure has to pay say 1 quid, then 2 quid for Barry manilow and 5 for Depish .

You forgot Hasselhoff and Yanni...or would that unfairly put the levy burden on one person? ;)

To be fair, I haven't mentioned either for quite a while now....until now!

Hasselhoff! :jump: (need a :slow-motion running: smilie ) Yanni! :computer2: (need a :Greek playing piano: smilie)

Anyway, as per the site, I think as long as I get to keep posting pictures of sheep, I'll be alright with whatever else goes on here :evil4:

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just checking my avatar:p

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Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by Spotnick> > > > Perhaps you should forward those stats to a.h.wilson@uphisownarse.com and see if you/we can get yourself/ourselves a little bit of official recognition.> > > > Speaking of which, anyone knows how we can contact Tony Wilson?> > I don't want a FAC number for the website, but I'd sure love one for Community !!!> > But all the damned email addresses I have don't work, this "factory records" website hasn't been updated in the last 4 years, so I don't expect much!

His sports show that airs on Thursdays in the North West gives out an e-mail contact address for the debate. I'm sure you could hijack it to use to contact him. I can't recall the exact address of the top of my head but can post it here on Fiday.

Aaargghh!!! Here in Scotland we don't even get goals extra in the wee small hours. Stoke on their best run in 57 years, and I'm taunted by live terrestrial footy every weekend (Motherwll vs Hearts!!!! the Dundee derby!!!!!!Could I give a toss???????!????!?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!)

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Originally posted by Budvar Huber I know a libertarian like me should not be proposing new taxes but what about a "**** Thread Levy" Everytime someone mentions the **** has to pay say 1 quid, then 2 quid for ***** ******* and 5 for *******.

Presumably that's 9 quid you owe the site for that post then Budvar? :evil4:

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Originally posted by Spotnick The site has been down for bloody 8 hours today and yet we used 21 gb of bandwidth..It's amazing...

Perhaps there is a spider crawling around downloading complete copies of the site?

On my insignificant Geocities site I get messages sometimes that I've passed the 1GB limit. Heck, if I have more than 5 visitors per day I'd be surprised... Of course, it could be their way to sell me premium service...

/TLV

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Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Spotnick> The site has been down for bloody 8 hours today and yet we used 21 gb of bandwidth..> > It's amazing...

Perhaps there is a spider crawling around downloading complete copies of the site?

On my insignificant Geocities site I get messages sometimes that I've passed the 1GB limit. Heck, if I have more than 5 visitors per day I'd be surprised... Of course, it could be their way to sell me premium service...

/TLV

Could be search engines indeed, I'll have to keep them to scan the forums (imaging the amount of messages they have to scan!) by putting a robots.txt on the website..

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You may be onto something here. It'd be good if all forum content be kept away from search engines, given that it is always taken out of context by finding isolated messages on a search engine (and none of anyone's business who is not a part of this community).

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Originally posted by Spotnick > Perhaps you should forward those stats to a.h.wilson@uphisownarse.com and see if you/we can get yourself/ourselves a little bit of official recognition.Speaking of which, anyone knows how we can contact Tony Wilson?I don't want a FAC number for the website, but I'd sure love one for Community !!!But all the damned email addresses I have don't work, this "factory records" website hasn't been updated in the last 4 years, so I don't expect much!

AHW's contact details are in your inbox, Nic !

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Sure thing is, I didn't get any "overuse of bandwidth" message today :thumb:

That's a good start...

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Nicos...that's because I only posted half my usual amount of drivel...

glad I could help!:thumb:

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So if the bandwidth % is lower today can we expect the Media files back up anytime soon? Or are they still going to be hosted on another site?

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Originally posted by death of art > Originally posted by Budvar Huber> I know a libertarian like me should not be proposing new taxes but what about a "**** Thread Levy" Everytime someone mentions the **** has to pay say 1 quid, then 2 quid for ***** ******* and 5 for *******.

Presumably that's 9 quid you owe the site for that post then Budvar? :evil4:

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Muy bueno!!!

But the "Gays and Goths Tax"* surely needs to be approved first.

*Copyright Hank Wiseass

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Originally posted by Joseph Raciciot So if the bandwidth % is lower today can we expect the Media files back up anytime soon? Or are they still going to be hosted on another site?

Logic ? If the media files disappear then the bandwidth drops, that would suggest that it was people coming on here and lifting the media files that was the cause of the bandwidth problem. So they stay offline. There's always soulseek, or actually buying the fucking records.

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I was speaking more of the files that aren't available on any Video or reccord such as many of the Cover versions and videos.

Hopefully they will be moved to another site.

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Originally posted by Joseph Raciciot So if the bandwidth % is lower today can we expect the Media files back up anytime soon? Or are they still going to be hosted on another site?

They are going to be hosted somewhere else, probably from my home, it will be completely invisible to everyone...

Unless of course I notice that I can't use my internet connection because it's too slow ;)

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A very big thank to Sam (The Happy One) for lending us drive space to host the media files...

So I should be doing what I need to do tonight, and those damned files will be back online I guess this week-end (depends of the upload speed!)

:clap:

:thumb:

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Just tested the new host for the media files.. downloading at 256 kbps, it's going fiiiiiine! ;)

Should be up tomorrow...!

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Originally posted by Spotnick Just tested the new host for the media files.. downloading at 256 kbps, it's going fiiiiiine! ;)

Should be up tomorrow...!

I think it died again... :(

And it's back :)

--Sam

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I just took a look at the source sent from this forum page and have some suggestions (please ignore this post if you already know this):

  1. Viewstate is turned on. Not sure how much your site requires this, but Viewstate can get pretty large in ASPX pages. It took up 16.9K of the 44.9K of html sent to my browser.

  2. There's a lot of white space sent. All of the spaces and tabs used to format the html are only useful when debugging. They can be removed without changing the look of the page. I see Visual Studio was used to create the site, and it is notorious for reformatting your aspx source. You would have to edit the aspx pages outside of vs.net to make the changes stick. But then it reformats them as soon as you need to make a change to the code-behind...very frustrating.

  3. The .js and .css files can also have a lot of white space removed without causing harm.

I think there are programs out there that can reduce the size of gifs without sacrificing quality (much).

Anyway, the company I work for has to deal with slow network speeds, so we have to worry about how fast the pages display. Even in a fast office network viewstate was a killer on one page I did (though it is needed for some things).

Hope this helps!

Thanks for a great site!

EDIT: I just looked at the source for the thread list and the page sent was 124K, viewstate was 56k. So about 40% of your bandwidth for the aspx pages is viewstate. Definitely worth checking out...

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I have to admit , i usually visit the World In Motion site more, but this site does look more professional, more fun and most of all seems to have much more people actually writing in the forums!!:clap::thumb:

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