NewOrderOnline is still using too much bandwidth...

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but the drop down menus at the top only seem to work for me once and then if I hovver over them a second time nothng happens, unless I refresh the page.

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but the drop down menus at the top only seem to work for me once and then if I hovver over them a second time nothng happens, unless I refresh the page.

Yes its a known bug.

Have just tried downloading a few pages Nick to see if they are still using quite a lot of white space - they are ! Is it worth hosting certain sections elsewhere, so as to distribute the bandwidth more ?

Start banning obscene content, like the FCC has suddenly decided to do. That way the most frequent users will be eliminated......oh wait, that includes me :(

Seriously, though, it might not be so bad to have the media stuff on a seperate site (the same thing I suggested back when the media files were causing a near-shutdown due to bandwith or something). That's really the only idea I can bring to the table, and an old one at that

Just my little experience, I don't know if it can be useful, I don't thinks so, but you never know... in my small world, I have to open several accounts to host all the stuff on the Gabrielles Wish site. I know your case is very different, but couldn't you do such a thing? Is all that bandwidth caused by the media downloads (can't think of anything else)? Well, then spread all those archives through different accounts. Of course I guess I'm not of any help, but still tried.

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but the drop down menus at the top only seem to work for me once and then if I hovver over them a second time nothng happens, unless I refresh the page.

same here as well

If I was going to guess, I'd guess that it's the forums that are consuming most juice, probably because of the way forums are designed (it seems like a huge waste of bandwidth to have to reload an entire page just to get a new post).

I suspect that some of the hard-core NOOLers keep on hitting reload on the topics they are watching, each time creating a new page-load.

One controversial idea could be to limit the number of postings per 24hr period and/or week...

Another, perhaps more controversial, idea could be to merge with WiM... :D

Perhaps having a permanent PayPal like displayed would help the funding. A small banner may not be too bad either... even if it goes against the philosophy. What company wouldn't want to market their product/services to a diverse group of people who love to obsess about New Order 24/7?

BTW: Yahoo started to crawl the web to build their own search index - after dumping Google.

/TLV

Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan Just my little experience, I don't know if it can be useful, I don't thinks so, but you never know... in my small world, I have to open several accounts to host all the stuff on the Gabrielles Wish site.

Slight difference. Gab's Pish have 3 (three) fans. Shug has 4 alone !

Julio has at least a canadian one, and he doesn't even post here anymore!

You can have Julio pay his way back to NOOL

What about a reality show where NO Online openly pimps for "Mr. Right"...as in "Mr. Willing to Pay Huge Amounts of Money to Keep Site Up"? It'll be set up like "The Bachelor" where we have to pick from 25 millionaires

Or better yet, I'll go on Jeopardy, get about a million dollars during my five-month stint as "Jeopardy Champion", and spilt the profits with NO Online!

Sell the site on E-bay. Maybe David Sultan buy it!

Ok, that was no fun...

Originally posted by Server Error in "/" Application Sell the site on E-bay. Maybe David Sultan buy it!Ok, that was no fun...

Spot could sell him a forum all for himself on here; I bet he'd buy that for some good money

Do we need so many forms?

Do we need the chat that is almost never used?

Do we need so much media?

What about porn banners...??

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by Server Error in "/" Application> Sell the site on E-bay. Maybe David Sultan buy it!> Ok, that was no fun...

Spot could sell him a forum all for himself on here; I bet he'd buy that for some good money Maybe then Hooky would finally be tempted to post something. :p

Originally posted by Spotnick Seriously, we are using 1 GB per day, and my hosting company gave me a plan of 1 GB per month... and they want to charge me 7$CDN per extra GB...

Yikes, they couldn't have been very happy before! The media files I'm hosting for you are doing about 12 gigabytes/day on average.

Obviously I can't handle to pay 200$/month for this website, so any ideas are more than welcomed.

Charge a membership fee...the problem of course is that collecting the money is a pretty bothersome task, even if you have a merchant credit account as well as the server stuff...or find a new provider that's more reasonable (the rates you're being quoted for bandwidth utilization are just absurd), or it it due to needing a Microsoft platform that's limiting your options?

--Sam

Originally posted by Spotnick Seriously, we are using 1 GB per day, and my hosting company gave me a plan of 1 GB per month... and they want to charge me 7$CDN per extra GB...Obviously I can't handle to pay 200$/month for this website, so any ideas are more than welcomed. I am downloading the usage logs of the website and will study them tonight to see what's taking so much juice, but it's evident that something will have to be done...

Is this because there`s so many of us logging on? if so,nick some from Darth Sultan-he must have loads of spare space!!!!!!!!

Ways to cut bandwidth and save money:

1. Lose the Avatars - I like em but they use loads of BW
2. Ditch chat!
3. Move media to different servers (or NOOLers who have decent BW!)
4. Get London Records to pay for the server - LOADED!

Originally posted by Slippy 4. Get London Records to pay for the server - LOADED!

The same London Records who are on the verge of losing the Warner control, and who may be forced to ditch their roster (inc the Order) ? Loaded is one thing they ain't.

Get rid of the media...

All of it.

Would that help?

Get rid of the smilies

Originally posted by Spotnick TLV, the "PayPal donate" button is in the About page...

I was thinking it could be more prominently displayed in places where people visit the most, like the front page and each forum...

If every member donated the amount equal to a cup of coffee, a movie ticket, or pack of cigarettes, then you would get a decent fund to pay for hosting... It works well in theory :)

/TLV

we'll have to part with whatever it takes to lessen the load. is just looking around taking up bandwith as well (excuse my ignorance here)?

Originally posted by Geri we'll have to part with whatever it takes to lessen the load. is just looking around taking up bandwith as well (excuse my ignorance here)?

Yeah! Cos it's still downloading temporary files - especially images (unless they are already in your cache)

Have an idea about images, will mail you offlist.

Dumping the chat and the avatars, like other people have suggested, could help. Also, how about deleting threads in the forums after they've been left dormant for, say, a couple of months?

instead of adding ugly banners and stuff, would it not be possible to add product links to say amazon in the discography section? eg someone clicks on the unknown pleasures listing and a buy now link appears at the top, that way your providing more of a service rather than begging.

perhaps you could expand the shopping section to cover more rare merchandise from a number of merchants?

or you could do something like set a forum post restriction on ads. eg people who have made less than 500 posts see advertisements while others dont.

I'll not use avatars and pants anymore, does it help?

Originally posted by The DoN Get rid of the media...All of it.Would that help?

no! don't get rid of the media! the media is one feature that gets other people onto the site. maybe you could re-render them or something so then they're of a lesser quality. and ditch chat - i totally agree on that. you could put a restriction on the size of the avatars as well in terms of dimensions or actual bitesize.

Originally posted by Detweiler

Slight difference. Gab's Pish have 3 (three) fans. Shug has 4 alone !

*No, we are 3 already counting only Italy! :p I was talking about space and bandwidth, anyway. Of course Geocities is very strict, a couple of visitors downloading MP3 files are enough to get the site shut down for a day for exceeded bandwidth. By the way, sponsorship is a really serious idea. This place has a lot of visitors so there should be no problem, especially finding record stores to place banners.

you could place naked pictures of hooky at random intervals throughout the site, that should be enough to deter the sane members of the community (makes this place sound like some damn hippy commune)

SAVE BANDWIDTH, THE FAST AND EASY WAYYYYY.

Get rid of the old stuff, the ones no one remember or doesn't care.

I suggest Mick, first.

Originally posted by Spotnick Just for the record.1) Banners & Smilies are now hosted elsewhere, let's see how long it will take my ISP to remove my free website 2) Files in media section are hosted elsewhere3) I'll remove avatars tonight, you will now be able to put a URL in your profile, but the avatars will be hosted ELSEWHERE than here.. sorry, but I have to do it!4) The JavaScript of the menu is hosted elsewhere as well, also on my free website, we'll see how long my ISP support it ;)That should help a lot...

If you're talking about the free 5mb webspace Videotron gives us, it shouldn't be long before they shut you down. You're not supposed to have that much trafic on that server... :D

It's Barney's fault. He's the widest in the band.

The problem, Seb, is exactly that this is not official. If they give money for NOOL, other sites could feel wounded (can you imagine DS complaining for money?).

I don't believe they simply don't care. They don't want an official site because official sites are gay. And they don' like to talk about themselves. If they supported a site like this, they would contradict their own principles.

Kindda yes, it is. But they like to be popular not in usual ways. Maybe not having an official site make they feel superior. That's what I meant.

Even the most obscure band in the world, say, The Windscreen Lickers from Papua New Guinea, has an official website ( http://www.papuahost.com/windscreenlickers ). Even Gabrielles Wish, though first it was the guitarist and now a clueless fan... New Order not having an official site is a shame, which makes them look, for the average Internet surfer, as a band of no importance. BUT, the fact that a fansite could be their semi-official site could be really cool. Official sites made by labels are usually boring and poorly informative, NewOrderOnline is much better than the 99% of them. STILL, this doesn't change the label or at least the band should support NOOL. You need a contact with them. The only problem could be from what I understand Peter Hook, if not the whole band, perceives World In Motion as the most important site, certainly because of the contact between him and David. They probably ignore the status of NewOrderOnline (that's why you need a contact, to explain them what this site actually is and ask support), or they're still happy to be in touch with David because he doesn't need to ask money... I'm not saying I'm for one site or against the other (as you know I wish there wasn't such a fierce rivalry), I'm just telling like I think things are...

Originally posted by Mick Aneworderfan Even the most obscure band in the world, say, The Windscreen Lickers from Papua New Guinea, has an official website ( http://www.papuahost.com/windscreenlickers ). Even Gabrielles Wish, though first it was the guitarist and now a clueless fan... New Order not having an official site is a shame, which makes them look, for the average Internet surfer, as a band of no importance.BUT, the fact that a fansite could be their semi-official site could be really cool. Official sites made by labels are usually boring and poorly informative, NewOrderOnline is much better than the 99% of them.STILL, this doesn't change the label or at least the band should support NOOL. You need a contact with them.The only problem could be from what I understand Peter Hook, if not the whole band, perceives World In Motion as the most important site, certainly because of the contact between him and David. They probably ignore the status of NewOrderOnline (that's why you need a contact, to explain them what this site actually is and ask support), or they're still happy to be in touch with David because he doesn't need to ask money...I'm not saying I'm for one site or against the other (as you know I wish there wasn't such a fierce rivalry), I'm just telling like I think things are...

I know you are telling it like you think it is, Mick, but you ain't right. David Sultan bought a load of old equipment off Hooky, that is the connection. Hooky no doubt feels some kinds of obligation to the guy who spent thousands on tat, no perceptions of which is important etc. This site has the audience, WIM has the connections. This site has become a victim of its own success in many ways, without the commercial aspect it will be difficult to continue in the current manner. Page sponsorship may be an option - pop-ups are not. NOOL t-shirts would sell well, maybe these could be produced. Speculate to accumulate and all that ?

How's about we clean out some of the old threads in buy/sell/trade ? Some of them are requests for tickets for the Australian 02 shows and such like, the posters are no longer visitors to the site. Cleaning up a load of old messages will reduce some of the residual size of the site.

Thanks for making things clearer. Yeah, sponsorship is definitely the way. A banner on the top of each page could be enough to raise the money, right? And who would complain when it just takes one second to scroll and have your usual page and otherwise the page wouldn't exist at all?

Get rid of Trevs, he posts to much :D If it doesn't work, at least we get rid of him

Originally posted by Spotnick Maybe I should hire brazilian postmen to deliver the bill to me

YES !!!

For sure it will help a lot.....but, with bills, they are doing a good job, unfortunately :(

Ahh Brazilian postmen again

Originally posted by Slippy Ahh Brazilian postmen again

correios.gov.br

Originally posted by The Man Up North Hey, speaking of Brazilian postmen, I have from a good source that our good old friend from Recife, JULIO MOURA, is still visiting this site about 30 times a day and is actually replying to mails from this forum on World in Motion.That's certainly an innovative way of doing things, don't you think? :barf:

Yeah, but the Sultan told him off for it. See, even his "mate" thinks he's a cunt.

Originally posted by Old Blue > Originally posted by The Man Up North> Hey, speaking of Brazilian postmen, I have from a good source that our good old friend from Recife, JULIO MOURA, is still visiting this site about 30 times a day and is actually replying to mails from this forum on World in Motion.> > That's certainly an innovative way of doing things, don't you think?> > :barf:

Yeah, but the Sultan told him off for it. See, even his "mate" thinks he's a cunt.

The old subject again......very soon this site will change to julioonline.com...

He and Brazilian postmen are very, very famous here .

Originally posted by Spotnick I'm still curious to know who that "Nool" user was though...

How many people are there on here from Toronto ?

Originally posted by Spotnick I'm still curious to know who that "Nool" user was though...

i know who the nool user is,but i cant tell you due to medical ethics! work it out its not hard! think about it!

regards

The first page of this thread alone was almost 400K... not nice.

My guess is that, cos it's all active pages, client's browsers and/or proxy servers aren't cacheing properly, causing the whole lot to be requested from scratch with each page visit.

ASPX is great, but you have a HUGE viewstate being used, probably unnecessarily (it being a web page rather than an interactive forms based web application). You've also got some large avatars there - up to 62K in some cases, so maybe bung some size limits on there.

And I know they're unpopular, but try using frames, especially for the top banner, so it's only loaded once per site visit (rather than per page).

A bit of trimming on this stuff should do a lot to solve bandwidth limit probs.

I have the perfect solution: considering the right-wing, extremely-bastardized version of Christianity that the country (the USA) is turning towards, why not revise "New Order Online" to "New World Order Online" and promote it among the right-winger religion sites as "The place for open and honest discussion of how to get rid of liberals, Jews, Muslims, and anyone who doesn't agree with us"? We'll get huge amounts of sponsership from other ultra-right wing websites, and maybe even the Terrible Twosome of the nuts (Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson) will encourage their sheep, er, flock, to surf here and help keep it running. Spotty could start hosting "faith healings online" (Trevor in South Carolina, your syphillis is healed by the Light and the Resurrection!).

Of course, we'd lose all that once Shug or RM used the f-word in the non-Biblical sense :D