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Fac63 is quite simply the best song ever written, and the version on Taras is fast becoming my favourite.
Does anyone have any other early versions that they could kindly email me? (insert 'pleading' smilie here:)
Please use this address: david.fox@burohappold.com
I understand there's an instrumental version around somewhere. Is this any good?
Thanks in Advance
you need one of the segue versions too, when they did 586 / everything's gone green and temptation in one fantastic sequence (try bradford 84 for one)
Originally posted by Slippy > Originally posted by Major Tarantino 1987 version is my favourite
The arrangement is right, the sound is polished and the singing is better. 
Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by Slippy> > > > Originally posted by Major Tarantino> 1987 version is my favourite
The arrangement is right, the sound is polished and the singing is better.
Originally posted by Slippy > Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by Slippy> > > > Originally posted by Major Tarantino> 1987 version is my favourite
The arrangement is right, the sound is polished and the singing is better.
I dunno about you, but I prefer a song to sound right, polished and better :D
Originally posted by The DoN > Originally posted by Slippy> > > > Originally posted by Major Tarantino> > Originally posted by Slippy> > > > Originally posted by Major Tarantino> 1987 version is my favourite
The arrangement is right, the sound is polished and the singing is better.
I dunno about you, but I prefer a song to sound right, polished and better :D
The original Temptation rules! A good raw sound. The singing on the original Confusion is not as good as the Substance one but it kicks its arse!
Always remember my extreme disappointment on buying 'Substance' to find temptation had been re-recorded. The original is untouchable, and the Taras version 'rawks'.
Originally posted by five hates six Always remember my extreme disappointment on buying 'Substance' to find temptation had been re-recorded. The original is untouchable, and the Taras version 'rawks'.
Indeed it must have been most disappointing to discover that the band had thought that after all those years had elapsed they could be so audacious as to think they could have actually IMPROVED as musicians 
a horrifyingly shocking concept 
Originally posted by The DoN > Originally posted by five hates six> Always remember my extreme disappointment on buying 'Substance' to find temptation had been re-recorded. The original is untouchable, and the Taras version 'rawks'.
Indeed it must have been most disappointing to discover that the band had thought that after all those years had elapsed they could be so audacious as to think they could have actually IMPROVED as musicians a horrifyingly shocking concept
I agree that the 87 version is perhaps more 'polished', clearer and truer to the live version - however, does that make the track "better"?
The original, with 'real' sounding drums and the primitive synths/sequencers, and of course Barney's more deadpan delivery make it more appealing - the beauty of it is of course in the eye of the beholder!
The 87 version was the first I heard, so to me it is the original. Same goes for Ceremony and Confusion.
Indeed it must have been most disappointing to discover that the band had thought that after all those years had elapsed they could be so audacious as to think they could have actually IMPROVED as musicians a horrifyingly shocking concept
to be honest sometimes I think they have gone backwards in this area orson welles style (start with citizen kane...end up doing campari adverts, well maybe not) they were far more exiting and adventurous in the early days than later. barney's guitar playing in JD compared to later when it's a secondary thing (what with singing an' all), hooky's intense bass playing in the early days relegated to a three note fill in mainly electronic tracks....I could go on but I'm sure no one cares.....that's not to say I don't like the later material it's just that the earlier stuff is a lot more, well just more....
I tend to prefer the band when they are performing at the peak of their powers after practice and fine tuning, but of course each to their own which is what makes music so appealing and creates such discussions :)
Originally posted by The DoN I tend to prefer the band when they are performing at the peak of their powers after practice and fine tuning, but of course each to their own which is what makes music so appealing and creates such discussions :)
Or arguments :D
Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by The DoN> I tend to prefer the band when they are performing at the peak of their powers after practice and fine tuning, but of course each to their own which is what makes music so appealing and creates such discussions :)
Or arguments :D
no it doesnt :D
Originally posted by The DoN > Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by The DoN> I tend to prefer the band when they are performing at the peak of their powers after practice and fine tuning, but of course each to their own which is what makes music so appealing and creates such discussions :)
Or arguments :D
no it doesnt :D
He's behind you!
Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by The DoN> > > > Originally posted by Major Tarantino> > Originally posted by The DoN> I tend to prefer the band when they are performing at the peak of their powers after practice and fine tuning, but of course each to their own which is what makes music so appealing and creates such discussions :)
Or arguments :D
no it doesnt :D
He's behind you!
oh no he isnt 
Originally posted by The DoN > Originally posted by Major Tarantino Let's stop now.
I reserve the right to disagree 
Sir, I challenge you to a duel!
Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by The DoN> > > > Originally posted by Major Tarantino> Let's stop now.
I reserve the right to disagree
Sir, I challenge you to a duel!
Ok. I challenge you to write a thesis on, the idiosyncracies of the variations of Temptation circa '82-87
:p
Originally posted by The DoN > Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by The DoN> > > > Originally posted by Major Tarantino> Let's stop now.
I reserve the right to disagree
Sir, I challenge you to a duel!
Ok. I challenge you to write a thesis on, the idiosyncracies of the variations of Temptation circa '82-87
:p
argh!! 
So to get back to the topic....
I've always preferred the 7" version myself. It's a much tighter arrangement and Barney's vocals are much more restrained which makes it more connected to the earlier 80-81 works rather than to the later era. They did a great live version on Riverside I seem to recall.
Originally posted by Jamie Fairlie So to get back to the topic....
Actually, to get back on topic...:D
If anyone hase these early versions as mp3's to hand, that they could send through, I would be eternaly grateful.
david.fox@burohappold.com
Cheers Dave F.
Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by Jamie Fairlie> So to get back to the topic....>
Are you mad?!
evidently
Originally posted by The DoN > Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by Jamie Fairlie> So to get back to the topic....>
Are you mad?!
evidently
I love the way the Taras version starts, almost became a reprise of Truth until a most likely panicked Gillian made some adjustments. The mic shock is fantastic too, I laugh my head off everytime, at his angry reaction, and the pissed up look he gives the mic stand The way they leave stage leaving the sequencer in a loop, leaving the roadies to deal with it. Where is that Delorean when I need it...
I like both, but prefer the '87 version for the vocal and the bass playing which I consider superior, I also like how it sounds towards the end, a crescendo of crunching guitars playing over one another. Good stuff. They're just totally different tunes, the one flaw to me with the '87 version is the thrumping synth line that sounds too peculiar, almost not like a synth, and certainly not like later live versions which seemed to skew more toward the '82 sound.
Still, the original is my favorite, and I find the original Confusion to be ghastly, but I don't like the song at all to begin with so my opinion on it probably serves no ones interest.
Originally posted by five hates six > Originally posted by The DoN> > > > Originally posted by five hates six> > Always remember my extreme disappointment on buying 'Substance' to find temptation had been re-recorded. The original is untouchable, and the Taras version 'rawks'.>
Indeed it must have been most disappointing to discover that the band had thought that after all those years had elapsed they could be so audacious as to think they could have actually IMPROVED as musicians a horrifyingly shocking concept
I agree that the 87 version is perhaps more 'polished', clearer and truer to the live version - however, does that make the track "better"?
The original, with 'real' sounding drums and the primitive synths/sequencers, and of course Barney's more deadpan delivery make it more appealing - the beauty of it is of course in the eye of the beholder!
The 87 version doesn't have any soul, it just feels very plastic to me. I played it yesterday and it reminded me how much I dislike it. The keyboard sequencer line sounds all wrong to me.
For me it has to be the original 12" followed by 98 folowed by original 7", last is 87.
I'll give you an example of the difference. A friend of mine was only familiar with 87 from the Trainspotting soundtrack and she wasn't impressed. I did her a compilation to educate her in the error of her ways and 98 was the first track. She listened to it on the way home from the pub and texted me straight away enthusing about it and how it wiped the floor with 87.
I don't think that was a shock he got from the mic, just a petulant display of anger (for what it's worth)
Originally posted by steve52 82,87,98 or live-who cares? its a fuckin gem of a track.
Agreed. Although I think the 1998 version is too short... it's a great version but it cuts out of lot of the lyrics towards the end. And I really like the long-windy intro on the 1982 version. The guitars don't overpower the keyboards on the original, the only down side to that version is that Barney's vocals are a bit piss-poor! I'm hard to please
I think the polishing and improvements took away from its soul. The original is the best studio version, Taras the best live version, and most live versions better than the 87 even if they are the same in structure. Live better than studio IMHO assuming there is a decent live recording.
Watching Taras is a privilege that few fans ever get. The birth of a song, the birth of arguably their greatest song.
