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So who will get the first taste of New Order's forthcoming album? Will we have to wait until a single is sent out to radio stations a while before the album's release, or will various people (such as the controllers of this website) receive promo copies, or will various tracks be leaked over the file-sharing programs months ahead of time, etc.? I remember that Get Ready was floating around on the internet at least a month before it hit stores. How do these things usually work?

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope So who will get the first taste of New Order's forthcoming album? Will we have to wait until a single is sent out to radio stations a while before the album's release, or will various people (such as the controllers of this website) receive promo copies, or will various tracks be leaked over the file-sharing programs months ahead of time, etc.? I remember that Get Ready was floating around on the internet at least a month before it hit stores. How do these things usually work?

I guess as my Get Ready CD has been nabbed that someone need not download the tracks

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope So who will get the first taste of New Order's forthcoming album? Will we have to wait until a single is sent out to radio stations a while before the album's release, or will various people (such as the controllers of this website) receive promo copies, or will various tracks be leaked over the file-sharing programs months ahead of time, etc.? I remember that Get Ready was floating around on the internet at least a month before it hit stores. How do these things usually work?

Music works in the same way bootleg movies hit computers and back alley kiosks. The record company, group, and/or production will send the promo copies, hundreds of them to critics, radio stations, magazines, and apparently websites and often ( Not accusing anybody affiliated with this site) these people take liberties with the material and simple put it on their computer or make bootleg copies. You can't trace a blank cd so it's anyones guess. Personally, I'm not the type who feels sorry for artists, specifically in this case because they don't restrict their promotional items to reliable sources they are going to lose it. Simple. Also, sometimes they do it on purpose just to get the sound out there before the release.

Nothin like the crackling, skipping, low frequency sound of a bootleg!

I think the record companies bullshit alot about how much money they supposedly lose over copies/bootlegs. Yeah if i could get a copy of the new album 2 months before release on cd-r i would. But im still buying the offical one too. Live bootlegs arent officially available so they dont lose out on them,and most stuff people swap is not in the shops either (Run2 for example) so they lose nothing on that again. If they wanna stop it they can only do one thing-set up a system where you order a cd from them with the tracks you want on it made to order.

its kind of genre orientate re how much money artists loose.

a pop album with one good single (eg wako jakkos last one) wont sell as well if people have the said single. same for the transient nature of any single orientated act (britney, justin etc).

if a band like neworder release an album, chances are most people will get it, some wont cause they have the leg on an ipod, but some will like the said song, and go ahead and buy the album, so the loss (if any) throught bootlegs is minimal.

id like not to hear the album till it comes out, but know if i see an early mix floating about online, ill proberbally download it ,and loose a good bit of enjoyment when i get it in the shop , final mix, no crackles etc.

Funny how the prominant artists often forbid downloading while lesser known and less prominant artists tend to encourage downloading just so they can be more available.

I have a lot of old records and on some of the sleeves as old as 1981 it says:

"HOME TAPING IS DESTROYING MUSIC, AND IT'S ILLEAGAL"

There it is children, the music industry has been being destroying for 20-some years. It changes nothing and maybe we wouldnt need to copy onto cd as much if the cd's themselves weren't priced so high, priced high because Mariah Carey or whoever else gets 50 million dollars to break from her 80 million dollar contract. Spend less, charge less, make more. Simple.

And hey, didn't Tony Wilson come up with an idea in the mid-ninties to get on the computer coatails and sell music online? Guess they should of listened...

I have a lot of old records and on some of the sleeves as old as 1981 it says:

"HOME TAPING IS DESTROYING MUSIC, AND IT'S ILLEAGAL"

There it is children, the music industry has been being destroying for 20-some years. Spend less, charge less, make more. Simple.

And hey, didn't Tony Wilson come up with an idea in the mid-ninties to get on the computer coatails and sell music online? Guess they should of listened...

How does the computer industry get round giving anyone with a 'Home Computer' the means of copying CDs, DVDs, MP3 downloads if it's supposed to be illegal?

Originally posted by Dee > I have a lot of old records and on some of the sleeves as old as 1981 it says: > > "HOME TAPING IS DESTROYING MUSIC, AND IT'S ILLEAGAL"> > There it is children, the music industry has been being destroying for 20-some years. Spend less, charge less, make more. Simple.> > And hey, didn't Tony Wilson come up with an idea in the mid-ninties to get on the computer coatails and sell music online? Guess they should of listened...

How does the computer industry get round giving anyone with a 'Home Computer' the means of copying CDs, DVDs, MP3 downloads if it's supposed to be illegal?

Easy, they put "copy control" on a lot of the newer discs, unfortunatly not all cd players will read them. Sort of like kamakazie marketing if you ask me.

It's not a real problem for me because I still have lots or tape equipment and I can always record it on tape and sell to a friend or something.

Copy Control is flawed-it only works if you wanna record it digitally,if you record in analogue it still copies. The difference in sound? i cant hear any.

Everyone knows it costs about 70p to make a CD,so why pay such a high price? Supermarkets aren`t included in chart position calculations but they sell CD albums for under a tenner-yet HMV etc charge around £13.99 for the same disc.

Two reasons why the music industry is fucking itself over.

Because record companies and marketing departments get the lions share, they ain't interested in music, just the money.

Lets face it remix after remix and all bollocks

Long live the net and bootleggers everywehere

The digital download of Crystal which timed out just before it's release was probably the way to go - OOH I am nearing my 500th post - must go to work!

apparentlya black marker on the inside label-* gets any CC Copy Control out of the way. ;)

Originally posted by steve52 Everyone knows it costs about 70p to make a CD,so why pay such a high price?.

Because it's more than just the artist and record company that get paid, and they're interested in profit, not just breaking even. Also the industry is suffering from a drop in sales (depending on which figures you read).

Don't forget, record companies have to pay their admin staff, designers, producers, web designers and publicitists from their profit too. Also, bear in mind that the price of CDs hasn't increased in line with inflation since they have been available - but, on the other hand, production costs have probably fallen as well.

A whole, tricky, mucky issue, all in all, but I personally like to buy my music (for the artwork, and durability of the manufactured CDs), and like the artists whose music I buy to get a share of the price tag, to encourage them to continue making music.

Andy

I shall be well fucked off if you people don't buy our records and stuff when they are released, and even moreso if somebody pirates them. In fact we shall be paying you a visit.

Quite right, it's your money

Music INDUSTRY Music BUSINESS

Why be surprised about money. For Example, this COMMUNITY project, lot of hard work, lot of real effort and probably one or two hopes and aspirations too, how would you feel if a bootlegger from a similar site, started knockin them out for free ? Annoyed ? Or is it a case of well, its what the net is about, bootleggin aint a rip off, it's not about the money etc. Or is this thing done by degrees ? If so, who gets to be the moderator, who decides who it's okay to fleece. If I was in a band I'd want some total vindictive fucker lookin after me , like that Grant fella with Led Zep or a Rob Gretton, someone who may just be qualified to say who can have a slice of pie and who can do one . And these two examples were PART of a business, the Music Business, do you think that they did'nt like music ? I'd love to have worked for a record company as a younger fella, I'm sure people still enter the industry as a result of a love of music. Promoters make money, big fuckin money. They can also lose it, imagine hiring a venue, staff , backline crew ,caterers, barstaff, security etc and having a handful of people turn up, I worked for a guy who lost fuckin thousands in a bad week, never stopped him tryin again. It was the business he chose to be in , he started Erics in Liverpool,and the International 1 in M/cr, and held a blues night in Rivington where the backline crew exceeded the punters.

Rant over

Or is this thing done by degrees

...or fathoms !;)

Originally posted by Garymac Quite right, it's your moneyMusic INDUSTRYMusic BUSINESSWhy be surprised about money.For Example, this COMMUNITY project, lot of hard work, lot of real effort and probably one or two hopes and aspirations too, how would you feel if a bootlegger from a similar site, started knockin them out for free ?Annoyed ? Or is it a case of well, its what the net is about, bootleggin aint a rip off, it's not about the money etc.Or is this thing done by degrees ?If so, who gets to be the moderator, who decides who it's okay to fleece.If I was in a band I'd want some total vindictive fucker lookin after me , like that Grant fella with Led Zep or a Rob Gretton, someone who may just be qualified to say who can have a slice of pie and who can do one . And these two examples were PART of a business, the Music Business, do you think that they did'nt like music ?I'd love to have worked for a record company as a younger fella, I'm sure people still enter the industry as a result of a love of music.Promoters make money, big fuckin money. They can also lose it, imagine hiring a venue, staff , backline crew ,caterers, barstaff, security etc and having a handful of people turn up, I worked for a guy who lost fuckin thousands in a bad week, never stopped him tryin again. It was the business he chose to be in , he started Erics in Liverpool,and the International 1 in M/cr, and held a blues night in Rivington where the backline crew exceeded the punters.Rant over

Yeah, a lot of people have put a lot of time, effort and money into Community. For many people, it could be the lingering hope of having your version of a well-knnown song discovered, and thus a route forward and market opening for original material. For others, it is just the satisfaction of having a record out. For some it has already been heartbreak in not making the album, I know how they feel, and am thankful that we had a second chance in the form of an EP entry as selected by the producers.

At the end of the day, New Order will benefit from Community as they will receive royalties on the songs performed, so it is an all-round good egg.

I must admit I wish we had a manager, someone to take care of the business side of the band in return for 20% of all takings. It would make life a lot easier with booking gigs etc (which you'll all be glad to know we are now doing, at long last), even at this early stage. It won't happen though, the band isn't something that is ever going to replace our careers, we're all too long in the tooth and far down different roads for that.

Roger Eagle RIP, one of the really influential people in my musical upbringing. Without Eric's......who knows ?

Originally posted by Casey Ryback > > Or is this thing done by degrees

...or fathoms !;) touche !:D

Originally posted by Detweiler > > > Yeah, a lot of people have put a lot of time, effort and money into Community. For many people, it could be the lingering hope of having your version of a well-knnown song discovered, and thus a route forward and market opening for original material. For others, it is just the satisfaction of having a record out. For some it has already been heartbreak in not making the album, I know how they feel, and am thankful that we had a second chance in the form of an EP entry as selected by the producers.> > At the end of the day, New Order will benefit from Community as they will receive royalties on the songs performed, so it is an all-round good egg.> > I must admit I wish we had a manager, someone to take care of the business side of the band in return for 20% of all takings. It would make life a lot easier with booking gigs etc (which you'll all be glad to know we are now doing, at long last), even at this early stage. It won't happen though, the band isn't something that is ever going to replace our careers, we're all too long in the tooth and far down different roads for that.> > Roger Eagle RIP, one of the really influential people in my musical upbringing. Without Eric's......who knows ?

Good points , well made Their is a realy good obit/tribute to Roger somewhere on t'internet, I cant remember the site , but it's a scouse guy who used to do Blues nights talkin about Rogers love of music, it's a realy good read, I'll try and find it. I once sat between Roger and Bruce Mitchell when they were on a reminiscence spree, awestruck and dumbfounded hardly conveys it, they held the room captive.

Roger Eagle..Eric's.