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I'm listening to Truth right now, for the first time in quite a while, and you know what? I think that track is PURE NEW ORDER. All the elements are there -- great typical Joy Division drums -- great Hooky bass -- dark synths -- Barney's guitar -- everything!
They should DEFINITLY play that song on the next tour!!!!!
I think we should start a petition... 
Originally posted by I don't want to be just a number in Society I'm listening to Truth right now, for the first time in quite a while, and you know what? I think that track is PURE NEW ORDER. All the elements are there -- great typical Joy Division drums -- great Hooky bass -- dark synths -- Barney's guitar -- everything!
They should DEFINITLY play that song on the next tour!!!!!
I think we should start a petition...
Yup, put my name down. One of their best ever tunes. The western works version is particularly atmospheric... Funnily enough, I think DNE is probably the weakest track on the album. After a fantastic start, it just gets very repetitive and seems to go nowhere else.....
Originally posted by five hates six > Originally posted by I don't want to be just a number in Society> I'm listening to Truth right now, for the first time in quite a while, and you know what? I think that track is PURE NEW ORDER. All the elements are there -- great typical Joy Division drums -- great Hooky bass -- dark synths -- Barney's guitar -- everything!
They should DEFINITLY play that song on the next tour!!!!!
I think we should start a petition...
Funnily enough, I think DNE is probably the weakest track on the album. After a fantastic start, it just gets very repetitive and seems to go nowhere else.....
I've always said that, after the first few seconds it's a duffer. Can't see the appeal of it to be honest.
Originally posted by Detweiler 3.63 > Originally posted by five hates six> > > > Originally posted by I don't want to be just a number in Society> > I'm listening to Truth> right now, for the first time in quite a while, and you know what? I think that track is PURE NEW ORDER. All the elements are there -- great typical Joy Division drums -- great Hooky bass -- dark synths -- Barney's guitar -- everything!
They should DEFINITLY play that song on the next tour!!!!!
I think we should start a petition...
Funnily enough, I think DNE is probably the weakest track on the album. After a fantastic start, it just gets very repetitive and seems to go nowhere else.....
I've always said that, after the first few seconds it's a duffer. Can't see the appeal of it to be honest.
Brian Edge put it well in his "Pleasures & Wayward Distractions" book: "stirring though it is, fails to climax". Hooky obviously realized this too after a while, hence the screams during live performances.
why doesnt new order play stuff from their '81 days. they play joy division stuff now. it would be great to hear procession, lonesome tonite, murder (even if they have never played it before), dne, truth, chosen time, senses, i would orgasim that show. does anyone know why new order doesnt put that on their set? is it because they are too lazy to redo what is actual talent progression lol
well that material is amongst their most played stuff since they played them all for 4 years or so, I guess they're just bored of it. digging into the past for them seems to only involve JD stuff and not movement (or technique for that matter).
Movement IS a coherent album compared to the other great albums soon to follow, which often seem thrown together... but makes you wonder if MH discouraged some of the obvious electronic german style dance interests the band was having... you get the feeling that energy and creativity being put into "Everything's Gone Green" (still a brilliant track, timeless)and "Procession" and true "mesh" singles was being filtered out of the album. some more of that style and energy probably belonged on Movement.
Movement was made by a very creative band in the middle of their peak creative period, and should not be dismissed or ignored by fans. these guys were a great band but seems like a lot of fans don't like the more experimental stuff of the early and mid 80s... this is great stuff!
I like Movement... I just wish the band were more creative now. They 'went pop' basically after Power, Corruption & lies I think. I prefered it when they were being experimental
While stating that I love Movement, I would not call it their most creative endeavor, certainly after Closer. The only additional creativity was a further step with electronics. Of course, writing the lyrics for the first time was a new step.
The real creative peak was the mid 1981 through mid 1984 time span--Temptation, Hurt, 586, Leave Me Alone, Blue Monday through The Perfect Kiss. Most of these songs were developed live (do they ever practice) the climax was the weekly tweaking of TPK (see Geri). Many of the Low-Life tunes were played live before they hit the studio.
After Low-Life things went to hell IMHO. While As it i when It Was and BLT are awesome most of the Brotherhood work is not a resounding step forward. Their subsequent hiatus that produced Technique, however much better than Brotherhood and much more refined than Low-life, was really the last great creative peak but not even close to the leaps they made in 81-84. So they got better equipment and Barney could finally sing. Nothing groundbreaking.
I am not going to touch Republic or Get Ready except to say that perhaps Get Ready is closer to Movement than anything else they did. Created after a break up and reformation, a struggle for a new sound, emphasis on guitar and jamming.
what i mean by "creative peak" is by counting from mid 1979 thru Closer sessions Joy Division was peaking and as you say i would agree that New Order was a force until the mid 80s, then in the late 80s pretty much refined their style instead of pushing it. Movement was made in the period between Closer and Power, Corruption, and Lies... Ian's death was a obvious tramatic pothole and Barney was not comfortable as lead vocalist, but musically this is still the same cast of characters... people shouldnt just ignore the record.
so what went wrong, if anything? it is such a facile answer to say that the guys were just "depressed" over the suicide. did Martin hamper the sound too much?
Movement is a great album in my opinion (coloured by history). It is a piece of art in a world filled with loads of crap produced by other bands. This thread made me play it again at this very instant (listening to truth now).
Well this thread goes outside of movement to 'early new order'. I love it all.
Movement is great and so are all those early singles. The Taras performance of EGG is what made me go and buy an electric guitar. The whole sound is sharp and angular, yet yielding and personal.
an amazing time really as they sought to find a voice both in sound and words and struggle through with the promise of early technology.
From Truth with its almost seamless change between beats to Chosen Time which is the prototype of rock n roll with synths it is all goooood.
Originally posted by Casey Ryback Chosen Time is the correct one. Track errors on albums,cd's and videos etc were quite common in the Factory era.
right, so why is it that ICB is the first song listed for the teras shevchenko show that was put on 3.16? they want to stay true to the original factory mistake?
The entire history of this band is one of mystery and mistakes. Just like Cries&Whispers and Mesh on Substance. That's why we love them. Too bad ICB was not performed that night. Still a great early gig.
