more stupid questions :p — Forum Archive

28 Jul 2004, 16:01

#1: Why did New Order play so few songs off Get Ready while touring in support of it? Was it just that they had to make room in their typically small setlist for "the hits" or were they unable to play about half of the album due to other (tenchical) reasons?

#2: Why hasn't New Order ever properly recorded, in a non-live situation, LWTUA, their largest hit as Joy Division? I could see why they'd do Isolation since it had a different arrangement when they played it in 1998, but they even recorded Atmosphere, despite it being essentially the same. It just seems strange that a band so accustomed to flogging their back catalogue for all its worth (remixes, sessions CD, etc.) would neglect such an obvious landmark song.

28 Jul 2004, 22:50

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope #1: Why did New Order play so few songs off Get Ready while touring in support of it? Was it just that they had to make room in their typically small setlist for "the hits" or were they unable to play about half of the album due to other (tenchical) reasons?

Well, let's see, they did Crystal, 60 MAH, Close Range, Slow Jam, Rock The Shack, Turn My Way... they didn't play Vicious Streak, Primitive Notion, Someone Like You and Run Wild..

They did 60% of the album live, if you compare this to Republic, it's more or less the same ratio as usual... the only one they could have done IMHO is Primitive Notion... Vicious Streak and Run Wild would be boring live, SLY without Gillian wouldn't mean anything.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope #2: Why hasn't New Order ever properly recorded, in a non-live situation, LWTUA, their largest hit as Joy Division? I could see why they'd do Isolation since it had a different arrangement when they played it in 1998, but they even recorded Atmosphere, despite it being essentially the same. It just seems strange that a band so accustomed to flogging their back catalogue for all its worth (remixes, sessions CD, etc.) would neglect such an obvious landmark song.

You don't count the Peel Sessions as "non live" right? it's not a real studio session.. the best bet is, the band wasn't confident enough to record it in 1998, plus, please, do we really want a version of LWTUA with the whoops and the "C'mon" from Hooky? :scratch:

28 Jul 2004, 23:06

Well, I consider Peel sessions to be "non-live," but I don't believe they've ever played LWTUA in such a recorded session AS NEW ORDER.

28 Jul 2004, 23:16

why dont they just re-record evry jd song while there at it.

i thnk you may find the answer there

29 Jul 2004, 01:07

Originally posted by Spotnick [bThey did 60% of the album live, if you compare this to Republic, it's more or less the same ratio as usual... the only one they could have done IMHO is Primitive Notion... Vicious Streak and Run Wild would be boring live, SLY without Gillian wouldn't mean anything.

But the ratio used to be sooo much better during the Movement era... :rolleyes:

/TLV

29 Jul 2004, 07:17

Good point, are peel sessions live or non-live

I consider them to be live.

29 Jul 2004, 07:27

Originally posted by DoN Good point, are peel sessions live or non-liveI consider them to be live.

There are loads of overdubs in the Peel sessions. Can we consider them live? :confused2:

29 Jul 2004, 07:31

Originally posted by DoN Good point, are peel sessions live or non-liveI consider them to be live.

They are recorded live, so I don't understand how anyone can think of them as non-live :scratch:

I think the songs they never played from Get Ready could have been played - but we know how much the band like practising songs for tours don't we! Personally I would have loved Run Wild to be blended in just after the fast songs at the start of the set - Primitive Notion would have fitted in well before TF, Touched, Temp.....

29 Jul 2004, 07:33

Originally posted by One Brain > Originally posted by DoN> Good point, are peel sessions live or non-live> > I consider them to be live.

There are loads of overdubs in the Peel sessions. Can we consider them live? :confused2:

I'll get me coat....

29 Jul 2004, 07:34

They could have closed with RW

Still I cant quite imagine Hooky saying.. now everyone hold up your lighters in the air and swaaaay!

29 Jul 2004, 15:54

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Spotnick> [bThey did 60% of the album live, if you compare this to Republic, it's more or less the same ratio as usual... the only one they could have done IMHO is Primitive Notion... Vicious Streak and Run Wild would be boring live, SLY without Gillian wouldn't mean anything.

But the ratio used to be sooo much better during the Movement era... :rolleyes:

Back in those days they did not have a huge back catalogue, so they had to just about play every song they had live.

/TLV

30 Jul 2004, 00:45

Originally posted by DoN Good point, are peel sessions live or non-liveI consider them to be live.

Same here.

3 Aug 2004, 09:33

Originally posted by Buffy > Originally posted by DoN> Good point, are peel sessions live or non-live> > I consider them to be live.

Same here. I agree with you darling. :love2:

3 Aug 2004, 12:13

Peel sessions aren't live as they aren't a single take recorded in real time. They are recorded in one day and the band can have as many takes, overdubs, corrections as they want in the time available - no different to any other stdio session.

3 Aug 2004, 12:24

so many stupid questions,so little time. every second coounts whem i am with you. :nuts:

3 Aug 2004, 14:57

Originally posted by Jamie Fairlie Peel sessions aren't live as they aren't a single take recorded in real time. They are recorded in one day and the band can have as many takes, overdubs, corrections as they want in the time available - no different to any other stdio session.

yeah plenty of time to get the backing tapes ready for the live shows

4 Aug 2004, 00:57

Originally posted by Spotnick SLY without Gillian wouldn't mean anything.

I take it you're referring to the female backing vocals?... Still convinced that's not her. Her voice ain't that strong.

Andy

4 Aug 2004, 00:59

Originally posted by Buffer Low > Originally posted by Buffy> > > > Originally posted by DoN> > Good point, are peel sessions live or non-live> > > > I consider them to be live.>

Same here. I agree with you darling. :love2:

To me they're just studio recordings of the live arrangements. A live recording would have either gone out live on air, or been recorded in front of an audience.

Andy