New New Order album update...

We may possibly get a New Order album for Christmas.

I guess the guys aren't so lazy after all.

Is it right that this album will be in a simular vein to Technique?, i hope so as I for one didn't think much of the 'guitar' songs on 'Get Ready'. They seem to do 'electronic' stuff a lot better. Did either the band or London records make any money with 'Get Ready'?, I am wondering if it is financially viable for them and whether that has an impact on release dates. Naivety:(

I'll give them a year to release any new stuff.

This is great news!!! Hope we get a new record before those guys are in nursing homes...they need to tour and support their album...especially in the states!!!

Oh, you know they'll just chuck the results from these recordings and go back into the studio for a "Lord of the Rings"-themed concept album...:p

Seriously, it would be great if the new album comes out Xmas-time or earlier. Here's hoping...

New album by christmas,you mean a Greatest Hits surely?

And here I was hoping that there was some SUPER NEW AND FRESH news about the new album once the site came back up.

If the mixing of the new album is completed "by the end of September" a release date in October is not out of the question, provided things like the video, remixes/B-sides and artwork of the first single are sorted out before the album is completed rather than afterwards. However, if something happens to push the earliest possible release date back to November or December I suspect the release date will be put back to January 2005 because October and November is the time when record companies look to put out the albums which are most likely to be the biggest sellers of the year because November and December are the months when most albums are sold (if I remember rightly more albums are sold in those two months than in the rest of the year).

The prospect of a genuinely new New Order album may be popular with the band's fans but unless the album is very poppy indeed or they've become gangsta rappers (most of the few genuinely new albums that get released in December tend to be gangsta rap albums) the record company isn't going to see it as a top priority so if they can't release it before the Christmas rush they will hold back until January when it will have a better chance of getting airplay and getting a chart position which will earn it more airplay. So if I was a betting man I'd put money on it appearing in the shops in January 2005. However, the record industry has changed significantly since the last time a new New Order album was released so I would also be tempted to put a bet on at least one track from the album being made available through the likes of the iTunes Music Store in late 2004.

Sounds brilliant! If they do manage to release it in December, guess what's going on my Christmas list? :D

december? bah! the label has to tool up for a promotional plan, video's take forever, it usually takes a few weeks to churn out enough copies to properly "release" the thing across europe and the states, let alone the rest of the world... then ship and distribute them, along with the rest of London's releases. it is a huge task to release records, and if London doesn't see NO as one of their primary releases for the next 6 months, they aren't going to rush it to the front of the line.

Originally posted by Shelley Blair Sounds brilliant! If they do manage to release it in December, guess what's going on my Christmas list? :D

Hot pants?

Originally posted by periwinkle december? bah! the label has to tool up for a promotional plan

A label promoting NO?

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by Shelley Blair> Sounds brilliant! If they do manage to release it in December, guess what's going on my Christmas list? :D

Hot pants?

So did New Order officially get dropped from Warner/Reprise and get picked up by Rhino?

Hmmm...

Seeing that Hooky said it was a March release, I'm going for a March release.

Just because it's finished, doesn't mean it'll be released staright away.

*They will want to organise a tour. *Get the artwork done (we all know about that). *The record label will wnat to release it so it doesn't clash with other London releases. *Doesn't clash with a major artist release.

If London/NO can't make mony out of a millionselling album then they're just as bad as Factory.

I'll ALWAYS go with Hooky rather than an anonymous 'source close to the band. Hooky

Originally posted by Jeff how long does it take to organize 5 shows?!?!?! :p

On past NO form, a f*****g long time!! :D

Brilliant news. I cant wait for it. To be honest, Im just as interested with what saville will come up with for the cover as the material. What drugs are the band doing these days? - always a good basis for what the album will sound like. Also - is the source close to the band called David Sultan?

The most important thing - for me anyhow - is that ill FINALLY get to see NewOrder live sometime soon.

:)

i hope they go the route they did with "here to stay". that single alone means more to me than get ready.

Originally posted by kamar khan i hope they go the route they did with "here to stay". that single alone means more to me than get ready.

I'll second that

Originally posted by Clockwork C The most important thing - for me anyhow - is that ill FINALLY get to see NewOrder live sometime soon.

Same here.

I *heard* the Lansdowne show. By leaning out a window of my dads office block (on Lansdowne Road).

Sounded shit, though...

Originally posted by MYOB > Originally posted by Clockwork C> > The most important thing - for me anyhow - is that ill FINALLY get to see NewOrder live sometime soon.

Same here.

I *heard* the Lansdowne show. By leaning out a window of my dads office block (on Lansdowne Road).

Sounded shit, though...

mmmHmm. I heard terrible things off friends who went. Why support the RHCP Ill go to england to see them next time, instead of waiting for certain crapness.

Originally posted by Clockwork C > Originally posted by MYOB> > > > Originally posted by Clockwork C> > > > The most important thing - for me anyhow - is that ill FINALLY get to see NewOrder live sometime soon. >

Same here.

I *heard* the Lansdowne show. By leaning out a window of my dads office block (on Lansdowne Road).

Sounded shit, though...

mmmHmm. I heard terrible things off friends who went. Why support the RHCP Ill go to england to see them next time, instead of waiting for certain crapness.

Same, I'm going to impose myself on relatives in Manchester, but probably go to a Dublin one if there is one anyway

Originally posted by Johnny Giles

Originally posted by Dave Fox *Doesn't clash with a major artist release.

The release date of Get Ready clashed with FOUR other major releases.....Bjork's greatest hits, The Strokes, Slipknot and another one I can't remember. I do clearly remember walking into HMV to be confronted by their new release rack and having to search for Get Ready.

The HMV (a rather large one where i live ) where I got my copy of Get Ready really pushed it. They were playing the album in the store and had a fair spot for it on the new release shelf. Mind you, I do recall the in-store charting having Get Ready in the top ten. Just a little promo can go a long way.

It might also help if New Order put their name on the cover of the album. These days, most people are going to pass it by if they don't see who it is. For example, the average person sees on a shelf " System of a down ", "Linkin Part Remixes", " Moby ", " (some up and comming indy group) " and then an album with a picture of a lady and a red line on it. Unless you bother looking at everything or know the album is out already, chances are you wont even sample it. The cover of Get Ready looked like a chillout techno cd anyway.

Point being, advertising by shops and radios AS WELL as decent marketing from New Order should help the sales along greatly. Because we know the music isnt the problem :D

It might also help if New Order put their name on the cover of the album.

But that's the point, I guess. You can obviously recognize New Order records in stores as most of them don't wear any name or title on their sleeves. Clever strategy for promotion, isnt't it?

Originally posted by Spotnick Usually, there is a sticker on the album stating it's a New Orde record...Plus, it was written on Retro !

well 'A Means To An End' had 'END' written on it in large letters. as i was walking through hmv it made me stop in my tracks. it smelt of saville. i was right. i wasnt looking at the JD rack at the time, was just wandering through. its not just the lack of a name, theres something about the saville design.

Originally posted by Rainmaster > It might also help if New Order put their name on the cover of the album.But that's the point, I guess. You can obviously recognize New Order records in stores as most of them don't wear any name or title on their sleeves. Clever strategy for promotion, isnt't it?

Well, you can and I can recognise it, cos we are long-time fans. But what about somebody who knows nothing about the Order but likes their latest single? If their attention is not caught by something more evident than a no-name-no-title sleeve, they'll never buy the CD cos they won't notice it.

Originally posted by MYOB > Originally posted by Clockwork C> > The most important thing - for me anyhow - is that ill FINALLY get to see NewOrder live sometime soon.

Same here.

I *heard* the Lansdowne show. By leaning out a window of my dads office block (on Lansdowne Road).

Sounded shit, though...

It was :bag:

Originally posted by Ben > Originally posted by Rainmaster> > > > It might also help if New Order put their name on the cover of the album.> > > > But that's the point, I guess. You can obviously recognize New Order records in stores as most of them don't wear any name or title on their sleeves. Clever strategy for promotion, isnt't it?

Well, you can and I can recognise it, cos we are long-time fans. But what about somebody who knows nothing about the Order but likes their latest single? If their attention is not caught by something more evident than a no-name-no-title sleeve, they'll never buy the CD cos they won't notice it. They could just go up to the counter and ask for the "new New Order CD"

Originally posted by Solitude Is it right that this album will be in a simular vein to Technique?, i hope so as I for one didn't think much of the 'guitar' songs on 'Get Ready'. They seem to do 'electronic' stuff a lot better.Did either the band or London records make any money with 'Get Ready'?, I am wondering if it is financially viable for them and whether that has an impact on release dates.Naivety:(

I guess if you don't get it then you just don't get it. Times of changed! The album was fucking great! Just bad promo! Maybe you should try some MDMA and absorb the truth.

Yes, of course, forgot that chemicals provide the truth. Nice first post, way to go, insulting the respected NOOL elders !

But that's the point, I guess. You can obviously recognize New Order records in stores as most of them don't wear any name or title on their sleeves. Clever strategy for promotion, isnt't it?

and they are usually placed under the card that reads "new order".

Originally posted by Jeff Tucker > Originally posted by Solitude> Is it right that this album will be in a simular vein to Technique?, i hope so as I for one didn't think much of the 'guitar' songs on 'Get Ready'. They seem to do 'electronic' stuff a lot better.> Did either the band or London records make any money with 'Get Ready'?, I am wondering if it is financially viable for them and whether that has an impact on release dates.> Naivety:(

I guess if you don't get it then you just don't get it. Times of changed! The album was fucking great! Just bad promo! Maybe you should try some MDMA and absorb the truth.

You must be joking mate... Technique vs Get Ready, no comparison. I'll pop a few pills methinks and put Technique on!

Originally posted by Clockwork C Brilliant news. I cant wait for it. To be honest, Im just as interested with what saville will come up with for the cover as the material.

It's far from clear that Saville will do, or even art direct, the sleeve. He's recently described continuing to do record sleeves as being like "doing your O levels [school exams] again and again and again ..." and seemed to have limited interest in even doing a neworder one.

Let's hope he changes his mind. Neworder without a Saville sleeve would be like Neworder without Gillian ...

I reckon Hooky should take over as lead singer for the new album to freshen things up a bit... seriously! :) I've always thought that he'd make a better frontman and he's no worse at singing than Barney!

Originally posted by DShamen I reckon Hooky should take over as lead singer for the new album to freshen things up a bit... seriously! :)I've always thought that he'd make a better frontman and he's no worse at singing than Barney!

nope

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by DShamen> I reckon Hooky should take over as lead singer for the new album to freshen things up a bit... seriously! :)> I've always thought that he'd make a better frontman and he's no worse at singing than Barney!

nope I concur, David.

Originally posted by DShamen I reckon Hooky should take over as lead singer for the new album to freshen things up a bit... seriously! :)I've always thought that he'd make a better frontman and he's no worse at singing than Barney!

I can't listen to Hooky's voice. It sounds like he's got gravel stuck in his mouth.

Originally posted by Buffer Low > Originally posted by Ben > Originally posted by Rainmaster> > > > It might also help if New Order put their name on the cover of the album.> > > > But that's the point, I guess. You can obviously recognize New Order records in stores as most of them don't wear any name or title on their sleeves. Clever strategy for promotion, isnt't it?

Well, you can and I can recognise it, cos we are long-time fans. But what about somebody who knows nothing about the Order but likes their latest single? If their attention is not caught by something more evident than a no-name-no-title sleeve, they'll never buy the CD cos they won't notice it. They could just go up to the counter and ask for the "new New Order CD"

I was talking about the casual and impulse buyers who probably don't know the new album is even out because the promotion was so dismal. most people i knew had no clue new order had a new album to even ask for.

Originally posted by Jeff Tucker > Originally posted by Solitude> Is it right that this album will be in a simular vein to Technique?, i hope so as I for one didn't think much of the 'guitar' songs on 'Get Ready'. They seem to do 'electronic' stuff a lot better.> Did either the band or London records make any money with 'Get Ready'?, I am wondering if it is financially viable for them and whether that has an impact on release dates.> Naivety:(

I guess if you don't get it then you just don't get it. Times of changed! The album was fucking great! Just bad promo! Maybe you should try some MDMA and absorb the truth. You know where you can shove your MDMA Jeff. I reckon' in the 24 years of listening to N.O., has given me an inclination to form an opinion of what I like and dislike. Tim, who 'ya calling an 'elder'.

Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be > Originally posted by DShamen> I reckon Hooky should take over as lead singer for the new album to freshen things up a bit... seriously! :)> I've always thought that he'd make a better frontman and he's no worse at singing than Barney!

I can't listen to Hooky's voice. It sounds like he's got gravel stuck in his mouth.

Just an idea... ;)

Originally posted by E.Costello Yes, of course, forgot that chemicals provide the truth. Nice first post, way to go, insulting the respected NOOL elders !

Well said!

Originally posted by kamar khan i hope they go the route they did with "someone like you". that single alone means more to me than get ready.

Fixed it for ya

The only thing I want in my life is a new NEW ORDER album. And also it would be to nice to have a complete video collection on DVD including some best live performances and TTOTP appearances. :) I'm keeping my fingers crossed and I even have a saved up sum for the upcoming New Order stuff (i.e. singles, DVDs, album + a new order special).

Hello. I've ben away for half a year, and now I've returned, there's absolutely no news on New Order and their forthcoming releases. It's nice to know that there are people in this world even lazier than me.

Hi Julijana, wondered where you'd gone to ! Nothing's changed round here. They're still writing/recording the album, still no news of gigs. Rocket Mick's been arrested in Germany, Celtic still haven't lost a game, and Seb has gone mad. Apart from that, it's business as usual.

At least they could release a single. A new single. I agree to wait for another, say, year but if only the new single would have been released by the end of the fall. What are they waiting for? Sometimes I think they'd better be owned by Universal or EMI.

Originally posted by Spotnick I recently heard through the grapevines that New Order lost a producer, hence they have cancelled stuff to be able to pass more time in studio. They will be there all October.Now, I have no idea which producer, but apparently, the next Hooky DJ date has been cancelled.Now, I can't confirm this, so take it or leave it...! Hence why I won't post this on the front page before I can confirm this.But my source is very credible, so you can trust this information...

hmmmmm...not so sure this is a good sign...

hopefully its not...

--that the producer did not think the music was good enough to put his name on? --That the label didn't think enough of the music to keep paying for an expensive producer --that the songs need more work before really being distilled.

Or maybe Barney was just his usual difficult self in the studio

Dave

When i think of the new album this is how i feel:

:)

Are they still signed to London Warner? Cos I thought Retro was their contract filler which meant they were free of the label. I hope they're now on their own label or something cos if they still are signed to London Records then there's no chance of getting the new album on nice shiny black vinyl the week it comes out - as far as I know Get Ready was never issued on vinyl cos London recirds never bothered to press enough copies the lazy useless cheapskates.

As many other NewOrderphiles will attest - nothing beats the sound of decent good quality heavyweight vinyl - with big wide grooves. Two slabs of 12" vinyl would be a perfect format for any forthcoming LP. Digital obviously has its strengths but artwork wise the CD booklets are always far inferior. Peter Savilles art is best appreciated in 12-inch squares. New Order are one of the few bands whose artwork has NEVER been given full respect when it comes to the CD versions of their albums.....the format doesn't do it any justice.

Originally posted by By 'Eck! My Neck! Are they still signed to London Warner? Cos I thought Retro was their contract filler which meant they were free of the label. I hope they're now on their own label or something cos if they still are signed to London Records then there's no chance of getting the new album on nice shiny black vinyl the week it comes out - as far as I know Get Ready was never issued on vinyl cos London recirds never bothered to press enough copies the lazy useless cheapskates.

It was, I have a copy, as do a few others on here. It came out about a month or more after the c.d mind.

Oh how I do love the sound of good vinyl on a really good turntable!! Get Ready really comes out of the box, so to speak, when spinning on the table!!!

Totally agree with the Saville theory of his 12" artwork when compared to the chinsy CD shite!!

Ive got the cassette of Get Ready.Its a bugger folding the inlay back to fit in the case!.And it hasn`t got extra tracks at the end of each side like the old days re the Power,Corruption And Lies ,Low - Life and Brotherhood cassettes:)

Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by By 'Eck! My Neck! As many other NewOrderphiles will attest - nothing beats the sound of decent good quality heavyweight vinyl - with big wide grooves. Two slabs of 12" vinyl would be a perfect format for any forthcoming LP. Digital obviously has its strengths but artwork wise the CD booklets are always far inferior. Peter Savilles art is best appreciated in 12-inch squares. New Order are one of the few bands whose artwork has NEVER been given full respect when it comes to the CD versions of their albums.....the format doesn't do it any justice.

They COULD release CDs in a larger box (DVD casings for instance)... but they won't!

Yeah, but it just doesn't have the ol' glory of the 12".

Can you believe it, all the new songs they have recorded are sitting there somewhere, they actually exist. Can't wait for the release.

Originally posted by Sir CHUNKS > Originally posted by Spotnick> > > > > > Originally posted by By 'Eck! My Neck!> As many other NewOrderphiles will attest - nothing beats the sound of decent good quality heavyweight vinyl - with big wide grooves. Two slabs of 12" vinyl would be a perfect format for any forthcoming LP. Digital obviously has its strengths but artwork wise the CD booklets are always far inferior. Peter Savilles art is best appreciated in 12-inch squares. New Order are one of the few bands whose artwork has NEVER been given full respect when it comes to the CD versions of their albums.....the format doesn't do it any justice.

They COULD release CDs in a larger box (DVD casings for instance)... but they won't!

Yeah, but it just doesn't have the ol' glory of the 12".

Actually i might buy some DVD boxes and print off some art work from the net and i`ve got my personal copy of Low Life or whatever in a DVD box.

Damn those who keep bringing this thread to the top, getting my hopes up for a moment

Originally posted by Spotnick As far as I know, they are still with London Records.. I'm more curious to see if they will still be on Rhino in the US.. that's the 3rd label they have been in the last years! (Qwest, Reprise, then Rhino)...

Oddly enough, I desperately hope that New Order isn't on Rhino for good, simply because their logo would utterly mess up the consistency of Saville's Design.

Originally posted by Clockwork C > Originally posted by MYOB> > > > Originally posted by Clockwork C> > > > The most important thing - for me anyhow - is that ill FINALLY get to see NewOrder live sometime soon. >

Same here.

I *heard* the Lansdowne show. By leaning out a window of my dads office block (on Lansdowne Road).

I was there & the sound WAS sh1t - but it got better as it wore on. Me & the wife were some of the odd ones who left after NO while loads more were comming in for the Chillies - we got some odd looks from security! Best bit was Hooky F-ing up the intro to 60 miles so they just stopped & tried again!

Hope its a smaller venue next time - they were brilliant in the Point in '93

Sounded shit, though...

mmmHmm. I heard terrible things off friends who went. Why support the RHCP Ill go to england to see them next time, instead of waiting for certain crapness.

Originally posted by By 'Eck! My Neck! New Order are one of the few bands whose artwork has NEVER been given full respect when it comes to the CD versions of their albums.....the format doesn't do it any justice.

Lets be honest,they haven`t had a decent sleeve since Run2,with maybe Regret the exception,both the "Republic" and "Get Ready" stuff was quite poor.

Regards the new album.Aparrantly they had to ditch a couple of songs because they sounded too similar to Mr.Brightside and Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine off The Killers album Hot Fuss.This was stated by The Killers and may or may not be true.

New Order mentioned:

http://entertainment.msn.com/celebs/article.aspx?news=168621

Originally posted by Andy New Order mentioned:http://entertainment.msn.com/celebs/article.aspx?news=168621

Cheers for the link....i have just bought the 80's 808 ACID mix of BLUE MONDAY today.I still listen to BOWIE/BOLAN(70's) and TALK TALK,some great music in the early 80's.God ...i am getting OLD!

...good news...

FAO: SPOTNICK, did you get the snail mail ???????

...ay carramba, more good news !... ...and at last, may I beg for the title 'salvation member' - in my modesty...

with kindly regards, The Saviour.

Originally posted by Spotnick according to Jonathan Scott (usually reliable source), the album will be released in MARCH 2005.So we have hope!

Management for the band confirmed march as well

March, that's almost half a year. I can't wait.

Ah well I'think I'll manage.

If March is the album date...does that mean that we'll get a single beforehand?

probably.

though that would be jan at the earliest i'd have thought...

Great stuff, and not before time either:)

YES!!!

Originally posted by MCD So did New Order officially get dropped from Warner/Reprise and get picked up by Rhino?

I may be wrong, but I don't think Rhino does anything but reissues. I can't think of anything that first appeared on the Rhino label.

Originally posted by Spotnick according to Jonathan Scott (usually reliable source), the album will be released in MARCH 2005.So we have hope!

I really hope this is true. The first few months of the year are usually really dull so this would be something exciting to look forward to.

Heres hopingXxx

My birthday is in March,what a present a new album would be!

Originally posted by Spotnick Only problem with March for me is that I'll be very quite busy at this moment. I'm *hum*, supposed to become a father by then...So it'll be quite hard to update NOOL if the album is indeed released by then...

Congrats Nic...just had a baby boy (well my wife did actually) two weeks ago...welcome to the club!

Nic, name the kid Hooky!

March 12 would be a nice day for the new album and/or any other surprise.