JD songs NO should(n't) play

List what JD songs you like or would like to see played by the Order, and what songs you would prefer they didn't.

Should not: Digital. The Finsbury Park performance made me cringe. They managed to turn a serious song into a bit of a joke.

Should: Disorder. Not as 'angry' as some JD songs and Bernard would have to try really hard to mess up on the vocals.

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I agree with all of the above

DIGITAL absolute heavy laden bollocks

HEART & SOUL (nearly soiled myself down the front of Ali Pali whn they played it (all time fave)

ISOLATION (liked the way it has been reinvented)

SHE'S LOST CONTROL jury is out on that one

ATMOSPHERE now overplayed and feels like it has lost the sentiment but i love the lighting (give it a rest boys)

TRANSMISSION still a belter

NEW DAWN FADES allright then but Moby

SISTER RAY too much fucking Star Trek for me Scotty

LWTUA ;) always a winner and id like to see them have a go at DECADES INTERZONE DISORDER SHADOWPLAY

But then again.......... oh i don't fucking know :bag:

I would really like to listen to them playing Means to an End. I think would lead a great rendition.

Originally posted by Lee Malin I would really like to listen to them playing Means to an End. I think would lead a great rendition.

Perhaps......... I don't think the NO fans would dig it if they didn't like JD stuff. A bit gutteral for them. :bag:

Isolation is the only JD song I really enjoy hearing NO play.

I have yet to see NO play live so any of them would be good for me. I don't think NO should play Ceromony though. I know NO recorded as their own but Barney really can't cope with the vocals on that song the music always seems to drain him out.

LWTUA is always got to be good just for the attompshere of the crowd I would imagine. It is JDs staple song so it will always go down well.

She's Lost Control is a difficult song I would imagine to sing well so its best left to Ian Curits although a short 1 minute instrunmental version would be nice.

Decades - I don;t think NO have ever played this live if they have it probably would have either reduced the audience to tiers or emptied the room :p

New Dawn Fades - One of my favourite JD tracks so I would love to hear this live.

Transmission - One of JDs more up beat tracks so should be good life.

Attompshere - I agree with what others have said about Barney not quite reaching it.

I know I have critised Barney's voice a bit on this post but he isn't Ian Curtis and he dosn't pretend to be. Barney's voice was made for tracks such as Blue Monday or True Faith were it really suits.

To be honest I don't really enjoy the Joy Division tracks at all I normally skip them on both the 316 and 516 DVD's... with the exception of Isolation and Atmosphere.

Barney sounds fine on Ceremony but you can tell his vocal style isn't quite there yet. I think it was the mid 80s when Barney started to develop that soft pop-like style which you hear on True Fauth and Regret. You can tell the difference when you listen to the original Temptation and then listen to the one from Substance. Was alot deeper when NO first started.

Ceremony is fucking class!

While it is nice to see them able to break out the JD material, it just isn't the same. Not the same intensity. Bernard, to be fair, doesn't do them justice.

Isolation was good, and as I say to see them playing really old stuff like Digital is nice but they should pick what they play a bit more carefully.

i wish i saw them play heart & soul. one of my fave tracks of all time.

i don't think they should play early JD stuff for sure like Glass, Failures, Ice Age, etc. But would love them to do a whole JD Substance set, you know? Starting from Warsaw to LWTUA. That would be pretty cool.

To these ears, the only JD songs they have ever done justice were Decades (twice in 1984) and Transmission. They've managed to ruin the rest, Barney's vocals just don't suit them.

I wish they wouldn't do any of them at all, except maybe as an occasional treat. A set with half a dozen JD songs in just doesn't feel right to me. Leave the JD to Reilly and the Ticktocks.

They must play them all, right now! And plenty of whooping and screaming by Barney is preferred!!!

Sorry Spotty...

Yeh, I got to admit the "COME ON" and whooping is a bit much.

NewOrder shouldn't play any Joy Division songs, as JD were inferior to NO anyway, & it just makes Bern, Pete & Steve look like a cheesy, middle-aged, past-it covers band.... Which I guess they are!

I still think Gareth Gates should cover 'LWTUA', it'd really get his career back on track! ;)

Originally posted by James Stephen Barnes NewOrder shouldn't play any Joy Division songs, as JD were inferior to NO anyway, & it just makes Bern, Pete & Steve look like a cheesy, middle-aged, past-it covers band.... Which I guess they are! I still think Gareth Gates should cover 'LWTUA', it'd really get his career back on track! ;)

Oi!!! Somebody needs a hug! JD will NEVER be inferior to NO in anyway.

How can NO be a cover band of their own songs?

Maybe NO have every right to "cover" JD songs seen as how they're basically the same band, but didn't Barney say years ago that NO would never play JD songs again? A musician's promise: not worth the breath it's wasted on...

Originally posted by James Stephen Barnes Maybe NO have every right to "cover" JD songs seen as how they're basically the same band, but didn't Barney say years ago that NO would never play JD songs again? A musician's promise: not worth the breath it's wasted on...

Yes he did say something along those lines but I don't recall that being a promise. And they have been playing JD tunes all along...they never really stopped playing them through the 80's at all...just not with the frequency they are played today.

they shouldn't play any JD songs anymore, ever again. but should play HERE TO STAY and while they're at it dig out EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN again.

Tough room. Ouch people...Well, I, will not desire NO to NOT play the JD tunes...They ae just too good to be religated to some old vault somewhere to get dusty.

Love thy past.

i think if they are to play the JD songs be more serious, ian was serious in his songs while bernard dances and woops

Well, I, will not desire NO to NOT play the JD tunes...They ae just too good to be religated to some old vault somewhere to get dusty

...the same argument that leads to The Doors still touring even though two of the band aren't with them anymore (1 for obvious reasons) and with Ian Astbury standing in for the dead guy as he seems to do often these days (The Doors, MC5). It's a matter of dignity, and whooping and whistling through JD songs is just embarassing.

Originally posted by johnny james > Well, I, will not desire NO to NOT play the JD tunes...They ae just too good to be religated to some old vault somewhere to get dusty...the same argument that leads to The Doors still touring even though two of the band aren't with them anymore (1 for obvious reasons) and with Ian Astbury standing in for the dead guy as he seems to do often these days (The Doors, MC5).It's a matter of dignity, and whooping and whistling through JD songs is just embarassing.

I find it embarassing through New Order tunes too

Originally posted by johnny james they shouldn't play any JD songs anymore, ever again.but should play HERE TO STAY and while they're at it dig out EVERYTHING'S GONE GREEN again.

I'd like them to play HTS, but I'm afraid it'll pale in comparison to the single version, like Crystal did. With both songs, I liked them because of the vocals, but, live, the vocals for Crystal just sounded strained.

Drop Digital, maybe let Hooky have a go at some of them instead.

As a further comment,some of the older NO stuff should be dusted off as well, esp. to give Blue Monday a bit of a holiday. Tracks I have in mind are (1)EGG (2)Procession(3)Dreams Never End & (Shuggsy's Fave) (4)Subculture. There's plenty of others I'm sure that deserve being done live again as well.

Originally posted by Sir CHUNKS Tough room. Ouch people...Well, I, will not desire NO to NOT play the JD tunes...They ae just too good to be religated to some old vault somewhere to get dusty. Love thy past.

Why will JD songs get "consigned to an old vault to get dusty" just because NO don't play them live? As long as people still own & listen to the JD records & CDs, they aren't going to be forgotten.

Originally posted by johnny james

Well, I, will not desire NO to NOT play the JD tunes...They ae just too good to be religated to some old vault somewhere to get dusty

...the same argument that leads to The Doors still touring even though two of the band aren't with them anymore (1 for obvious reasons) and with Ian Astbury standing in for the dead guy as he seems to do often these days (The Doors, MC5).

I saw the latest version of the Doors at Wembley Arena this year and I have to say that they were fucking fantastic. They opened with the famous choral piece (Old Spice advert showing my age!) and a massive projection of Morrison American Poet. Everyone went fucking mental. Astbury's voice as Morrison was fantastic and I have to say with the hair and the outfit it was quite spooky.

Not degrading to the memory of Morrison in any way. In fact very respectful. And very good.

Have you seen the latest incarnation?

:bag:

I always wanted to hear them play NOVELTY.

I think the recent bout of JD tunes in the Order's set should have exorcised that particular ghost, so I'd be happy if they left the JD tunes out next time around, or at least pared them back.

However, I wish people would stop moaning about Bernard's irreverent "whoops" during said Joy Divison numbers. What's "embarrassing" isn't Barney's (over-)exuberance, but the more-than-a-little-adolescent belief amongst some members of the NOOL community in the 'sanctity' of that particular combo's back catalogue.

Let it go, boys, let it go.....

Originally posted by Doctor Clayhead I think the recent bout of JD tunes in the Order's set should have exorcised that particular ghost, so I'd be happy if they left the JD tunes out next time around, or at least pared them back.However, I wish people would stop moaning about Bernard's irreverent "whoops" during said Joy Divison numbers. What's "embarrassing" isn't Barney's (over-)exuberance, but the more-than-a-little-adolescent belief amongst some members of the NOOL community in the 'sanctity' of that particular combo's back catalogue.Let it go, boys, let it go.....

I was watching the Something Else performance and the intensity and mood of that performance was incredible - on the other side of the spectrum to what NO are like.

Originally posted by Wasimple I was watching the Something Else performance and the intensity and mood of that performance was incredible - on the other side of the spectrum to what NO are like.

I remember this the first time it was shown.Classic stuff and one the MAIN reasons i got into JOY DIVISION in the first place.

Rocket Mick........how the hell can you remember that far back?

Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by James Stephen Barnes> Maybe NO have every right to "cover" JD songs seen as how they're basically the same band, but didn't Barney say years ago that NO would never play JD songs again? A musician's promise: not worth the breath it's wasted on...

Well, New Order wouldn't be back together then... in 1998, that's probably the reason they got back together and did gigs again, since they had no new material, they went in the past....

I don't mind, it's their song after all... I don't see 2 bands.. they just changed the name.

That's the spirit Spotty!! I could not have said it any better!!

They should play whatever the hell they want. I'd love to hear them play more JD songs, as long as they get them to sound right. That said, it's a bit hard to really get into the songs when they are so personal and someone else is singing them.

well yes, they are the same band......but they have evolved so much from even the Movement era, there's nothing precious about it, it's just that JD songs were of a completely different mood and mindset. they just can't do any JD song, it won't work. not to mention the fact that they don't have a remotely similar guitar setup, nor drum setup (with all that sampled stuff). they have moved on so much it seems wrong really.

So let me get this straight...any band that had been around for 20+ years, who has managed to evolve some and possibly even have a lineup change in there somewhere...should not play their old tunes? That just seems very wrong to me.

I think this would appy then to many bands out there and it seems foolish to suggest that just because they have moved on a bit they shouldn't dig back and have a romping good time playing those tunes that put them on the map in the first place!

Let the Joy Division material rest I say. Play more New Order, like some Technique songs.

If the Cure can still play songs from their first album, New Order can pla Joy Division.

I don't really mind what they play, with the exception of LWTUA, as long as there's a good mix of old and new.

Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be If the Cure can still play songs from their first album, New Order can pla Joy Division.

I don't see any similarities between the JD/NO situation & the Cure playing stuff off their first album. Then again, you probably just used this thread as an excuse to mention the Cure, who are, these days, quite frankly shite.

I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't fuck them up nearly every time they play them !

Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be If the Cure can still play songs from their first album, New Order can pla Joy Division.

Frankly, that is a pile of pooh. You make it sound as though Smith/Gallop and the others who I could't name are in some way superior to anything else and as such, others should follow their lead.

There has not been a good Cure album since 1982, 22 fookin' years! and before you say 'Disintegration', it is totally overated. Pity as I really liked The Cure from '79 to '82 but they have bad since they kicked Tolhurst off the drum stool.

Originally posted by Solitude > Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be> If the Cure can still play songs from their first album, New Order can pla Joy Division.

Frankly, that is a pile of pooh. You make it sound as though Smith/Gallop and the others who I could't name are in some way superior to anything else and as such, others should follow their lead.

There has not been a good Cure album since 1982, 22 fookin' years! and before you say 'Disintegration', it is totally overated. Pity as I really liked The Cure from '79 to '82 but they have bad since they kicked Tolhurst off the drum stool. I don't mean that they're superior, but their lineup has changed since 1979, and only Smith is there, but the band still plays the songs. The instrumentation sounds completely different, especially when Porl was in the band, but they still play them. Now, JD/NO is different for obvious reasons, although I kind of like Isolation with Barney singing.