JD songs NO should(n't) play

Originally posted by Sir CHUNKS Tough room. Ouch people...Well, I, will not desire NO to NOT play the JD tunes...They ae just too good to be religated to some old vault somewhere to get dusty. Love thy past.

Why will JD songs get "consigned to an old vault to get dusty" just because NO don't play them live? As long as people still own & listen to the JD records & CDs, they aren't going to be forgotten.

Originally posted by johnny james

Well, I, will not desire NO to NOT play the JD tunes...They ae just too good to be religated to some old vault somewhere to get dusty

...the same argument that leads to The Doors still touring even though two of the band aren't with them anymore (1 for obvious reasons) and with Ian Astbury standing in for the dead guy as he seems to do often these days (The Doors, MC5).

I saw the latest version of the Doors at Wembley Arena this year and I have to say that they were fucking fantastic. They opened with the famous choral piece (Old Spice advert showing my age!) and a massive projection of Morrison American Poet. Everyone went fucking mental. Astbury's voice as Morrison was fantastic and I have to say with the hair and the outfit it was quite spooky.

Not degrading to the memory of Morrison in any way. In fact very respectful. And very good.

Have you seen the latest incarnation?

:bag:

I always wanted to hear them play NOVELTY.

I think the recent bout of JD tunes in the Order's set should have exorcised that particular ghost, so I'd be happy if they left the JD tunes out next time around, or at least pared them back.

However, I wish people would stop moaning about Bernard's irreverent "whoops" during said Joy Divison numbers. What's "embarrassing" isn't Barney's (over-)exuberance, but the more-than-a-little-adolescent belief amongst some members of the NOOL community in the 'sanctity' of that particular combo's back catalogue.

Let it go, boys, let it go.....

Originally posted by Doctor Clayhead I think the recent bout of JD tunes in the Order's set should have exorcised that particular ghost, so I'd be happy if they left the JD tunes out next time around, or at least pared them back.However, I wish people would stop moaning about Bernard's irreverent "whoops" during said Joy Divison numbers. What's "embarrassing" isn't Barney's (over-)exuberance, but the more-than-a-little-adolescent belief amongst some members of the NOOL community in the 'sanctity' of that particular combo's back catalogue.Let it go, boys, let it go.....

I was watching the Something Else performance and the intensity and mood of that performance was incredible - on the other side of the spectrum to what NO are like.

Originally posted by Wasimple I was watching the Something Else performance and the intensity and mood of that performance was incredible - on the other side of the spectrum to what NO are like.

I remember this the first time it was shown.Classic stuff and one the MAIN reasons i got into JOY DIVISION in the first place.

Rocket Mick........how the hell can you remember that far back?

Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by James Stephen Barnes> Maybe NO have every right to "cover" JD songs seen as how they're basically the same band, but didn't Barney say years ago that NO would never play JD songs again? A musician's promise: not worth the breath it's wasted on...

Well, New Order wouldn't be back together then... in 1998, that's probably the reason they got back together and did gigs again, since they had no new material, they went in the past....

I don't mind, it's their song after all... I don't see 2 bands.. they just changed the name.

That's the spirit Spotty!! I could not have said it any better!!

They should play whatever the hell they want. I'd love to hear them play more JD songs, as long as they get them to sound right. That said, it's a bit hard to really get into the songs when they are so personal and someone else is singing them.

well yes, they are the same band......but they have evolved so much from even the Movement era, there's nothing precious about it, it's just that JD songs were of a completely different mood and mindset. they just can't do any JD song, it won't work. not to mention the fact that they don't have a remotely similar guitar setup, nor drum setup (with all that sampled stuff). they have moved on so much it seems wrong really.

So let me get this straight...any band that had been around for 20+ years, who has managed to evolve some and possibly even have a lineup change in there somewhere...should not play their old tunes? That just seems very wrong to me.

I think this would appy then to many bands out there and it seems foolish to suggest that just because they have moved on a bit they shouldn't dig back and have a romping good time playing those tunes that put them on the map in the first place!

Let the Joy Division material rest I say. Play more New Order, like some Technique songs.

If the Cure can still play songs from their first album, New Order can pla Joy Division.

I don't really mind what they play, with the exception of LWTUA, as long as there's a good mix of old and new.

Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be If the Cure can still play songs from their first album, New Order can pla Joy Division.

I don't see any similarities between the JD/NO situation & the Cure playing stuff off their first album. Then again, you probably just used this thread as an excuse to mention the Cure, who are, these days, quite frankly shite.

I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't fuck them up nearly every time they play them !

Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be If the Cure can still play songs from their first album, New Order can pla Joy Division.

Frankly, that is a pile of pooh. You make it sound as though Smith/Gallop and the others who I could't name are in some way superior to anything else and as such, others should follow their lead.

There has not been a good Cure album since 1982, 22 fookin' years! and before you say 'Disintegration', it is totally overated. Pity as I really liked The Cure from '79 to '82 but they have bad since they kicked Tolhurst off the drum stool.

Originally posted by Solitude > Originally posted by This blue-eyed boy that wants to be> If the Cure can still play songs from their first album, New Order can pla Joy Division.

Frankly, that is a pile of pooh. You make it sound as though Smith/Gallop and the others who I could't name are in some way superior to anything else and as such, others should follow their lead.

There has not been a good Cure album since 1982, 22 fookin' years! and before you say 'Disintegration', it is totally overated. Pity as I really liked The Cure from '79 to '82 but they have bad since they kicked Tolhurst off the drum stool. I don't mean that they're superior, but their lineup has changed since 1979, and only Smith is there, but the band still plays the songs. The instrumentation sounds completely different, especially when Porl was in the band, but they still play them. Now, JD/NO is different for obvious reasons, although I kind of like Isolation with Barney singing.