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I’m growing tired of the New Order attitude… I mean, it looks like they don’t give a damn about what it is to be on the market. I know, the Rolling Stones, Sex Pistols and a great deal of other big groups didn’t care for fans either. But we talk about New Order. For God’s sake, let’s face it – Bernard Sumner is the center of it all. If he says ‘fuck it’, be sure there’ll be nothing. The same guy who used to say that it was a great pleasure for him to create music, to create something new. Now they take years to record a damn LP, don’t play a damn concert in America where a lot of people have been waiting them all those years. Did he lose his interest or fascination with music? They are damn musicians, right? I mean, they became neither cooks, nor policemen, they chose to be musicians. And they are growing old now, like we all are. And they say, 'fuck off'. That's an ever-optimistic statement but we are left with no music. And that's the point. :shrug: _ So what are they doing? Sitting on the sofa watching TV, buying gardens, playing with guns, sailing the ocean, going to restaurants? Family? Isn’t there anything creative anymore? I can tell: there are families that kill the creativeness of such desperate souls like B. Sumner’s.:nono: Remember –

“There’s no food on our plate, So we beg and we steal For we know love is real”?

Or:

“I spent lifetime working on you And you don’t even talk to me”

Now what? :jawdrop: He would write a song about what? I’m not surprised. Their songwriting is something. The only guys who came close in terms of beauty and wit are Neil Tennant (though recently he sings only about growing old) and Mark E. Smith (a really inspiring chap!).

What do you think? :beer:

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I assume their lives come first,not the fans. I know my life comes before NewOrder! The album will be out when its ready,we`d all like a new album every couple of years but it aint gonna happen. And do you really wanna see them on stage at 60 like the Rolling Stones?

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Originally posted by SPtwo ...do you really wanna see them on stage at 60 like the Rolling Stones?

That woul be the most ruthless nightmare of my life... But what a hell, we are all growing old. When you'll be 60, you'll be grateful to them perfoming "Decades", for example :wink:

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Originally posted by A severe young man What do you think?:beer:

You have too much time on yer hands:D

Good morning Mike;)

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New Order are getting old Mr severe young man, and as you get old you start to slow down, it will happen to you eventually, get use to it. :D

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Originally posted by Buffer Low:bestof: New Order are getting old Mr severe young man, and as you get old you start to slow down, it will happen to you eventually, get use to it. :D

:thumb:

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There's nothing left to prove to anyone now, including themselves. No need to work. They've put the hard yards in for over 20 years. Let's just be grateful that they enjoy what they do enough to want to write some more songs even though they don't need to. Patience is a virtue peeps!

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Err?

Their last album was recorded in 2001, their last single was 2002. Their last gig was 2002 and they have all played quite recently. I have seen all the New Order members in Manchester clubs this year and they are still very much active. They have been busy with their family lives and recording their new album.

THey will probably tour America when the album is released. However Barney was saying in an interview they don't like travelling far or doing big stadium gigs any more because its too preasure on them. Instead they prefer smaller venues or festivials were they are not the main act. THey are justdoing smaller stuff these days. I saw Hooky DJ'ing in a club with the capacity of no more than 300 people. ALthough he had the typical rockstar arrogance underneath when you actually talk to him he is just a normal humble man from Salford and Barney is probably the same.

Certainly in Steve's case he hasa lot of family commitments so just remember they are only human like the rest of us so if they feel they have too much commitments to travel accross the globe to do tiring tours then that is fair enough. Remember they are nearly 50 so they won't have the same energy they had 25 years ago.

Just be thankful you're not a Morrissey fan you would have to wait 12 years for a gig and 7 for an album!

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Originally posted by Nick Name There's nothing left to prove to anyone now, including themselves. No need to work. They've put the hard yards in for over 20 years. Let's just be grateful that they enjoy what they do enough to want to write some more songs even though they don't need to. Patience is a virtue peeps!

I agree 100%. :thumb:

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As someone who said FCUK to the ratrace at 40 i think they have done well to bother at all.Life is for living and as you get OLDER you do NOT want to tolerate and do things that make you UNHAPPY.Why do they need to compromise.I am glad they are still bothering at all.I know if i could i would NEVER work again.So a BIG round of :beer: to THE ORDER.

LAST ORDERS AT THE BAR.............i should coco

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Will I get shot down in flames for suggesting that this is yet one more example of cross-Atlantic incomprehension? New Order are a band who occasionally make records; not "artists" who release regular "product" and shift "units".

And long may it continue.:thumb:

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Originally posted by Buffer Low:bestof: > Originally posted by Nick Name> There's nothing left to prove to anyone now, including themselves. No need to work. They've put the hard yards in for over 20 years. Let's just be grateful that they enjoy what they do enough to want to write some more songs even though they don't need to. Patience is a virtue peeps!

I agree 100%. :thumb:

So do I! :nod:

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Originally posted by Doctor Clayhead Will I get shot down in flames for suggesting that this is yet one more example of cross-Atlantic incomprehension? New Order are a band who occasionally make records; not "artists" who release regular "product" and shift "units".And long may it continue.:thumb:

Nuh, no shooting required. :thumb:

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Originally posted by Ian MadManc Err? Their last album was recorded in 2001, their last single was 2002. Their last gig was 2002 and they have all played quite recently. I have seen all the New Order members in Manchester clubs this year and they are still very much active. They have been busy with their family lives and recording their new album. THey will probably tour America when the album is released. However Barney was saying in an interview they don't like travelling far or doing big stadium gigs any more because its too preasure on them. Instead they prefer smaller venues or festivials were they are not the main act. THey are justdoing smaller stuff these days. I saw Hooky DJ'ing in a club with the capacity of no more than 300 people. ALthough he had the typical rockstar arrogance underneath when you actually talk to him he is just a normal humble man from Salford and Barney is probably the same. Certainly in Steve's case he hasa lot of family commitments so just remember they are only human like the rest of us so if they feel they have too much commitments to travel accross the globe to do tiring tours then that is fair enough. Remember they are nearly 50 so they won't have the same energy they had 25 years ago. Just be thankful you're not a Morrissey fan you would have to wait 12 years for a gig and 7 for an album!

They did record Vietnam and the Peter Saville Show Soundtrack quite recently....

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Their last gig was only 2-and-a-bit years ago: a mere blink of the eye in Neworder time.;)

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Offended, no. Grateful they're still around, yes. Bewildered that some people still seem to miss the point. maybe I've just got old too let the fuckers get on with it, whatever it is they do. I'll be offended only when they really do call it a day and that's for selfish reasons.I just hope I've got one more concert to go to.

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Originally posted by Ian MadManc Err?Remember they are nearly 50 so they won't have the same energy they had 25 years ago.

Bite yer tongue!

Ladies, he's just kidding... heh heh...

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i think ill still be kickin the same way i have been for the past 16 years, im a kid at heart lol

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Originally posted by Spike i think ill still be kickin the same way i have been for the past 16 years, im a kid at heart lol

Kid at heart? You're just a kid. Period.

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Hmm... you're all right guys... Actually I have always admired their do-whatever-you-want attitude, too. I don't know... I guess I got upset with those recent news that the release of the new LP keeps being delayed due to the studio incompleteness. In April Hook said they had been recording, now it's September and to crown it all they've lost their producer... I know them. I just want to hear the new stuff so badly!!:D

BUT ONE THING: What about "Retro'? I know it's a nice release... we all bought it. But don't tell me you all were satisfied with it. So here is the point - a great chance for releasing rarities was lost. And now people keep asking themselves, where one could get the compactdisc Run2, where this, where that... See..., but that was just a matter of proper thinking.:shrug:

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I dont like NewOrder altittude either... or I just might be drunk... oh, fuck it all... :beer2:

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Originally posted by Server Error in "/" Application I dont like NewOrder altittude either... :

Love....of life....makes you feel....higher.......

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Originally posted by A severe young man where one could get the compactdisc Run2, where this, where that... See..., but that was just a matter of proper thinking.:shrug:

The problem with releasing that is wouldn't they risk being sued again unless they give a large amount of royalities to John Denvor's trust fund? I have nearly bought it on 12" by my local record shop was asking £8 for it! I bet at that price its still been on the shleves since the days when Rob Gretton could be seen in there.

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Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by Spike> i think ill still be kickin the same way i have been for the past 16 years, im a kid at heart lol

Kid at heart? You're just a kid. Period.

You're just a period. A big, nasty, messy, clot-filled one. Period. :rofl:

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