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joy division + new order + great producer = radiohead??
ok, take a great charismatic singer, a band who don't care about changing directions and pissing off their core audience, enigmation apperance, a great modern day producer -
don't you think theres a case of ripping of going on here? don't get me wrong i love radiohead (as they are now). but feel they've kinda nicked no + jds clothes in some way.
discuss...
Radiohead came out when they first started saying Joy Division were a big influence, to be honest, I haven't really got into their last couple of albums, but Pablo Honey, The Bends and OK Computer were cracking albums....particularly The Bends.
Interesting theory, but I think they have a style all to themselves.
Originally posted by Pogue Mahone joy division + new order + great producer = radiohead?? ok, take a great charismatic singer, a band who don't care about changing directions and pissing off their core audience, enigmation apperance, a great modern day producer - don't you think theres a case of ripping of going on here? don't get me wrong i love radiohead (as they are now). but feel they've kinda nicked no + jds clothes in some way. discuss...
I kinda see what you are getting at, but would argue that there is no way that JD/NO were the first band to do this......The Beatles may well argue that they led the way in terms of changing directions and great producers. Every successful band needs to reinvent itself to a certain extent if they are to stay fresh and marketable (he says as the image of Francis Rossi causes him to punch his keyboard), in New Order's case, it has been the sound that evolved.
Originally posted by ShugZV© Radiohead came out when they first started saying Joy Division were a big influence, to be honest, I haven't really got into their last couple of albums, but Pablo Honey, The Bends and OK Computer were cracking albums....particularly The Bends. Interesting theory, but I think they have a style all to themselves.
Totally agree.
The last 3 albums are noticeable influenced by Pink Floyd, and THATS why neither you and me got into.
Their change of directions is actually a change of influence - bad influence :barf:. The change of directions in JD/NO history was pushed exactly by what happened historicaly to them plus the evolution of their sound.
Thats the difference, and thats why, despite of the changes, we had always got into JD/NO. Or not?
Originally posted by Server Error in "/" Application > Originally posted by ShugZV© Radiohead came out when they first started saying Joy Division were a big influence, to be honest, I haven't really got into their last couple of albums, but Pablo Honey, The Bends and OK Computer were cracking albums....particularly The Bends. Interesting theory, but I think they have a style all to themselves.
Totally agree.
The last 3 albums are noticeable influenced by Pink Floyd, and THATS why neither you and me got into.
Their change of directions is actually a change of influence - bad influence :barf:. The change of directions in JD/NO history was pushed exactly by what happened historicaly to them plus the evolution of their sound.
Thats the difference, and thats why, despite of the changes, we had always got into JD/NO. Or not?
The last three albums are the only ones NOT influenced by Floyd (thank god). OK Computer is THE floyd album updated. absolute shit too.
Radiohead pre KidA were crap, they realised this, and created 3 of the best albums of the last 5 or so years (amnesiac being the best of the 3).
Floyd are pants. So too were pre KidA Radiohead. I have to say that I think Server Error and Shug are totally wrong on this one
Conor, I have to agree with you. Kid A and Amnesiac trump all of their previous albums, but their latest work hasn't grown on me at all (maybe it's the album title's connotations :p ). I think Kid A is a better album overall, but Amnesiac has my favorite track by Radiohead, "Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors".
Conor pull yer head out yer arse son, the first 3 albums were crap? Surely yer kidding me on?
I'll agree to disagree with you and Tristan on which are the better albums. Each to their own as they say:p
Pablo Honey was a crap album-no one would of guessed theyd be as big as they are today. The Bends is good,but they were turning a little too much into U2 sounding rock. The turning point was definitely OK Computer,they did a complete u-turn and as someone else has said,took a huge gamble by going against what fans expected (and wanted?). For me it was where i went from thinking their ok to thinking they were special. As good as NewOrder? Without doubt-the NewOrder of the 90s.
I think they deserve some sort of credit for not sticking to a FORMULA. 'The bends' was good in an easy listening kinda way. The production on 'Kid A' is the closest they've got to sounding like JD/NO.
Interpol resembles JD days. Anyone who listen will at least imagine that.
But KID A???? Fuck me. If you think that is not Pink Floyd u should stop or start drinking mushroom tea!
Thom Yorke and Sparklehouse sounds familiar for you?
You're right Interpol 'Turn on....' does. 'Antics' not so much.
The tracks on Kid A are not really what I was getting at. It's only the production that sounds like the late 70's early 80's experimental era. I've never listened to floyd, except maybe DSOM in the background, although I did offend someone once by suggesting THEY sounded like simple minds' first album. Only for the banter of course.
We're just giving opinions here, I know. Ok. But I must say that the first time I heard KID A I thought of Pink Floyd. Amnesiac too. "Hail" not that much. And then, years later, I hear "wish you were here" by Thom & Sparklehouse. Well, this is enough to me to definetely realize that Pink Floyd was playing way too much in their CD players...
I personally think that radiohead are in the whole shite! but creep has got to be one of the best songs i have heard!
Radiohead are awfully overrated pish and most definitely don't hold a candle to JD/NO. For a start, there's about five of them, and together they create the most uninteresting guitar/electro doodle drone fronted by a bloke who sounds like he's got his testicles caught in a slowly tightening vice If I ever hear them on the radio, the "off" button is hit a millisecond after the vocals kick in. I was very disappointed at Johnny Marr's comments of "being in awe" when one of the anonymous Radiohead guitarists played him that Knives Out track; perhaps one of the most ordinary and least memorable guitar songs released in the past ten years.
Q Magazine here in the UK absolutely love Radiohead, one of the main reasons I stopped buying that celebritized rag. All Radiohead would have to do is collectively break wind and remix it several times with an orchestra and it would get five stars from that magazine, arseholes! But seriously, I was always gobsmacked at the level of adoration they got for bog standard, not-as-clever-as-it-thinks-it-is "music". I think perhaps the UK music press were desperate to elevate a Brit band to legendary status at the end of the nineties for some reason. Noticably Q, ever the bandwagon jumpers, went from gushing about U2 to Oasis to Radiohead to Coldplay, with a smattering of Robbie fucking Williams in there for good measure. And god, their unending LISTS! "Greatest album ever", "Greatest idol ever", "Greatest songwriter's pet", "Greatest "greatest list"", etc. as Morrissey would say "This story is old, I know, but it goes on".
I reiterate: Radiohead = pretentious pish.
Ally. 
Radiohead are, without a doubt, the best 'rock' band currently in existence.
They don't really have a weak album in the catalog. 'Pablo Honey' is probably the weakest but still decent. 'The Bends' and the last three records are fantastic, and 'OK Computer' is a friggin' masterpiece.
"Everything In Its Right Place" is an incredible piece of music,totally unique and definitely one of the best records never to be a single.
My mate Ernie reckons that Radiohead are what Joy Division would sound like if IC was still alive
Wow, Ally...you couldn't be more off about Radiohead. I love New Order and also love Radiohead. I am actually starting to like their music more, because at least they are releasing and supporting their albums on a semi-consistent basis. New Order, truthfully, is losing me. They don't release anything new, they don't tour the United States, and they seem to be going no where.
Radiohead's best album in my opinion would be "Kid A". There is absolutely nothing out there that resembles that album; it is absolutely unique! You really cannot say that about NewOrder's albums, but Kid A and OK Computer are just a back to back masterpieces!
New order will have its place in history, but their history, sadly, is planted in the 80's, whereas, Radiohead has stretched their career into two separate decades. Their latest album, Hail to the Theif, was another masterful record. If you can listen through "Sit Down, Stand up" without almost vicerally feeling their pain and anguish, you probably have no central nervous system.
Radiohead pours their hearts into their albums and it shows. From the looks of it, their next album is going to be equally as successul as their last and their critics will applaud them!
Originally posted by Rob Revilo Wow, Ally...you couldn't be more off about Radiohead. I love New Order and also love Radiohead. I am actually starting to like their music more, because at least they are releasing and supporting their albums on a semi-consistent basis. New Order, truthfully, is losing me. They don't release anything new, they don't tour the United States, and they seem to be going no where. Radiohead's best album in my opinion would be "Kid A". There is absolutely nothing out there that resembles that album; it is absolutely unique! You really cannot say that about NewOrder's albums, but Kid A and OK Computer are just a back to back masterpieces! New order will have its place in history, but their history, sadly, is planted in the 80's, whereas, Radiohead has stretched their career into two separate decades. Their latest album, Hail to the Theif, was another masterful record. If you can listen through "Sit Down, Stand up" without almost vicerally feeling their pain and anguish, you probably have no central nervous system. Radiohead pours their hearts into their albums and it shows. From the looks of it, their next album is going to be equally as successul as their last and their critics will applaud them!
I agree. New Order-best fuckin group ever. Period. Radiohead-this generations answer to the Beatles.
My overall favorite Radiohead album is the Bends, I think that's a shoe-in for any retrospective "best of the Nineties". OK Computer I didn't get so much at first, Kid A is a fave (probably the best overall album they've done), Amnesiac feels like "Kid A Lite", and "hail to the Chief" I have yet to make it all the way through.
Don't discount Pablo Honey; if you listen close enough, there are some top-notch songs ("How Do You", "Ripchord"). But it's a grab-bag of singles and filler 
Overall, I think RH are one of the last truly "experimental"bands left, at least in the sense that no one album sounds the same as the previous one or the one that follows. I think that arguement could be made for any number of groups (The Beatles post-Rubber Soul, New Order, Wham! :p ), but RH are the only current ones I can think of. Belle and Sebastian could concievably be lumped in as "no album sounds the same", except that they work within a narrow pop format as far as I can tell. RH dab into all sorts of things, I think someone who heard "Creep" and then "Knives Out" without knowing the band at all would have a hard time figuring out it's the same band that made both.
So I'm of the RH camp in terms of "crap or not-crap", which as I can tell (much as I was in terms of politics) I'm on the losing side of this arguement :D
Pablo Honey has got to be the worst debut album of all time-for a band that eventually became one of the biggest bands of their time. I think they know this themselves,hence they never perform any of it live-except Creep now and then.
RH may be one of the more experimental bands out there, but the most experimental high profile artist IMO is the Icelandic imp, Bjork.
i've never really associated radiohead with JD, but pink floyd on the other hand...OK computer, that's an obvious one. great album, BTW, and pink floyd's not a bad artist to emulate, in my opinion!
Radiohead largely lost me after OK computer - although I do own the subsequent 3 albums, there seems to be an element of "Emperor's new clothes" to Kid A, Amnesiac, and to a lesser extent, HTTT. After the rabidly glowing reviews for everything Kid A onwards, it seems a legion of fans have swallowed it whole and believed the hype. All of the albums have their highlights, but they are not the Messiahs of modern music people seem to think they are.
I always supected they found it too hard to maintain quality control post-OK computer, so retreated to avant-garde stuff, cultivating an "if you don't like it, you don't understand it" myth. That said, 'Idiotheque' is one of my favourites, but 'Treefingers'...come on, this is taking the piss, surely?
If it smells like a turd and looks like a turd....then I guess it's a turd, folks. Not even close to being in the same league as JD/NO, IMHO.
Just my opinion.
CTB
The problem I have with Radiohead is that they're so wilfully oblique.
they try way too hard not to try, I guarantee that they spend longer getting ready in the morning than anyone here.
I know they profess not to care about fashion, yet clearly try incredibly hard to achieve that "I don't care about fashion" look.
They're music takes a similar form as well, clearly such a prolofic band have made some good tunes, but they're a bit too worthy in general to be taken seriously.
