drum talk

hello-i wd like to know what roland drum gear(spec) steve uses.i am a fan of his style of drumming and am entering the digital domain myself(i use a roland td-6).also,i would like to protect whats left of my hearing, so any advice wd be appreciated-great site!

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Is your keyboard missing the "O", "U" and "L" keys? ;)

Originally posted by Major Tarantino wd?Is your keyboard missing the "O", "U" and "L" keys? ;)

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no -its fine,i'm rushing.i really wanted a reply about my question thanks.

Originally posted by jonny mattock no -its fine,i'm rushing.i really wanted a reply about my question thanks.

Welcome ....someone here SHOULD know but they are probably out on the piss.Will have a lokk for you...back soon. Joy Division Drums. Rogers concert drum kit with 22-inch bass drum, 14-inch Gretsch snare drum, 12-, 13-, 14- and 15-inch hanging concert tom-toms, 15-inch Super Zyn hi-hats 20-inch Earth Ride and Crash Ride cymbals. 18- and 14-inch Zildjan crash cymbals Simmonds twin-channel drum synthesiser Synare three-drum synthesiser Musicaid Claptrap and Boss DR55 drum machine" But no help on NEW ORDER equipment...above info courtesy of JOY DIVISION CENTRAL

http://www.neworderonline.com/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=5856 And try here. http://www.neworderonline.com/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=5856

Last footage I saw of Steve he was playing a Roland TD-10 module with Roland V-Drums. He had a real snare drum (more than likely with a trigger wired up to back to the TD-10) and also a Yamaha Kick (probably with a trigger as well). Looked like he had also started using V-Cymbals.

Funnily enough I have some V-Drums, I think the TD-6 is the one with the rubber pads, if you don't like the feel of the pads and have a trigger you can buy a mesh head for the snare drum - this is what I use it feels a bit more life like than a rubber pad although not totally the same.

I have some old footage of them in the late 80's from the technique days and from what I understand (although I could be wrong) he uses a Roland Octopad, along side a more conventional kit, you can pick up similar but more updated stuff which does a similar thing.

Although these days it looks like he has gone totally electronic with his V-Drums. Hope that helps!

heres hoping steve drops the v-kit and returns to playing his acoustic kit as if you listen to the live recordings the real drums (with the octopad etc) give a much better sound live than this new fangled roland thing. Thats one of the things I loved the most about new order was steves seamless blend of acoustic and electronic drums that no other drummers ever seemed to get right. Go check out PFD or any live boots from the 80's and compare them to the more recent live boots. see what i mean?

Originally posted by Leigh maude heres hoping steve drops the v-kit and returns to playing his acoustic kit as if you listen to the live recordings the real drums (with the octopad etc) give a much better sound live than this new fangled roland thing. Thats one of the things I loved the most about new order was steves seamless blend of acoustic and electronic drums that no other drummers ever seemed to get right. Go check out PFD or any live boots from the 80's and compare them to the more recent live boots. see what i mean?

That would be ideal but less consistent. The trend for their live shows is now simplicity. V-kits are easier to mix for the sound man with less variances from gig to gig. You no longer hear differences with the synth sounds either. Less exciting for us but more convenient for them.

I was in a band about 10 years ago that only ever used sequenced drums live. Regardless of whether they liked our sound, the mixers at the venue liked us because it was so easy to set us up. Before one show my amped packed it in. Using the same principle, I went straight from my processor to the soundboard. Great! One less thing to mike. I never bought another amp.

But its the sound that counts in the end innit? Rough edges and unpredictabilty is where its at when playing live. Who wants consistency? Punters might as well stay at home and listen to the cd/dvd/mp3/wma etc etc if they want the same sound every time

I know what you mean though, they are the laziest band in the world ;-)

Leigh

home taping is killing music

I use a set of Roland TD-8 Vdrums when recording but always use a combined real snare drum (1960's Carlton Premiere) together with an overlayered triggered sample.

In a live setting electronic snare doesn't work for me. Toms are OK though.

If you want to get a good sound on an acoustic kit leave the top skin loose and mic it up, then have the bottom skin tight and again mic it up. Mix the two sounds and you will get a sound that cuts through and doesn't sound dead.

Dave

anoying thing is he never seems to change the sounds mid set to something matching the song, which i thought would be quite easy. ok some settings change (like for crytstal one of the toms becoms the open hi-hat sound), but the bass & snare does not seem to change at all...

Originally posted by Dave Algeo If you want to get a good sound on an acoustic kit leave the top skin loose and mic it up, then have the bottom skin tight and again mic it up. Mix the two sounds and you will get a sound that cuts through and doesn't sound dead.

Excellent tip Dave! Don't forget to listen out for phase when blending. ;)

Also, depending on the drummer, snare, song, etc., I've gotten a pretty full sound placing the mic off the side of the shell several inches. It can sometimes give you a more complete sound with one mic.

Are V-drums as powerful as real ones? I can offer a single word answer

"Atmosphere"

Debate over.

Originally posted by Bentley > Originally posted by Dave Algeo> I've gotten a pretty full sound placing the mic off the side of the shell several inches. It can sometimes give you a more complete sound with one mic.

Yup, tried it Chris, does work well. Also have you ever tried taking another mic and facing it to a wall about 20feet away. It collects some wonderful natural reverb.

Cheers

Dave

nice one guys-interesting stuff,particularly re. j.div gear. i often thought there was no way that you cd replace real drums..but since using samples(from an s2000 and octopad)have changed my mind.and i'm getting lazy.

i like drums