Poll: Keep the post count or not

I'd like to see it stay out of spite for somebody who cared enough to campaign against it.

Thats a strange reason not to visit a forum. Doesnt matter to me although would that mean opening the doors of the weeding forum to everybody?

simple add a box to tick for those who don't want to see them, but don't remove them for the rest of us.

keep 'em. i need every scrap of legitimacy i can get around these parts. at least all of my posts aren't in the off-topic forum (like some people).

tarbox has his own issues after that whole scandal a while back. sour milk and spilt grapes and all that nonesuch.

i enjoy flaunting my almost 4000 posts because it reminds me of just how sick i must be to keep coming back here every day. let the newbies keep their own inferiority complexes...after all, we all had to deal with having a grand total of 3 posts at one time.

The day anyone starts taking Turdbox seriously is the day this site is doomed.

Post counts mean nothing, apart from to those with a chip on their shoulder. I like the option of having them visible or not, as with the avatar.

As you'll remember Spotnick I raised this same point several months ago - make the post count invisible/optional.

From a personal perspective, chalking up a vast number of posts here has only led to abuse from the likes of Turdbox, so I derive no satisfaction whatsoever from seeing 8,987,453 or whatever insignificant number there is aganst my name.

The DAY NOOL's bother what anyone else has to say or NEED to be taking SERIOUSLY themselves because of a POST COUNT is the time to GIVE IN.Everyone visits here for their OWN needs and reasons,some for a laugh,others for WRONG INFO :p ,and others just to get a FEEL on NEW ORDER.If one is bothered by POST COUNTS i have a very good FAILED THERAPIST i could recommend!:D Please do NOT count my opinion of this as a POST. With respect. ROCKET MICK at the COUNTER,fish and chips twice please.BTW just WHAT is the NEW single called?ARE they playing AMERICA and where is GILLIAN? ANSWER is a B-side to SHELLSHOCK in AUSSIE!

Eh who cares? Post counts have been shown for all this time and no one seems to have a genuinecomplaint against it. So don't fix something if it ain't broke.

BTW I believe this is a ploy by Nic so no one sees that he will reach 10,000 posts and appears as a no-life loser...

Only kidding :p

I think the optional viewing is the way to go. Personally I don't care about post counts, there's more to worry about in life. Unfortuntely some others dwell on it day and night and need to get one.

After 26 years of involvement with following this band, experience and memories are the only forms of validation I need, and if it weren't for so many fellow travellers and veterans on here, with whom so much of the history is shared, I wouldn't post anywhere near as much.

I guess, and no doubt this will be backed up by some of the other old timers round here, that the notion of celebrating a milestone stemmed from the change of rank associated with a number of posts. I remember conversations with Liv, Major and Shug etc about what happened when we became members of the Brotherhood, what was next etc. Any marking of a particular milestone sort of stems from that rank allocation, and it all became pretty meaningless when various people (Martian in particular, who placed great store in how many posts he made) moved away and took their leave of the community.

In some ways post count and its associated membership status changes don't give a fair reflection. I, for instance, have been a member of NOOL for over three years and regularly check the website for news etc. but don't use the forums so much (use more when something 'major' is happening). So my post count suggests I'm a newbie when in fact I'm a long-standing member. Point: maybe some membership status change associated with length of time as memeber?

Does anybody really read a forum message and think "what a gobshite", before then checking the post count and changing your mind because, like, s/he's posted a lot so they must know what they're talking about???? "False legitimacy"?????

Absolute arse. It wouldn't bother me if they went to be honest, but I see absolutely no reason for them to do so.

So if it wasn't for ASK ROCKET thread I'd still be a newbie lol

Originally posted by Doctor Clayhead Does anybody really read a forum message and think "what a gobshite", before then checking the post count and changing your mind because, like, s/he's posted a lot so they must know what they're talking about???? "False legitimacy"?????Absolute arse. It wouldn't bother me if they went to be honest, but I see absolutely no reason for them to do so.

As I pointed out in a previuos message (but not very successfully) it's not the reader that's concerned about the number of post, but the poster.

I'm covinced there are people here who get carried away, posting opinion as fact, thinking they carry more weight, purely for the fact they've got nothing else to do in their lives but post here, & have stacked up lot of messages.

Originally posted by Dave Fox > Originally posted by Doctor Clayhead> Does anybody really read a forum message and think "what a gobshite", before then checking the post count and changing your mind because, like, s/he's posted a lot so they must know what they're talking about???? "False legitimacy"?????> > Absolute arse. It wouldn't bother me if they went to be honest, but I see absolutely no reason for them to do so.

As I pointed out in a previuos message (but not very successfully) it's not the reader that's concerned about the number of post, but the poster.

I'm covinced there are people here who get carried away, posting opinion as fact, thinking they carry more weight, purely for the fact they've got nothing else to do in their lives but post here, & have stacked up lot of messages.

Dave - d'ya wanna spare us the lame passive aggression and name names so the "culprits" can respond in person? That way you get to vent your spleen and those awful post count addicts can rack up their high scores!

Always the same from our friendly Mr.Fox - wouldn't mind betting that 75% of his 89 posts have been barbed digs at someone or other. Life's too short for petty quarrels about posting on a bloody internet message board though.

Why does it matter, i like my post count, i worked hard to get here, its like deny someone their rights, if u really want, make them visible, or non visible in edit members thing, thats all, i want my post count DONT TAKE IT AWAY OR I WILL NEVER COME BACK (sadly u will take it away cuase u dont want me to come back....lol)

I'd rather see them go, if forced to choose. But who cares anyway - you're only as good as your last post!

I'd go for the 'let everyone chose for themselves' option. The fact that I may never make it into the top 100 posters won't bother me.

Also, the more stats there are available, the more time I spend on the site - when I should be making money to feed the family

well, honestly, I am not that worried about the post count! I was a bit surprised to see my offsite post made into a thread starter here. I am bummed that what I wrote offhand has become an issue. I will be more careful in the future.

I hope nobody here likes chocolate ice cream, cause I like vanilla! go ahead, chocolate lovers, call me Turdbox...

I would have NEVER posted that quote as a start to a NOO thread - it was posted at the tiny (intimate! dying!) Ceremony list in response to questions about whether Ceremony should continue. So I was trying to hype Ceremony and explain why I like Ceremony. Ceremony has been around since before HTML, and us lame oldtimers like its pure ascii format, and are sad it has declined in the past few years. Ceremony is David to the NOO Goliath, and I never thought in a million years my trying to hype it up a bit would upset anyone. Sorry, honestly.

As I wrote to Nicolas privately before I even saw this post here - I love NOO, I respect him immensely for running it so well for so long, and I continue to read NOO many times a day.

So, yeah, maybe I don't like silly smiley icons and moving gif graphics, but that doesn't mean I am attacking anyone. I am just old school and boring and dig pure ascii - that post was part of me turning in my name for a Ceremony list rollcall, and I typed a paragraph I now regret.

I honestly could care less about post counts I guess. It isn't that I despise them, it is just that I don't see the point of them. But, like I said, I like vanilla ice cream too, and perhaps you like strawberry....

I respect the folks here who have high post counts. They keep this forum lively and keeps me reading. And any New Order fan is brilliant in my opinion.

I guess, when I posted that to the fairly private Ceremony list, I didn't expect it would be a headline post here at NOO. Context should be considered...

Again, I love NOO. I am not kissing up. Proof is that I read the forums and news here everyday, often every few hours.

So, feel free to call me Turdbox. Feel free to dis me. I would think you guys would be more self-confident however, than to let some idiot like me upset you.

My post count? Low cause I am writing music. Original tunes at music.tarbox23.com - new order fans might like tracks 3, 2, 6, 7, 8 off my latest lp. Feel free to give them a listen, it is free and easy, and you just might change your opinion of me.... I dare ya...

Your post count? I love ya whether it is high or low. Either way, I know you appreciate the best music in the world.... and that makes us all in the best club, NOO....

p.s. wouldn't a word count be more accurate anyway, for folks like me who type far too much? (joke).

Must be said, I do rather enjoy your music sir. "One Afternoon" could be a New Order song with some of the strings, very reminiscent of Lonesome Tonight, Every Little Counts and All Day Long in places, not to mention the bass phrase in Sparks' When I'm With You, but there's some Lou Reed (not just the nod to Perfect Day!!) and The The somewhere in the back of your mind. Impressive stuff throughout. "Crude" is probably my favourite.

I suggest adding all and any post in the forum to Julio's account

Fooking sh...,Tim, 10.000 posts???? Get a life, man!

Originally posted by Server Error in "/" Application Fooking sh...,Tim, 10.000 posts???? Get a life, man!

If the number of posts equals the lack of "life", you wouldn't have a website to indulge your Hasselhoff wank fantasies on, would you? Seen who is 300 posts behind? If you deducted all the posts where I have provided some information, helped people with bits and bobs or made live recordings available to people, you'd have about as many as you have chalked up ;)

10,000 posts, you building a big fence ?

Originally posted by Tristan Eh who cares? Post counts have been shown for all this time and no one seems to have a genuinecomplaint against it. So don't fix something if it ain't broke.BTW I believe this is a ploy by Nic so no one sees that he will reach 10,000 posts and appears as a no-life loser...Only kidding :p

That photo of Condoleeza Rice looking like she is pretending to crush somebody's head and make a sound affect for it is the funniest thing I've seen on here....and yes I would agree to change my vote "who cares" instead of the "yes" if I could.

Originally posted by 777 Diggy Mike 777 10,000 posts, you building a big fence ?

Should call you DIGGIN MIKE!:D

Originally posted by 777 Diggy Mike 777 10,000 posts, you building a big fence ?

Don't take a fence Mike, but yow-er rite mite!

...keep it alive, but I dunno, why - just having said anything...

Is it REALLY a big issue? I'm still new to this site, in fact the only reason I found the place is from meeting some of the old regulars a few times at gigs. I knew the nicknames before I'd even got here, but without that it's still pretty obvious who the high post counters are... The ones who've developed a - dare I say it - friendship from being around online and from getting pissed at gigs or whatever. So there are newbies drawn here from Gwen Stefani links or hype created by Krafty-cheese-slice-singles. If they've got something to say, let 'em say it (or point them respectfully towards the FAQ page). If it's something interesting everyone should take it and carry it on regardless of a post count in single figures. Likewise, is someone with a PC of 7000 a waffler, or a valued member of the community? Who cares?! We're all here for our own reasons. Some like to chat, some don't. Some like to just visit to see what's going on.

Surely that's why sites like this are set up?

I used to post on a site where there was a big debate about whether to ban lurkers, for feck's sake!

Keep it. Lose it. Whatever. We all talk shite at times. We all speak with passion about things... Does a league table of numbers matter? Not to me. My tuppence in the hat, thank you. Beer please...

Btw, who's this Gillian people talk about? Was she in a band or something?! :p

I'm going with the "make it optional for those who want to see theirs" crowd on this one.

Removing the post count is totally irrilevant, I don't know how can you take seriously such a thing... I mean even without count we all see who's posting more, right? It's not like we remove the count and tomorrow comes Mr. Joe Bollox and we think he's on the forum since 2001 and has posted hundreds of messages ;) Also many of us come from Ceremony, we know each other, I mean I don't think anyone would think a member called "Warren Lapham" or "Richard Kernin" is a newbie... Finally I never cared when my post count was below 12, anyone here can speak like the others, I just wrote in the same spirit of now back when I started... If someone writes something good they can do it when their post count is low and you can still write a load fo bullshit when your count is above 20000... It's just funny to see the post count, so I'd like to keep it, at least on our viewable profiles, or at the very least in our private area... But removing it wouldn't make sense, it would be like removing our names from the mailing list archive... it's just history, no reason to hide it. If your post count is small and you really care (I actually never expected to reach the 200th post), then use those fookin fingers on your keyboard and increase it! ;)

Hey Seb you wanna hear Tarbox's music? Then go here: http://music.tarbox23.com Just heard something yesterday and he does great stuff...

BTW, I prefer to "show posts" as an option. I would like to not show my number of posts.

Keep 'em please, and if there'll be an option to not view the post count, that'll be fine as well. I'm not one to get hung up on the quality v. quantity argument, I've learned from posters of both sides.

Originally posted by Andrew In some ways post count and its associated membership status changes don't give a fair reflection. I, for instance, have been a member of NOOL for over three years and regularly check the website for news etc. but don't use the forums so much (use more when something 'major' is happening). So my post count suggests I'm a newbie when in fact I'm a long-standing member. Point: maybe some membership status change associated with length of time as memeber?

I'm with ya, Andrew. I've been a member for awhile and followed Ceremony since the mid-90s, but I don't post much on here due to time constraints and such. As for my vote, let's just say I am listening to the "I Don't Care" Dub now. ;)

Keep the post counts and add more boobies.

I miss the online/offline status

not fussed about the post count, but I would like see the return of the 'member offline/online' feature.

Originally posted by twist Keep the post counts and add more boobies.

Agree The online/offline thing was cool too, and "mad supa dupa props" for bringing the stats back.

BRING back the online/offline, and keep post counts but bring it optionally, SAID AND DONE!

oh i so owned....

Don't allow those with less than 200 posts see the post counts.

Originally posted by Ally3000 Personally, I'll try not to offend anyone here, but I do think the users with large post counts (oldMonkey recently being a good example) having a celebratory thread for their 10,000th post is pushing things a bit far. I read that and thought "Nice (if slightly scary) going with the post count mate, but why is this in Digital Republic?" I want to read about Krafty and the new album, not this. Perhaps it had more of a place in one of the other forums and I think I have a fair point here, obviously no disrespect to the guy.

I disagree Ally. Maybe it could have gone in Behind Closed Doors but if you don't want to read the thread you don't have to open it.

Originally posted by Ally3000 I'll try not to offend anyone here, but I do think the users with large post counts (oldMonkey recently being a good example) having a celebratory thread for their 10,000th post is pushing things a bit far. I read that and thought "Nice (if slightly scary) going with the post count mate, but why is this in Digital Republic?" I want to read about Krafty and the new album, not this. Perhaps it had more of a place in one of the other forums and I think I have a fair point here, obviously no disrespect to the guy. I honestly couldn't give a toss about post count but I suppose I do give a toss about contributions and I'm sure oldMonkey's had his fair share.

Ally, the milestone reaching celebration was something started in the site's infancy by a group of longstanding members, who celebrated the change of rank by posting an amusing Oscar acceptance speech-style tract. Over time this got whittled down a bit, there are fewer milestones after all the more posts you make, it's taken 5000 posts to go from Low-Life to whatever rank I have now been assigned......

The post was put in Digital Republic because I was marking the milestone by giving away a free New Order live recording. I had originally thought of hiding the post in the Portuguese forum, or something similar, but then decided to give something to everyone instead. I'm sorry this has offended you, I promise I won't offer to give anything to anyone ever again!

Ally - you're probably my favourite poster here. You always seem to have something interesting to say, and are not afraid to say WHY you like/dislike a track. A refreshing change from the 'I don't like it because it's crap' style of crit. Keep it up!

Like you, I have a mere 120 or so posts to mey name. In fact I'm not sure anyone's noticed me yet!

Fair enough. Two things though, firstly my "start date" is nearly a year out, a long story but one that Seb will no doubt be only too pleased to fill everyone in on when he is in one of his more playful moods

Secondly, I think you may have still missed my point over the milestone thread. Many of the original crew here, the likes of Major T, Liv, Martian etc, used to make an OTT and highly amusing acceptance speech when they reached a certain rank. Shug's biggest milestone speech took 9 hours to read, and was one of the most truly amazing essays on what it is to be a New Order fan, one which struck a chord with all the hardcore, he had got it down to a T. A big T as it happens, Spotnick had to buy a new server to cope with all the people reading it! Obviously the milestone become fewer and further between after a while, and some of the original social posse (yes, NOOL got us all meeting up and drinking etc) went by the wayside, Martian to a parallel universe and Liv to blissful happiness and a new job to name but two. Others replaced them in the field of frequent posters, the site became popular amongst the disaffected yoot of certain United States, who once they had established that New Order weren't playing near them in the near future, that they hadn't covered an Orgy song and that Confusion wasn't their first release, soon settled down to offer a curious blend of complete bollocks and useful insight. If you'd have preferred the 10k post be sent as an e-mail to those who had been major players in this site at the start, then again I can only apologise for cluttering your bandwidth. I make absolutely no apologies to anyone for continuing in the NOOL tradition of noting a posting milestone though. You may be interested to know that I am one of those who voted to have the post count either removed or made optional. The post count is a millstone, no two ways about it.

I voted to keep it.

I got into NO my junior year in high school in early 1986. Seeing some of you crazy bastards with 10,000 posts reminds me - in a twisted way - that I did the right thing back then.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by oldmonkey The post count is a millstone, no two ways about it.

The post-count isn't such a millstone, the fcuking log-in count is! I'm just permanently logged in here, but I guess opening a new browser and seeing NOOL in that, which I'm wont to do cos I work in browsers all day long, means it looks like I'm logging in, then out, about 20 times a day!

Where's Dave Fox when you need him, calling me a sad cnuter, saying I've got no life and no job, hey?!

Wait there. Considering the date of my joining, I shall be one of the biggest loggers here. I have net at home and work. Everytime you enter the site is a loggon. So, I enter the site, see there's only crap threads (Jeff, Trevor), republican apology (Tristan), postmen complainings and Binoche adoration (Mike), and then I leave. But I am a hopeful kid, and I come back to see if there's something more interesting. And then I see crap threads (Jeff, Trevor), republican apology (Tristan), postmen complainings and Binoche adoration(Mike), and maybe Tim scolding at someone or someone scolding at Tim. Hopelessly, I come back again, and then I see the new New Order album, the name of the songs, hear Krafty in first hand, the interviews. And then I start all over again...

So, the number of loggons DOESNT mean anything about the time spent here.

AAAaaaawwwww Diddums

can't believe we are having this vote! only a neurotic, paranoid character would worry about the number of people who replied to their subject.

Sure keep it. Points out who is overly verbose.

I reckon keep it - doesn't really mean anything, but interesting to see - if anyone attaches more importance to a post from a 10000 poster than a 100 poster that's their problem anyway. One day I'll reach a 1000 posts and feel important - my shrink said I shouldn't get my hopes up, but what does he know anyway.

JUST KEEP IT ALREADY JEEEEZ

YOU PEOPLE THESE DAYS!

no love at all for your posts NO LOVE AT ALL!

Making it optional to the *viewer* as well as to the *poster* might be the way to go...some people get a bit hot under the collar over this, so maybe even default this to off. The forum for a lot of folks is conversational, I'm usually much too late to use it in this fashion, of course.

I've just been reading through this. I bet a few posts have been clocked up in this thread alone :)

I really don't care if the post counts stay or go, in fact I didn't even notice they were there until very recently.

I've got no real interest in how many messages each individual member has clocked up, and I haven't got time to read all of the posts anyway, but it certainly doesn't bother me to see individual post counts there. I personally don't think they add to, or detract from, the site at all.

I can only speak for myself but i've found out loads more about New Order from visiting this site and I think the level of activity and energy around this place is fantastic. I love the fact that people here are more than happy to share their experiences, memories, opinions and knowledge of the band so openly with other fans. That's what makes this place special IMHO, not post counts. I know people aren't always going to agree on things, but the little debates around here keep things interesting.