Didn't see a track by track review for Power, Corruption & Lies...

But I'm listening to it right now so my question is about a single song. Did the band record "We All Stand" sitting Indian style in a circle in a hut whilst burning a bucket of spliffs?

Found that more applicable for mass discussion than an American tour, what your favorite NO song is, or if Barney can pound nails with his johnson.

Hope I'm not overstepping my bounds and hope this keeps the conversation flowing...

(Really, though - looking forward to two dates in Boise!)

Two dates in Boise? Don't go telling the moose that you're two-timing it, it'll get upset!

Very, very funny.

The elk will never find out...

Like Movement and Low-Life and most of Brotherhood, most of PC&L tunes were forged and developed live, songs changing from gig to gig before they settled down in the studio to record them. We All Stand is great live but somehow got F'ed up in the studio for the lp. The Peels Session version is kewl and every live performance I have heard its a good song. this really suprised me because I heard it on PC&L first and hated the tune.

AGE OF CONSENT 10 WE ALL STAND 7 THE VILLAGE 9 586 8 YOUR SILENT FACE 10 ULTRAVIOLENCE 7 ECTASY 7 LEAVE ME ALONE 10

Age of Consent

Like this song, but I find it to be almost a B-list for me for some odd reason. I know I'll fall in love with it some day soon.. 6 out of 10

We All Stand

Shitty on the LP, too slow and morose. The live versions are more snappy. Other than that, fairly average. 6 out of 10

The Village

Brilliant sequencers and guitars, oh lord to be there back in the 80s when they played this live. The last thirty seconds are so cool, I don't want it to end. 9 out of 10

586

Even with the intro, still a powerful and classic tune. Better than Blue Monday in many respects. 9 out of 10

Your Silent Face

Majestic and dreamy. The best is when Hooky comes in, then Barney's guitar, then the synth. Wow they sure know how to build up a song. 10 out of 10

Ultraviolence

Barney's vocals need work, but the cool sounds and samples make up for it. An average track on the LP. 7 out of 10

Ecstasy

For some reason, this reminds me of a generic techno-ish sounding song from an early 80s teen movie. Wonder how it would sound "live". 5 out of 10

Leave Me Alone

Never saw what was so grand about this. Pleasant enough, but I think that Murder would have been a better ending. 5 out of 10

"Where's Murder?" indeed.

AGE OF CONSENT 10 WE ALL STAND 6 THE VILLAGE 8 586 7 (This only because os the useless long into) YOUR SILENT FACE 9 ULTRAVIOLENCE 7 ECTASY 7 LEAVE ME ALONE 9.5

One of the band's more solid albums, but a bit primitive. Still, that's part of its charm, I think. Some good rocking tunes on this one. Amongst their best. Hurt a bit by Barney's off-key singing, but whatever, it was 1983.

Age of Consent:

Classic track. One of those quintessential New Order songs. In their top 10 best. This is what New Order sounds like. Synths, guitar, rock, electronic. Eat your heart out. 10.0

We All Stand:

Long and low. Pretty boring song. The album's real weak point. Repetitive. It has a certain charm in its simplicity, but nothing great here. 5.0

The Village:

Whoops. Back to our scheduled program. Great dancy piece of pop music. Catchy drums, catchy synths. Great tune. 8.5

586:

If they'd cut the awkward and completely unnecessary intro, this would be a great track, Blue Monday's illegitimate little brother. Too much LSD went into the intro. 2 minutes later, we have a good dancy tune. Barney's high-pitched "hear you calling" always makes me laugh. 7.5

Your Silent Face:

Beautiful ode to Kraftwerk. Sequencers aplenty, very warm layers of synths. One of their best songs, even if it is a slower one. Not the danciest number, but great nonetheless. Features perhaps the greatest single lyric of any NO song, and I think we all know what that is. 9.0

Ultraviolence:

More Blue Monday revisited. Pretty decent track. The logical twin of 586. Lacking something, but still alright. 7.0

Ecstasy:

Inexplicable vocoder vocals put this into a weird territory. Hard to say if this is an instrumental or not. Related to The Village in sound, but a bit more ominous like Ultraviolence. Pretty catchy little track but a bit forgettable too. 7.0

Leave Me Alone:

One of the most melancholy songs of the band's career. Amongst the best guitar-driven tracks they have done. This is another classic, and a great way to end the album on a down note. Odd as they are, I really love the lyrics (if only Barney would sing them in key). The ending is magical as everyone drops out and it ends on a real note of finality. Love it. 9.5

Like Low Life, all of the songs on this album except for the first and last tracks seem to keep a consistent mood throughout--but especially on this album with musical elements being shared throughout most of the songs as variations of Blue Monday. Solid album altogether, helped by the Saville sleeve which is easily his finest single piece of work. This one put New Order on the map as their own entity, and deservingly so.

The best album ever made by anyone ever. Just edges out Pet Sounds.

Everything on it is amazing and there for a reason.

Age Of Consent - 10 The Village - 10 586 - 10 Your Silent Face - 10 Leave Me Alone - 10

The rest score less but you can't ask for more than 5 of the best tracks ever written on one album.

See my post on 'Brotherhood' for further details.

Age of Consent: No one else could have done this song. If they tried it would be shit. Delightful bassline and quitar/synth interplay. Everything is in it's place. A non-New Order fan just wouldn't understand but this is definitely a... 10/10

We All Stand: Were live versions really better? I think this song was succussful as far as what they wanted to achieve with it but it's not to my taste. 4/10

The Village: This is a prime example of New Order's gift of combining synths with "real" instruments to create something no one else can touch. Perhaps it's the vocals, I don't know. The song is so full of hope...until the last line. 9/10

586: Do we count the sleazy intro as part of this song? Something that struck me when I first heard this was the dub repeat of "danger, danger, danger". Honestly, wasn't that production trick overdone for years afterward? Although unfair, this sounded like a poor cousin of Blue Monday. I do like the drum break though. 7/10

Your Silent Face: Don't be fooled. This betters Kraftwerk. And this isn't even the albums best moment. 9/10

Ultraviolence: Sure, it was better live. But only sonically. This was alway just a sketch of a song. 6/10

Ecstasy: Filler. But not bad. State of the art (circa 1983) synth track. I've never tried ectasy, by the way. I've heard it makes you frisky! 5/10

Leave Me Alone: Barney's a poet and didn't know it. Everything about this song is so unique yet so natural. This was the one song on the album that no one could argue had a better live rendition. A perfect closer to a magical album. 10/10

p.s. I'm totally wasted as I post this. Believe me, this is not the norm.

Royal Festival Hall 84 - Live everytime

Age of Consent - Just now really warming up to this after several years. 9 We All Stand - Maybe because I haven't heard the live version to compare it to.. I like this quite a bit. 8 The Village - fun song:) 8 586 - I like the intro. The first time I actually decided to listen to PC&L all the way through, I remembered thinking how much this song sounded like BM. A few days later I went searching the tracks on the cd to listen to the BM-sounding song again, and kept skipping over this one. I listened to the beginning of each song on the album about 8 times before I gave up. I thought I had made up the song in my mind, until next time I listened all the way through and realized the long intro was throwing me off. 9 Your Silent Face - Beautiful (and also my ringtone right now). 10 Ultraviolence - 7 Ecstacy - 7 Leave Me Alone - NO top 5 all time. 10

Al Jarvis wrote: 10

Is CuanaD totalling these up for us again?

I am now Al (you cant keep a sad bastard down)

1= 66 AGE OF CONSENT 10 8 42 WE ALL STAND 7 4 60.5 THE VILLAGE 9 5 53.5 586 8 1= 66 YOUR SILENT FACE 10 6 48 ULTRAVIOLENCE 7 7 43 ECTASY 7 3 62 LEAVE ME ALONE 10

Thats after 7 votes.

Age of Consent - somehow muted on record, this was (and how I hate to use the past tense) an absolute beast of a bassline that was Hooky encapsulated. It raged, the front rows surged in unison, we were literally Hooked! 10/10 live, 8/10 on record.

We All Stand - quality live track, sounds as though they weren't quite sure how they wanted it to sound on record. 8/10 live, 6/10 on record.

The Village - again, much better live than on record, really don't like the sudden end that buggered up many a compilation album over the years! 8/10 live, 7/10 record.

586 - sod that lazy and unnecessary intro, once it starts properly it kicks ass. Another beast live, it shook the room. 9/10 live, 8/10 record.

Your Silent Face - took me 20 years to get this one, believe it or not. Used to skip over it on the album, beer break at gigs. Then it charmed me in Paris when it fell apart, and I was enlightened. 8/10 both live and record.

Ultraviolence - the hidden masterpiece, this was one of their finest ever live songs, a monster that those who have only heard the recorded version won't believe. If they ever resurrect an old one, it should be this. Live 11/10, record 7/10

Ecstacy - probably not much more than filler. Does that vocoder vocal really say "I've lost my way"? They had. 5/10

Leave Me Alone - the song that makes you fall in love with New Order, achingly perfect in every way. A source of considerable pride that we were able as Digital to make a half-decent attempt at paying tribute to this song. Live 10/10, record 10/10. The best there is.

Age of Consent: Gorgeous. Synths, guitars, lyrics, vox, everything about it is gorgeous. Score: 8.5

We All Stand: Often skipped. Not a fave. Just rather bland. Score: 4

The Village: Nice synth beats. Silly lyrics though, but fun little choon. Score: 5.5

5 8 6: Underrated and oft-forgotten. I don't like the slow, elongated intro on this though - much prefer the Peel Sessions version. Still, jump to 1:50 and there ya go! I agree with whomever said this is a cousin of "Blue Monday". An early prototype. Even "EGG" could be considered a cousin. I can't remember how this sounded live. Any good? Score: 7.5

Your Silent Face: Classic. I have to be in a certain mood to listen to this, though. One of their best lyrics about the "caught me at a bad time..."! Score: 8.5

Ultraviolence: Mediocre. Score: 5

Ecstasy: Mediocre, again. Score: 5

Leave Me Alone: Stellar track! Only wish it was longer! Score: 9

Forgot to post my own ratings:

AGE OF CONSENT 9.5

WE ALL STAND 8.5

THE VILLAGE 9.5

586 9

YOUR SILENT FACE 10

ULTRAVIOLENCE 8.5

ECTASY 8.5

LEAVE ME ALONE 9.5

Difficult this, as on any day, any of these songs could be worth a 10. A wonderful album which works from start to finish & fits together so well, even 20odd years later I can get lost in any song & it can bring me back to the first summer; listning over & over again instead of studying

Particularly GOOD SHIT

Here's the update:

2 101 AGE OF CONSENT 7= 68.5 WE ALL STAND 4 90.5 THE VILLAGE 5 87 586 1 102.5 YOUR SILENT FACE 6 75.5 ULTRAVIOLENCE 7= 68.5 ECTASY 3 100.5 LEAVE ME ALONE

Looks like AOC, YSF & LMA stand 'head & shoulders' above the rest.

We all stand & Ectasy fillers? best effin fillers I've ever heard

Aaaaah, summer '83 - what a year....

AGE OF CONSENT

Never was one of my favourites, though it has firmly grown in my affections since I bought the album in 1983. 7/10

WE ALL STAND

In the right mood, this works, but the time has to be right. Much better live. 6/10

THE VILLAGE

One of my top 5 New Order songs – the perfect mix of electronica/guitars/drums and machines. Quintessential NO lyrics – joyous then sad – sting in the tail. Have never heard this live…. 10/10

586

Good, song though bit derivative. Peel session more interesting – 7/10

YOUR SILENT FACE

A symphonic masterpiece – all the right ingredients – could not be perfected. 10/10

ULTRAVIOLENCE

New Order doing what they are (or were) good at – dark lyrics & music to accompany. 8/10

ECSTASY

Now I love this song – its difficult to fathom out, state of the art sounding for then, with indecipherable vocodered lyrics make this intriguing – 8/10

LEAVE ME ALONE

The perfect ending – what more can you say?

Where’s Murder?

3 108 AGE OF CONSENT 8 74.5 WE ALL STAND 4 100.5 THE VILLAGE 5 94 586 1 112.5 YOUR SILENT FACE 6 83.5 ULTRAVIOLENCE 7 76.5 ECTASY 2 110.5 LEAVE ME ALONE

Any more willing reviewers?

always late

1- 8/10 2- 7/10 3- 10/10 4- 8/10 5- 10/10 6- 8/10 7- 8/10 8- 9/10

used to be 10/10 for all of them but as one gets older and with WFTSC on the way...