New Order & Gay Community

Hi! My name is Yann and I love New Order. Even if I'm Gay, I'm not really attracted by the members of the band. However, I feel that something in their songs is very close to the gay sensibility. That's all! what do you think about?

Cue: series of ribald remarks.

I'd say that the emotive note of Barney's vocals, their readiness to embrace dance music at a time when it was only really popular in gay discos and, erm, probably Hooky's leather trousers are good starting points.

I'm sure they'll get a kick out of GIAUE and Jetstream from the latest record, particularly with Ana Matronic's involvement.

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LE GOEC Yann wrote: Even if I'm Gay, I'm not really attracted by the members of the band.

well they are all getting on a bit now aren't they...It'd be like me saying I don't really fancy Debbie Harry

A lot of their stuff has roots in 'Gay' music, but then a lot of their stuff is also very 'straight' - all of Get Ready for example. Don't think it really makes any difference either way to be honest - if you like it,you like it, regardless of what scene the music belongs in.

Waouuu!!! It's really fast comments! I don't care if they're gay or not (even if their attitude is sometimes really strange...). Anyway, they're great! Maybe Bi?

Duh -- I am gay as well and I still don't think Jetstream is any good. (Guilt, though. Mmmmmm.)

By the way, hi everyone, you forced me to come out of my lurking closet ;)

Well put it this way, they're all conventionally married. Some several times over. Not that it's an argument killer, but it certainly seems as though they're straightish.

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I read an article recently which suggested that Bernard was keen on both tomato sauce AND mustard relish - I don't know how this fits in with your plans El Gecko?

That sounds a bit saucy, H?

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Boy I really like this thread!

depthcharge wrote: Well put it this way, they're all conventionally married. Some several times over. Not that it's an argument killer, but it certainly seems as though they're straightish.

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When I saw the WIM video I had some questions about BS.

Hi, Ray! Glad you're Here!!! I know a lot of Gay people who loves New Order!

The band have gone on record saying they enjoyed the energy and atmosphere of gay disco back in the 80s. This has been an undoubted influence on their music. That doesn't make them gay though, obviously.

Like what, for example? As far as I can remember, there's nothing wrong with WIM video, P.

When I saw the WIM video I had some questions about BS.

When I saw the TBTHOG video I had some questions about Phil.

Oh wait - that was still Gillian. My bad.

Funny this thread came up today; I was just thinking about this, since every time I pull up "Krafty" in the iTunes Music Store, Apple provides a handy link to their "iTunes Essentials" collection entitled, "Gay Pride: Boys." Why? Because "Bizarre Love Triangle" is included, along with some Pet Shop Boys, Soft Cell, etc.

Obviously, BLT is essential to any collection.

Except "Gay Pride: Girls," which is all sombre, folksy weepin' and strummin'.

NObabe wrote: Like what, for example? As far as I can remember, there's nothing wrong with WIM video, P.

As I recall, there's a scene with the band and an automobile, and BS did not seem like the butchest person one might imagine.

Ah! Ah! So Funny! Of course the attitude of BS is so gay sometimes!!! The more is getting old, the more he looks gay. Maybe he found his real nature!

To clarify:

Bernard is riding in an American automobile, dressed in a '70's Elvis' suit, during the latter moments of the WIM video.

Yes, I found that too on itunes! I was really surprised and quite angry! It might be paradoxal, but I hate Gay compil!

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Well put it this way, they're all conventionally married. Some several times over. Not that it's an argument killer, but it certainly seems as though they're straightish.

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When I saw the WIM video I had some questions about BS.

The gay-est NO images I can recall were a series of off-stage photos from one of their US tours, mid-80s. Barney in particular, he sported a very Trade blonde haircut, was quite tanned and seemed to relish getting photographed shirtless.

Think they appear in one of the NO softcovers, perhaps the Mick Middles one.

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I never thought Barney was a gay. Not that I have anything against someone being a gay. My friend is a gay and he's way a better person than most of the girls I've met.

Huntsman wrote: To clarify:

Bernard is riding in an American automobile, dressed in a '70's Elvis' suit, during the latter moments of the WIM video.

In a set of sunnies I think he swiped from the set of Risky Business.

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Yes and some of us have our doubts about Boy George.

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How about Mickael Jackson?

Anyway, I'm living in Tokyo and I wanted to meet some gay japanese boys who also loves New Order... But, it's really difficult to find! I went to a special Joy Division&New Order party (which was really great experience for me!), but there was only 10 people and not gay at all!!!

What about Adam Ant??

Who cares anyway, it's the music that matters. Gay disco was where it was at. Gay bands like Motley Crue, Poisen 80s hair bands et all despite being gay put out shit music.

boy...what a bunch of silly predictable responses to this non-comment....specially from the straight participants

49 yr old gay man here....been a NewOrder-obsessive since I bought BlueMonday (when it was new) cause the store clerk recommended it. Never thought about the band being gay, but was ALWAYS appreciative of the dj's in gay clubs embracing them AND Depeche Mode, because of the intelligence of the music...actually something to sink your teeth into amongst the diva disco and piano house...that is why NO had and has a HUGE gay following.

who cares about what kind of sex these men have?

one question though.....how bout BS and Johnny?

IM KIDDING

now that we've grown up together....

For me, Crystal and krafty sounds like a song for man to man. Only 2 boys, I mean 2 gay boys, can have that kind of feeling so deeply.

Yes, and sausage meat is by far the best material for U-boats.

You wrote "sausage".

Merci! Je vous en prie!

john dougherty wrote: boy...what a bunch of silly predictable responses to this non-comment....specially from the straight participants

49 yr old gay man here....been a NewOrder-obsessive since I bought BlueMonday (when it was new) cause the store clerk recommended it. Never thought about the band being gay, but was ALWAYS appreciative of the dj's in gay clubs embracing them AND Depeche Mode, because of the intelligence of the music...actually something to sink your teeth into amongst the diva disco and piano house...that is why NO had and has a HUGE gay following.

who cares about what kind of sex these men have?

one question though.....how bout BS and Johnny?

IM KIDDING

now that we've grown up together....

Welcome aboard John. One guy that'll be particularly happy to make your acquaintance is Rocket Mick, and no, not because he's packing a rocket, but because he always cops the heat for being the elder statesman of the forum!

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The gay-est NO images I can recall were a series of off-stage photos from one of their US tours, mid-80s. Barney in particular, he sported a very Trade blonde haircut, was quite tanned and seemed to relish getting photographed shirtless.

Hookys attire in his JD days must come a close second then

LE Roberts wrote: You wrote "sausage".

Yes sir Mr. Roberts, but don't forget, 'sausage' can be constructed with soya protein.

Huntsman wrote:

LE Roberts wrote: You wrote "sausage".

Yes sir Mr. Roberts, but don't forget, 'sausage' can be constructed with soya protein.

Does it taste just like the real thing?

I read a article in some magazine a while ago when Barney was ribbing someone , Neil tennant I think, for being gay. But they do have a bit of a strange sense of humour so you never know.

Bez's book also describes Barney as always having a troupe of female groupies following him around backstage, so I'd suggest that claims he bats for both sides are probably wide of the mark.

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote:

LE Roberts wrote: You wrote "sausage".

Yes sir Mr. Roberts, but don't forget, 'sausage' can be constructed with soya protein.

Does it taste just like the real thing?

Depends who's asking, handsome.

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depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote:

LE Roberts wrote: You wrote "sausage".

Yes sir Mr. Roberts, but don't forget, 'sausage' can be constructed with soya protein.

Does it taste just like the real thing?

Depends who's asking, handsome.

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How did I know that you would be the first to respond, DC?

I'm only sorry I didn't see your post before you edited it.

Yes sir Mr. Roberts, but don't forget, 'sausage' can be constructed with soya protein.

Agreed, but applying a more "tube meat" meaning to this thread's subject matter really enhances...

Okay, I'm done.

LE Roberts wrote:

Yes sir Mr. Roberts, but don't forget, 'sausage' can be constructed with soya protein.

Agreed, but applying a more "tube meat" meaning to this thread's subject matter really enhances...

Okay, I'm done.

You're a bit slow on the draw today, LE.

Patrick wrote: How did I know that you would be the first to respond, DC?

I'm only sorry I didn't see your post before you edited it.

It was so blue it would've made Old Blue look yellow.

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It really is impossible to try to work at the same time.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: How did I know that you would be the first to respond, DC?

I'm only sorry I didn't see your post before you edited it.

It was so blue it would've made Old Blue look yellow.

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Somehow I guessed that too. I know that you can always be counted on to rise to the occasion when certain subjects come up, DC.

LE Roberts wrote: It really is impossible to try to work at the same time.

You need to get your priorities straight, LE.

Somehow I guessed that too. I know that you can always be counted on to rise to the occasion when certain subjects come up, DC.

A Limp Bizkit board this is not.

Patrick wrote: I know that you can always be counted on to rise to the occasion when certain subjects come up, DC.

I find it hard not to.

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This really is some stiff competition.

LE Roberts wrote: This really is some stiff competition.

If only DC didn't keep editing his posts to take out the better stuff, this might get really interesting.

Too bad the initiator of this particular motif has disappeared.

Patrick wrote:

LE Roberts wrote: This really is some stiff competition.

If only DC didn't keep editing his posts to take out the better stuff, this might get really interesting.

Sorry Pats, I'm finding it hard to keep up.

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I think he has a genuine concern for all the 14-year-old Killers fans lurking around.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

LE Roberts wrote: This really is some stiff competition.

If only DC didn't keep editing his posts to take out the better stuff, this might get really interesting.

Sorry Pats, I'm finding it hard to keep up.

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I find that very hard

to believe, DC.

Wood-y prefer a milder pace, perhaps?

Would that be the largest response you've ever erected Pats?

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depthcharge wrote: Would that be the largest response you've ever erected Pats?

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Isn't that getting a bit personal, DC?

The only gay connotation is/was from the fact that no matter what, the gay scene always embraces the best music before the majority of the straight scene does. Gay clubs have the best music.

I've spun for gay ppl and they love when a DJ and the music is edgy.

I believe NO was edgy when they first started with the dance tracks. Blue Monday proved that

If it wasn't for the gay scene most of the good music would never get played until it was like 2 yrs later.

eCKOh

I trust I haven't offended you, touch wood.

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Too bad the initiator of this particular motif has disappeared.

And I thought your ... um ... analyzing of Barney in WIM set the stage for some good point/counterpoint discussion.

Well, that's what you get from a "LE"... :\ohwell:

eCKOh wrote: The only gay connotation is/was from the fact that no matter what, the gay scene always embraces the best music before the majority of the straight scene does. Gay clubs have the best music.

I've spun for gay ppl and they love when a DJ and the music is edgy.

I believe NO was edgy when they first started with the dance tracks. Blue Monday proved that

If it wasn't for the gay scene most of the good music would never get played until it was like 2 yrs later.

eCKOh

I suspect you haven't read the immediately preceding posts, Tommy.

Who set this one off??

eCKOh

"with Who's Joe, a sort of postmodern rewrite of the oldie Hey Joe.

This being New Order, Joe isn't consumed with jealousy so much as suffering from anomie and rejection. But instead of letting our hero flee to Mexico, New Order chases after him: "I'll look for you, and I'll take you home," promises Sumner, lending an unexpected homoerotic twist to the tale."

Thats from the 'globe & mail' thread.

depthcharge wrote: I trust I haven't offended you, touch wood.

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I thought the phrase was "knock on wood."

eCKOh wrote: Who set this one off??

eCKOh

The man who calls himself Huntsman is responsible for this little walk in the park, late at night.

CuanaD wrote: "with Who's Joe, a sort of postmodern rewrite of the oldie Hey Joe.

This being New Order, Joe isn't consumed with jealousy so much as suffering from anomie and rejection. But instead of letting our hero flee to Mexico, New Order chases after him: "I'll look for you, and I'll take you home," promises Sumner, lending an unexpected homoerotic twist to the tale."

Thats from the 'globe & mail' thread.

Of course they haven't understood that it's really Telemachus talking to his father.

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: I trust I haven't offended you, touch wood.

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I thought the phrase was "knock on wood."

Maybe it's a local turn of phrase that hasn't been exported, I'm not sure. Maybe it's of English extract? When you wish for luck, you're traditionally meant to touch wood. ie. A tree or somesuch.

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Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: The only gay connotation is/was from the fact that no matter what, the gay scene always embraces the best music before the majority of the straight scene does. Gay clubs have the best music.

I've spun for gay ppl and they love when a DJ and the music is edgy.

I believe NO was edgy when they first started with the dance tracks. Blue Monday proved that

If it wasn't for the gay scene most of the good music would never get played until it was like 2 yrs later.

eCKOh

I suspect you haven't read the immediately preceding posts, Tommy.

No Trick I felt like being ignorant today

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: Who set this one off??

eCKOh

The man who calls himself Huntsman is responsible for this little walk in the park, late at night.

Hunt good job man

Anyway, time for me to withdraw from this thread. Bigger issues to, erm .. tackle.

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eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: The only gay connotation is/was from the fact that no matter what, the gay scene always embraces the best music before the majority of the straight scene does. Gay clubs have the best music.

I've spun for gay ppl and they love when a DJ and the music is edgy.

I believe NO was edgy when they first started with the dance tracks. Blue Monday proved that

If it wasn't for the gay scene most of the good music would never get played until it was like 2 yrs later.

eCKOh

I suspect you haven't read the immediately preceding posts, Tommy.

No Trick I felt like being ignorant today

Ordinarily it wouldn't matter all that much, but you did happen to walk into the men's room at a particularly pivotal time.

So be sure to tap it and wrap it, at your leisure of course.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: I trust I haven't offended you, touch wood.

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I thought the phrase was "knock on wood."

Maybe it's a local turn of phrase that hasn't been exported, I'm not sure. Maybe it's of English extract? When you wish for luck, you're traditionally meant to touch wood. ie. A tree or somesuch.

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I know, DC. The local variant where I grew up was "knock on wood," but "touch wood" is also used.

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: The only gay connotation is/was from the fact that no matter what, the gay scene always embraces the best music before the majority of the straight scene does. Gay clubs have the best music.

I've spun for gay ppl and they love when a DJ and the music is edgy.

I believe NO was edgy when they first started with the dance tracks. Blue Monday proved that

If it wasn't for the gay scene most of the good music would never get played until it was like 2 yrs later.

eCKOh

I suspect you haven't read the immediately preceding posts, Tommy.

No Trick I felt like being ignorant today

Ordinarily it wouldn't matter all that much, but you did happen to walk into the men's room at a particularly pivotal time.

If you're all too tense, I'll piss on Trick's shoes to lighten up the thread...hahaha

Dammit I forgot this was a gay thread...Please dont stalk me about water sports now ok

Speaking of stalking where's my NO wifey NObabe??

eCKOh

I'm disappointed no one acknowledged my NO allusion re walking in the park, late at night.

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: The only gay connotation is/was from the fact that no matter what, the gay scene always embraces the best music before the majority of the straight scene does. Gay clubs have the best music.

I've spun for gay ppl and they love when a DJ and the music is edgy.

I believe NO was edgy when they first started with the dance tracks. Blue Monday proved that

If it wasn't for the gay scene most of the good music would never get played until it was like 2 yrs later.

eCKOh

I suspect you haven't read the immediately preceding posts, Tommy.

No Trick I felt like being ignorant today

Ordinarily it wouldn't matter all that much, but you did happen to walk into the men's room at a particularly pivotal time.

If you're all too tense, I'll piss on Trick's shoes to lighten up the thread...hahaha

Dammit I forgot this was a gay thread...Please dont stalk me about water sports now ok

Speaking of stalking where's my NO wifey NObabe??

eCKOh

I believe I tired her out working on lyrics earlier.

I'm disappointed no one acknowledged my NO allusion re walking in the park, late at night.

Well, it's tough to do while down here in the gutter. Throw me a rope.

LE Roberts wrote:

I'm disappointed no one acknowledged my NO allusion re walking in the park, late at night.

Well, it's tough to do while down here in the gutter. Throw me a rope.

You don't mind if it's a little moist?

If you want a very unstereotypically 'gay' band, Greenday....

Lead singer takes a bit of both...

Patrick wrote: I'm disappointed no one acknowledged my NO allusion re walking in the park, late at night.

I acknowledged it P, a knowing nod at the screen, like you with my land of love effort in a previous thread.

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MYOB wrote: If you want a very unstereotypically 'gay' band, Greenday....

Lead singer takes a bit of both...

Anyone in here from New York City or is it just me??

How about the US??

I'm just curious

eCKOh

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: I'm disappointed no one acknowledged my NO allusion re walking in the park, late at night.

I acknowledged it P, a knowing nod at the screen, like you with my land of love effort in a previous thread.

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I'm gratified to hear that, DC.

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: The only gay connotation is/was from the fact that no matter what, the gay scene always embraces the best music before the majority of the straight scene does. Gay clubs have the best music.

I've spun for gay ppl and they love when a DJ and the music is edgy.

I believe NO was edgy when they first started with the dance tracks. Blue Monday proved that

If it wasn't for the gay scene most of the good music would never get played until it was like 2 yrs later.

eCKOh

I suspect you haven't read the immediately preceding posts, Tommy.

No Trick I felt like being ignorant today

Ordinarily it wouldn't matter all that much, but you did happen to walk into the men's room at a particularly pivotal time.

If you're all too tense, I'll piss on Trick's shoes to lighten up the thread...hahaha

Dammit I forgot this was a gay thread...Please dont stalk me about water sports now ok

Speaking of stalking where's my NO wifey NObabe??

eCKOh

I believe I tired her out working on lyrics earlier.

Really now??

Musta been some pretty hard lyrics

eCKOh

eCKOh wrote:

MYOB wrote: If you want a very unstereotypically 'gay' band, Greenday....

Lead singer takes a bit of both...

Anyone in here from New York City or is it just me??

How about the US??

I'm just curious

eCKOh

I believe LE and I are both from the US.

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: The only gay connotation is/was from the fact that no matter what, the gay scene always embraces the best music before the majority of the straight scene does. Gay clubs have the best music.

I've spun for gay ppl and they love when a DJ and the music is edgy.

I believe NO was edgy when they first started with the dance tracks. Blue Monday proved that

If it wasn't for the gay scene most of the good music would never get played until it was like 2 yrs later.

eCKOh

I suspect you haven't read the immediately preceding posts, Tommy.

No Trick I felt like being ignorant today

Ordinarily it wouldn't matter all that much, but you did happen to walk into the men's room at a particularly pivotal time.

If you're all too tense, I'll piss on Trick's shoes to lighten up the thread...hahaha

Dammit I forgot this was a gay thread...Please dont stalk me about water sports now ok

Speaking of stalking where's my NO wifey NObabe??

eCKOh

I believe I tired her out working on lyrics earlier.

Really now??

Musta been some pretty hard lyrics

eCKOh

Judge for yourself, T. Take a look at the lyrics thread.

You don't mind if it's a little moist?

No. I've got gloves.

Northwest, U.S.

eCKOh wrote:

MYOB wrote: If you want a very unstereotypically 'gay' band, Greenday....

Lead singer takes a bit of both...

Anyone in here from New York City or is it just me??

How about the US??

I'm just curious

eCKOh

Yes, but its the wrong time of day for them. Hour or two, they'll be online.

MYOB wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

MYOB wrote: If you want a very unstereotypically 'gay' band, Greenday....

Lead singer takes a bit of both...

Anyone in here from New York City or is it just me??

How about the US??

I'm just curious

eCKOh

Yes, but its the wrong time of day for them. Hour or two, they'll be online.

It's 1pm!!!

I been up since 6:30

LE Roberts wrote:

You don't mind if it's a little moist?

No. I've got gloves.

Northwest, U.S.

Grab hold, then.

At least no one has tried to make a very tenuous connection between New Order as "lads band" and a sort of latent homophobia, with an attraction to New Order as a straight man's dance band being an alternative to the more poofy "synthpop" bands of the same time period.

I'd sure hate if anyone tried to make that connection, flawed as it is. :D

His (Late) Holiness, The Pope wrote: At least no one has tried to make a very tenuous connection between New Order as "lads band" and a sort of latent homophobia, with an attraction to New Order as a straight man's dance band being an alternative to the more poofy "synthpop" bands of the same time period.

I'd sure hate if anyone tried to make that connection, flawed as it is. :D

I wouldnt even attempt it

eCKOh

Patrick wrote:

LE Roberts wrote:

You don't mind if it's a little moist?

No. I've got gloves.

Northwest, U.S.

Grab hold, then.

Pats, I'm going to have to slip through your fingers. It's late and I'm off. It's been a pleasure as usual.

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Ta ta, DC.

Perhaps even a little bit more than usual.

I just cannot imagine Barney sucking a cock or smuggling a bone. Then again I can see Hooky getting a bj from a guy while drinking a beer and laughing about it.

Damn, 4 pages long.

I think it depends on what sort of music you make. Of course it would be weird to see New Order or The Cure behaving like Village People, but that was OK from a gay disco band, as it is for the Scissor Sisters... I think that if any New Order member was bi (not gay, as they certainly have women at least), he wouldn't hesitate to say it, they never gave a shit about the reaction to their words and always have been honest in interviews. Anyway they've always been friends of lefties, blacks and gays since the Joy Division days (not to mention the weekly gay night at the Hacienda, on Thursdays I think), and that should have been enough to piss on those ridiculous Nazi charges...

2 hours I'm gone and look what this thread has become. Proves my theory that every man is a potential gay though :D

NObabe wrote: 2 hours I'm gone and look what this thread has become. Proves my theory that every man is a potential gay though :D

Did you read the posts, M?

Yes, P, I read them all. All of sudden I got MARRIED????

Hiya fellas!

Just dropping by to bid thee another fond day.

Glad to see Big Nev. has returned in fine fettle.

Let me know if you propose P, I'll purchase a toaster and dispatch to WDC.

Huntsman wrote: Hiya fellas!

Just dropping by to bid thee another fond day.

Glad to see Big Nev. has returned in fine fettle.

Let me know if you propose P, I'll purchase a toaster and dispatch to WDC.

Just who was it that you were thinking I might propose to, H?

NObabe wrote: Yes, P, I read them all. All of sudden I got MARRIED????

That will teach you, won't it, M?

Teach me what, P? I'm kinda shy as you might have noticed.

NObabe wrote: Teach me what, P? I'm kinda shy as you might have noticed.

Teach you not to go away for two hours, M.;)

So sorry, P. That will never happen again. ;) Just been to the agency to sort all my documents out for getting the UK visa. I have to wait till Monday, then I'll know whether I'm going or not. :\ohwell:

Love is all that matters!

NObabe wrote: So sorry, P. That will never happen again. ;) Just been to the agency to sort all my documents out for getting the UK visa. I have to wait till Monday, then I'll know whether I'm going or not. :\ohwell:

Well, the very best of luck on that front, M! All these people there are desperately in need of your help with spelling!;)

I just cannot imagine Barney sucking a cock or smuggling a bone.

I simply can't compete with that style of prose. I'm going to agree with twist on this one.

P, you still sporting that rope? The boss was riding me but I'm back now. Talk about "casual Friday"...

Hi Babe.

Thanks for your kind words, P! ;) Hello, LE! What time is it there?

LE Roberts wrote:

I just cannot imagine Barney sucking a cock or smuggling a bone.

I simply can't compete with that style of prose. I'm going to agree with twist on this one.

P, you still sporting that rope? The boss was riding me but I'm back now. Talk about "casual Friday"...

Hi Babe.

Definitely, LE. It may even have dried out a bit by now.

However, I'm afraid DC has gone to bed. The rodeo will not be the same without him.

Hello, LE! What time is it there?

1 p.m., 49 degrees, there's a storm in the sky passing over and it looks like it's going to be strong

The rodeo will not be the same without him.

Well, wake him up before you go-go.

Spotnick wrote:

Monster wrote:

Spotnick wrote: ...but they did collaborate with a few of course, like the Pet Shop Boys.

Are the Pet Shop Boys gay??!

Tell me about it, when I saw them live in 1990, I wasn't aware of that fact, I was wearing proudly my t-shirts with roses on it at school the next day... then I read the press review of the show talking about Gay disco

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I'm not sure it's the image you want to show when you are single and looking ;)

1990 was before Neil actually came out, but I think it was very much known, like with George Micheal.

LE Roberts wrote:

The rodeo will not be the same without him.

Well, wake him up before you go-go.

You think I have his telephone number, LE? He's a very private person. We know nothing about him, apart from the fact that certain subjects seem to interest him somewhat more than others. And that he claims to live in Western Australia. He actually mentioned Perth today.

Noone is more private than you are, P! ;)

He actually mentioned Perth today.

Not familiar. Is that what Barney calls a handbag?

NObabe wrote: Noone is more private than you are, P! ;)

DC and I had a dispute today, M, about which of us was more private. We turned to H for a decision on the issue, and he declared it a tie.:(

Not familiar with Perth!?!?

LE Roberts wrote:

He actually mentioned Perth today.

Not familiar. Is that what Barney calls a handbag?

I believe it's a city in Australia.

Maps in Idaho are actually etched in large rocks. Very tough to read.

Was a bad attempt at a joke given the title of this thread and how Perth would sound like purse...

Oh nevermind...

LE Roberts wrote: Maps in Idaho are actually etched in large rocks. Very tough to read.

Was a bad attempt at a joke given the title of this thread and how Perth would sound like purse...

Oh nevermind...

Thats OK, it's been a long day. It's often hard to tell when things are jokes, especially on Friday afternoon...

Actually, now that you explain it, it IS funny, although not entirely PC

Indeed it does.

Actually, now that you explain it, it IS funny, although not entirely PC

I was laughing when I wrote it but, no - it's not all that correct. That's why I threw in Barney, given the great gay debate of the day.

But where is the man who started all this?

But where is the man who started all this?

Tokyo. Is 5 a.m. there. Has a lot of catching up to do right out of the gate I'd say.

LE Roberts wrote:

But where is the man who started all this?

Tokyo. Is 5 a.m. there. Has a lot of catching up to do right out of the gate I'd say.

Wonder how much of this he'll understand?

So LE you know everything about the time zones. I thought the difference between me and America was either 6 or 9 hours but you seem to be 8 hours behind. You learn something every day. :)

Wonder how much of this he'll understand?

Do I sense a poll question brewing??

either 6 or 9 hours

Six if you're in, say, New York and 9 if you're in Los Angeles. We're in Denver's time zone (MST). Here, I got this yesterday when I wanted to know what Belgrade was.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

You were spying on me???

The continental U.S. has 4 time zones (Eastern, Central, Mountain, and Pacific. Alaska is 1 hour earlier than the Pacific timezone, and Hawaii is two hours earlier than Alaska.

Blue is wise. They place the smart ones in the NW.

Thanks Blue. You are very kind. :)

LE Roberts wrote:

Wonder how much of this he'll understand?

Do I sense a poll question brewing??

The only poll I have ever done is now on page 14. I don't want to spoil my record.

The only poll I have ever done is now on page 14. I don't want to spoil my record.

Like Jerry Seinfeld's 9-year run without throwing up. Streaks are important. I respect you for that.

Was it in California at a gig in 89 when Barney said "We got any fags in the audience tonight? But we're New Order and we don't care." He was probably pissed, mind!

LE Roberts wrote:

The only poll I have ever done is now on page 14. I don't want to spoil my record.

Like Jerry Seinfeld's 9-year run without throwing up. Streaks are important. I respect you for that.

I suspect I will probably be too afraid of failure to ever do a poll again.

Seeing as I've never done one, I think I'd go the safe route to get my feet wet.

Which is better:

A) Turn B) Rock the Shack

If that went well, I might be hooked on the junk.

LE Roberts wrote: Seeing as I've never done one, I think I'd go the safe route to get my feet wet.

Which is better:

A) Turn B) Rock the Shack

If that went well, I might be hooked on the junk.

Yes, but what you want is LENGTH. Or perhaps thickness.

Ah, look: We've come full circle. Perhaps DC will be waking soon. Little early for a weekend, I imagine.

LE Roberts wrote: Ah, look: We've come full circle. Perhaps DC will be waking soon. Little early for a weekend, I imagine.

Yes, 5 am in Perth. I doubt he'll be up soon.

Patrick wrote: Yes, but what you want is LENGTH. Or perhaps thickness.

Cheeky!

NObabe wrote:

Patrick wrote: Yes, but what you want is LENGTH. Or perhaps thickness.

Cheeky!

It's been that kind of day, M.;)

And 3:30 here which is quitting time on a Friday.

Have a good weekend and be prepared on Monday to join the class in a discussion on why Axl Rose wanted his flamboyant cover version of YSF included on the GnR greatest hits ... er ... package.

/s/ Loren R

LE Roberts wrote: And 3:30 here which is quitting time on a Friday.

Have a good weekend and be prepared on Monday to join the class in a discussion on why Axl Rose wanted his flamboyant cover version of YSF included on the GnR greatest hits ... er ... package.

/s/ Loren R

See ya then, Loren, although I'm not so sure about the weekend assignment.

Hi! This is Yann, who started that forum. Thank you for enjoying talking about my suggestion. Sorry, it was getting too late in Tokyo and I couldn't continue reading your comments. No matter they are gay or not, they're just genius! The problem is why are you so much concerned about that question?!!! Want to try?... Anyway, I didn't hear nothing about if NO have some plan to come in Tokyo for live or not...???

LE GOEC Yann wrote: Hi! This is Yann, who started that forum. Thank you for enjoying talking about my suggestion. Sorry, it was getting too late in Tokyo and I couldn't continue reading your comments. No matter they are gay or not, they're just genius! The problem is why are you so much concerned about that question?!!! Want to try?... Anyway, I didn't hear nothing about if NO have some plan to come in Tokyo for live or not...???

Hi Yann, you must be a little disappointed to return and find 1.5 pages of intelligent discourse and 5.5 pages of wiener gags but that's par for the course here sometimes.

As for your suggestion that some members continued on so far it became suspect, well who knows? There appears to be a huge wad of posts by our Washington correspondent which people may or may not read something into.

:\pimp3:

NObabe wrote: Noone is more private than you are, P! ;)

As P himself might state after addressing a jury:

"I rest my case."

:\pimp3:

well as someone who frequented the hacienda back in the early to mid eighties id say that the whole factory scene not just new order was flirting with disco/gay/hiphop/electro whatever ya wanna call it. i spent many a happy night at the hac dancing to "confusion" which i still think is one of their best dance efforts to date. (hear it full belt in a club)believe me it take on a life of its own. as for the gay issue,watch the confusion video and check out barneys keks it just might make you think twice. and even if one of em was who would care really?

Who's gay?

I was only changing his diaper - Michael jackson

nuts wrote: Who's gay?

This man is Gaye...

nuts wrote: Who's gay?

Enola.

:\pimp3:

She is Gay

(and an interesting internet search)

Feeling gay:

:\pimp3:

Gay?

Or just interminably happy?

:\pimp3:

Monster wrote:

His (Late) Holiness, The Pope wrote: At least no one has tried to make a very tenuous connection between New Order as "lads band" and a sort of latent homophobia, with an attraction to New Order as a straight man's dance band being an alternative to the more poofy "synthpop" bands of the same time period.

I always enjoyed the irony of these testosteroned yobboes dancing to the homo-erotic hi-energy of tracks like "Bizarre Love Triangle".

Of course, it doesn't need mentioning 'cos we all know it's true. All that sexual tension displaced onto fighting, lads just wanting to get their hands on each other......;)

depthcharge wrote:

NObabe wrote: Noone is more private than you are, P! ;)

As P himself might state after addressing a jury:

"I rest my case."

:\pimp3:

I trust you had a good time catching up on everything that happened while you were gone, DC.

OK, maybe New order caters to the gay crowd. But Duran Duran has more fat white chicks as fans than New Order. Does that make Nick Rhodes a fat White chick?

BIGINOIL wrote:

nuts wrote: Who's gay?

This man is Gaye...

Oh shit what have i started?

11:45 pm in Perth on a Saturday night and DC hasn't been seen here in hours. Perhaps he's walking in the park, when it gets late at night. We miss you, DC.

It's not a Yank Tank Barney's driving in the WIM vid,it's actually his red Merc convertible.

Who remembers Barneys tight little disco shorts in the video for 'confusion'?. If I was gay, id give him one.

Gary Hare wrote: Who remembers Barneys tight little disco shorts in the video for 'confusion'?. If I was gay, id give him one.

I'd forgotten about that. That was quite a sight. I wonder how long it's been since he wore those?

Gary Hare wrote: Who remembers Barneys tight little disco shorts in the video for 'confusion'?. If I was gay, id give him one.

There are several instances in which Barney does appear in white disco shorts, but he also has performed in his underwear - didn't someone once post up those pictures on here?

Anyway, I figured I'd reply to this thread eventually. I've never thought of New Order as a gay band - or even Depeche Mode as a once - but just as a band making good dance music. Now, I've never been to a gay disco, so I don't know what kind of music would be played there, but hopefully it's better than the crap getting played at a straight top-40 club.

Spotnick wrote:

Monster wrote:

Spotnick wrote: ...but they did collaborate with a few of course, like the Pet Shop Boys.

Are the Pet Shop Boys gay??!

Tell me about it, when I saw them live in 1990, I wasn't aware of that fact, I was wearing proudly my t-shirts with roses on it at school the next day... then I read the press review of the show talking about Gay disco Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I'm not sure it's the image you want to show when you are single and looking ;)

*I don't think so, Nic. Girls just love the Pet Shop Boys, (more than males), and they know that they have a varied audience. I think you have more chances of getting a bird with a PSB shirt (the girl just thinks "he looks so sensitive with that PSB roses shirt, he's just so cute, he's just so SEXY!) than wearing an AC-DC T shirt, that's macho music and the most of the girls hate it, actually metal is the true gay music (just look at those ridiculous long haired leathered fans embraced together and shacking their heads). ;)

Spotnick wrote: As for Johnny Marr, my co-webmaster here, Sébastien, was 100% sure Johnny Marr was gay, so I was sure of it too, he found out in an interview that he wasn't just a couple of years ago...

*I feel envy for Johnny Marr. In an interview he said he's always been with the same girl, called Angie, since they were 13 and that they've alwys been happy together... I know only one other person who can say such a thing. I mean I'm very happy with my girlfriend now but it's just one year and I'd have liked to spend the previous years with her just like Johnny and Angie rather than living the mess I've lived since I were 13 between years of few short good stories, some long bad stories, loneliness and many short bad stories... ;)

LE Roberts wrote: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

*It's still amazing for me to see that if you're in Hawaii it's Saturday morning, but if you go a little to the West in Christmas Islands it's already Sunday morning... I mean, if I was in Christmas Islands I could go to the Hawaii and live the same day twice, is this the secret to live forever? Would be a bit expensive though :D

I need get a life. I've been 2 years in a forum where a thread about gayish can have 175 replies in one day.

I think I'll give my date that NOOL shirt... if it was not sent to Paraguay yet!

Server Error in "/" Application wrote: I need get a life. I've been 2 years in a forum where a thread about gayish can have 175 replies in one day.

I think I'll give my date that NOOL shirt... if it was not sent to Paraguay yet!

I'm not immediately sure about the meaning of "gayish." Is that somewhat gay? Or is it the language spoken by gays?

I'M THE ONLY GAY IN NOOL!

Rocket Mick wrote: I'M THE ONLY GAY IN NOOL!

THOUGHT SO, DEAR

Sorry can't type fast ,my NAILS are drying DARLING!

Love you Mickey

Patrick wrote:

Server Error in "/" Application wrote: I need get a life. I've been 2 years in a forum where a thread about gayish can have 175 replies in one day.

I think I'll give my date that NOOL shirt... if it was not sent to Paraguay yet!

I'm not immediately sure about the meaning of "gayish." Is that somewhat gay? Or is it the language spoken by gays?

Neo-expression. To sound like foolish, bearish, MORONISH...

oldmonkey wrote: The band have gone on record saying they enjoyed the energy and atmosphere of gay disco back in the 80s. This has been an undoubted influence on their music. That doesn't make them gay though, obviously.

well who doesn't love the energy and atmosphere of a gay disco?

Is he stupid?

I'm talking about him Server Error in "/" Application Salvation Member?!!!

LE GOEC Yann wrote: I'm talking about him Server Error in "/" Application Salvation Member?!!!

I agree it was a very strange comment.

LE GOEC Yann wrote: Is he stupid?

Given his presence on this forum, I'd say it was a fair bet.

BIGINOIL wrote:

LE GOEC Yann wrote: Is he stupid?

Given his presence on this forum, I'd say it was a fair bet.

I didn't recall that you'd moved to Houston, Big.

Yes, last night. I am also an Ozzy fan now as well.

If any members of New Order were gay wouldn't the British tabloids have outed them?

It was the British tabloids that referred to Liberace as a "deadly, winking, sniggering, snuggling, chromium-plated, scent-impregnated, luminous, quivering, giggling, fruit-flavored, mincing, ice-covered heap of mother love", that is, subtly implying that he was gay. I don't recall NO ever getting the same treatment? But perhaps I missed an issue.

Maybe they deleted the "coming out of the closet" scene from 24 hour party people?

I love Bernard's look in Confusion - and I'm straight as an arrow.

I thought this thread had died its natural death. Seems it hasn't.

New Order arent't gay. I'm defo not gay. Heck I'm not even happy.

There's nothing like flogging a dead horse.

true faith, morels pink moise club mix appeared on tehe gay pride 2001 sampler called "pride of your life"

a promo only cd cat no pro-cd-100653

It shows how much attention i pay the regular forum at the moment as i havent even noticed this thread before!

hibster wrote: true faith, morels pink moise club mix appeared on tehe gay pride 2001 sampler called "pride of your life"

a promo only cd cat no pro-cd-100653

...and there was that Fire Island remix of Regret...hhhmmmmm...is this a pattern?

ericpear wrote:

hibster wrote: true faith, morels pink moise club mix appeared on tehe gay pride 2001 sampler called "pride of your life"

a promo only cd cat no pro-cd-100653

...and there was that Fire Island remix of Regret...hhhmmmmm...is this a pattern?

Perhaps outside the US the meaning of Fire Island is not understood...

Fire Island is the name of the remixers not the remixes.

It's Farley and Heller.

Speaking of New Order and anything gay, a story of mine about a boy who is sexually confused was read in my fiction class last night. There was a New Order reference on the first page and someone in my class said, "Well, it makes sense. New Order are a gay band."

you lot seem to have forgotten "the perfect kiss" which is extremely homosexual. love that tune

following the literary thread, brett easton ellis references new order a lot in "the rules of attraction". brett likes a bit of everything so there's another connection

i thought fire island was a gay resort near new york?

I've just discovered a forum here where people were dicussing WFTSC and I was just about to register but then I realized it was a gay/lesbian forum. I ain't going in there.

People restart subjects that were discussed before - coutless times. "Is Barney gay?" is one of them. According to statistics, considereing the last time it was done, in a few days we are gonna have a "New Order or Depeche Mode?" poll...

Server, what is your problem?

whatever...

Hank Wiseass© wrote: Fire Island is the name of the remixers not the remixes.

It's Farley and Heller.

Here's my fun college story. I had a gay roommate (don't ask, don't tell rules apply) and he was looking through my CDs and when he saw the Regret single he basically said, "a Fire Island mix, are they gay?".

I don't think any members of New Order are gay, but I'll throw fuel on the fire:

Yes, Farley & Heller are remixers that have gone under the name Fire Island. But is the choice of the name merely coincidental?

They choose a name (Fire Island) that has strong gay connotations, they do a remix for the Pet Shop Boys (Go West), and the song is a cover of a Village People song. Regret and Go West were both released in 1993.

While some interpret the original "Go West," as about a gay utopia, Neil Tennant stated that the PSB version “tried to bring out the elegaic quality of a utopia that couldn't be realized.” "Regret" also is elegiac. And the cover of Regret is a western theme: Two male cowboys watching a sunset while one is lighting a cigarette for the other. Are they watching the sun set on the gay utopia that cannot be realized? Is that Farley and Heller on the horses, or is it Neil and Chris? Should the cowboys have pink parasols?

How about a cowboy dressed in black leather with a black umbrella telling his nude son to bury his mother's photo in the desert sand?*

*$5.00 US to the first person who knows what movie that is the opening scene of.**

** NOT A GUARANTEE

No clue - but I'd pay $5 to see it!

ericpear wrote: Is that Farley and Heller on the horses, or is it Neil and Chris? Should the cowboys have pink parasols?

I can tell you one thing, Pete Heller is no pink parasol carrier. In London I once worked alongside a very foxy brunette who turned out to be his girl.

:\pimp3:

His (Late) Holiness, The Pope wrote: How about a cowboy dressed in black leather with a black umbrella telling his nude son to bury his mother's photo in the desert sand?*

*$5.00 US to the first person who knows what movie that is the opening scene of.**

** NOT A GUARANTEE

El Topo (The Mole). And the boy also buried his teddy bear.

new girl wrote:

His (Late) Holiness, The Pope wrote: How about a cowboy dressed in black leather with a black umbrella telling his nude son to bury his mother's photo in the desert sand?*

*$5.00 US to the first person who knows what movie that is the opening scene of.**

** NOT A GUARANTEE

El Topo (The Mole). And the boy also buried his teddy bear.

Fantastic! You are absolutely correct. Email your address and I will post you your prize.

My email can be found by clicking on my user name.

So, what did I win?

In keeping with current events, will you remove the (late) from your name when white smoke emerges from the Sistine Chapel?

Well, I'm really happy that people continue chatting about this subject. As I already said from the beginning, I'm not interested to know if NO members are gay or not (they're not very sexy recently...). I just would like to talk with gay and non-gay people who also loves New Order songs like me. Is there someone else living in Tokyo here?[mail]yannoujp@yahoo.fr[/mail]

LE GOEC Yann wrote: Well, I'm really happy that people continue chatting about this subject. As I already said from the beginning, I'm not interested to know if NO members are gay or not (they're not very sexy recently...). I just would like to talk with gay and non-gay people who also loves New Order songs like me. Is there someone else living in Tokyo here?[mail]yannoujp@yahoo.fr[/mail]

You inadvertently opened Pandora's box.

You can go to the Community link on the menu bar at the top of the web page, click on the Japanese area of the soccer ball map, and browse all the profiles of the members identifying themselves as from Japan. The city should be listed if they included it in their profile.

Good luck!

Konichiwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

Loved my 2 days in Tokyon...Roppongi was full of annying Europeans and Americans and wanna be New Yorkers.

Lataz

eCKoH

I hear ya!!

I originally thought TRUE FAITH was about "the closet," and I also always thought both 1963 and THE PERFECT KISS both had a gay connotation b/c he was singing about guys... with "GUNS"

In the former, I originally thought he had a love affair with Johnny, who happened to shoot him down on his birthday. In the latter, I thought he believed in "the land of love" with his male friend. Foolish of me, ey?

Whatever the case, they are all great songs :)

Is the vocalist of OMD gay? Yes, he is.

He wrote "Enola Gay", about a kiss that's never gonna fade away, the feeling and the way you lied, bla, bla, bla. Is that a gay boy singing a gay song? No, it's not. It's a song about a war, about a plane, about a bomb.

So, we can have straight singers playing straight songs, straight singers playing gay songs, gay singers playing straight songs and gay singers playing gay songs.

New Order kindda emulate all of them, isn't it?

Dicks and Bushes always go hand in hand.

Beatrix Kiddo wrote: I've just discovered a forum here where people were dicussing WFTSC and I was just about to register but then I realized it was a gay/lesbian forum. I ain't going in there.

But I heard you were batting for both teams.

Ironic would be a PSB site webmaster wearing a ridiculous NO shirt.

But who could've foreseen that the combination Dick + Bush could be so disastrous?

2008: "You won't have Dick Cheney to kick around anymore!"

So it won't be "Lick Dick"?

Not that there's anything wrong with that....

His (Late) Holiness, The Pope wrote: But who could've foreseen that the combination Dick + Bush could be so disastrous?

The disaster should have been obvious.

Dick + Bush = We're Fucked.

Well, I start to be shamed of the way comments are going here... Anyway the GREAT news is that New Order will be in Japan in July!!!

depthcharge wrote:

ericpear wrote: Is that Farley and Heller on the horses, or is it Neil and Chris? Should the cowboys have pink parasols?

I can tell you one thing, Pete Heller is no pink parasol carrier. In London I once worked alongside a very foxy brunette who turned out to be his girl.

:\pimp3:

Also the fact that Saville's mob stole the image form a country and western album may preclude ths possibility of it being any of them. Farley's musings on house and it's homesexual, disco routes are well documented. I'd imagine they were well aware of the connotations of the name they chose.