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"This stock's going to Pluto!"

• Bud Fox, Wall St.

WIM

It may be on my wants' list but I won't be sniping anyone this time, guaranteed!

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Muppetry.

What's that actually worth? About £30 tops...

Shish kebabs that product has conjured 11 bids!!!

Is that the NO equivalent of Hammerhead with original moccasins.

They've almost become one of the holy grails of NO collecting, strangely. But I've never seen one fetch such a princely sum.

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It makes my Mexican standoff with a pal of mine back in '88 for the bronze Ceremony 12" seem like chicken feed.

£20 to the greatest gunslinger, you 'betcha!

Whomever is jostling around $400 buckaroonies for that WIM photocopy must be smoking nettle tea bags. At this rate they could have wiped out world debt.

Although let's not forget the wad of sweets you parted with for the rare Princess Leia with Removable Sail Barge Bikini in '83, Hustler.

That could've kept youth off the streets of Marske for years.

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I'd forgotten about that.

Yes, 27 pence could have gone a good way to a new community centre.

I will buy this artical and destroy it. I disagree with this kind of thing.

depthcharge wrote: They've almost become one of the holy grails of NO collecting, strangely. But I've never seen one fetch such a princely sum.

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The holy fookin grail indeed! I've been after this for four years and was winning the auction for at least four hours! Nevermind,everything comes to he who waits!

You must be nuts.

$432.89 ?????????????

and you get four version of one of the worst songs NO ever produced???

There's too much money floating around in this world, or at least it is distributed very unfair.

aren't all of those versions of WIM available on the 12"? that's a ridiculous sum of money for a bland looking CD.

Some people just want the music, others want that hard to find item. If you have been looking for something for a very long time and you have the chance to buy it, you sometimes have to pay a higher price than you wanted to. Obviously there are a lot of people who want this.

And the CD clearly says "Not For Sale"

New Order better get their lawyers on this one, or at least get part of the profit (perhaps its the band hawking their surplus stock in order to make up for the loss on Blue Monday?)

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I'm sure Hooky's got a suitcase full of them in his attic, as he always claims about NO rarities.

In recent years, the culture of music collection has shifted a little.

With the popularity of collecting tools like eBay, previously rare items are now available to all, regardless of location. It's pretty easy to put together a collection of NO's standard commercial back-catalog these days and at a reasonable price. So where does that leave the hardcore collector? Looking for point-of-difference items, so promos released in extremely limited quantities like this one become the true quests. Sure it doesn't have anything on it that's not available on standard releases, but it is a genuine New Order rare item that distinguishes your collection from the next shmo with all the back catalog and a bunch of rarities. It's collectors' cache is enhanced also through its unique (albeit mundane) insert art.

On top of all this you have eBay operating in its capacity as an inflationary agent. Because the whole world can theoretically bid on these rare items, the prices go up. Why would some dude stick it out for sale in his market stall in Chorley for a bunch of locals to poke about with when he can make twenty times that amount on the Net?

I'm not justifying the bottom line here but you can see how it's not always about tracklistings anymore.

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Spotnick wrote: Sorry to probably look stupid, but what's so special about this item ?!?!?!

It's the only UK CD that has the Carabinieri and Subbuteo Dub mixes on it. It's also pretty rare. I've never actually seen a figure of how many, but it wasn't a lot. If I remember right, NME had a competition to win it in some sort of presentation bag with the 12", sticker, cap and god knows what else.

nuts wrote: Nevermind,everything comes to he who waits!

So true.

Spotnick wrote: Sorry to probably look stupid, but what's so special about this item ?!?!?!

(Obvious joke in reference to a picture posted in another thread could've been inserted here... :D )

I haven't really checked the chronological order of things, but isn't the WiM CD5 promo (one of) the first CD promos from Factory? Technique was promoed (nice word) in Canada, but that doesn't count.

And it's also pretty limited.

/TLV

It must be close to the only Factory CD promo.

There were promo CDs from other countries issued around this time (US True Faith, BM88, etc) but not from Factory UK.

Even some of the early London promo CDs are now fetching some decent coin.

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Insightful analysis DC. The wonders of the marketplace at work. I can understand the desire the want an item that is unique - it's the price coupled with the substance (musically and artistically) that amazes me. You can probably get the entire New Order back catalog for near what's being paid for a 4-song CD.

Spotnick wrote:

I've seen Other Two Promo CDs...

I should clarify Nic, I was just referring to New Order.

Having said that I don't know that there was much in the way of Factory promo CDs for NO-related releases like Revenge or Electronic either.

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Does Palatine Lane count as a promo, or is it more a "sampler"?

Just imagine what a NO Factory promo of something good would actually go for. I'll just keep my cd of FWIM.

Neil Donkin wrote: Some people just want the music, others want that hard to find item. If you have been looking for something for a very long time and you have the chance to buy it, you sometimes have to pay a higher price than you wanted to. Obviously there are a lot of people who want this.

Very true! Did you snatch this one from me too neil?

TLV wrote:

nuts wrote: Nevermind,everything comes to he who waits!

So true.

Spotnick wrote: Sorry to probably look stupid, but what's so special about this item ?!?!?!

(Obvious joke in reference to a picture posted in another thread could've been inserted here... :D )

I haven't really checked the chronological order of things, but isn't the WiM CD5 promo (one of) the first CD promos from Factory? Technique was promoed (nice word) in Canada, but that doesn't count.

And it's also pretty limited.

/TLV

To be quite honest its rarer than rocking horse shit, as i said i've been after this for many years so hence would probably pay the asking price . The last few times it has been listed on ebay it has fetched well over £200,but i suppose you CAN pay too much for some things,but the completist in me says that i want it and would have probably bid a bit more if i was not at work.

As far as it goes for the "first " factory promo i think that the only reason they released it was because of the mca connection. As for the doubting thomas's who bang on and say its only worth £30 or so on then by all means sell me your copy,i'd be more than happy to pay £30 for it!

regards

nuts wrote: As for the doubting thomas's who bang on and say its only worth £30 or so ...

Think it was less of a doubting Thomas, more of a demurring Clive.

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nuts wrote: To be quite honest its rarer than rocking horse shit, as i said i've been after this for many years so hence would probably pay the asking price . The last few times it has been listed on ebay it has fetched well over £200,but i suppose you CAN pay too much for some things,but the completist in me says that i want it and would have probably bid a bit more if i was not at work.

Is your collection catalogued somewhere nutbag? Online? I'd like to check out your size.

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I have the excrement of a Rocking Horse on permanent sale at my allotment.

It usually fetches about 50 pence a bag.

Speaking of lunch, where's Patsy today?

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He's working on his tap dance routine.

depthcharge wrote: Speaking of lunch, where's Patsy today?

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Observing from afar, DC.

It's good to know you're thinking of me.

My lunch or yours?

Huntsman wrote: He's working on his tap dance routine.

You think it needs work, H?

Huntsman wrote: He's working on his tap dance routine.

Does the water gush out when he jumps onto the taps?

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depthcharge wrote:

Huntsman wrote: He's working on his tap dance routine.

Does the water gush out when he jumps onto the taps?

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From what I've heard the only water splash routine is when P launches from a ramp to clear a thousand dancing girls. The crowd go wild, throwing their stetsons onto the stage in merriment.

Sometimes Huckler, it's hard to reconcile the conservative and polite Pats from this forum with all your wild accounts of his true life. But the facts speak for themselves I guess.

It's something like a 70's Neil Diamond jumpsuit look he favours?

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depthcharge wrote: Sometimes Huckler, it's hard to reconcile the conservative and polite Pats from this forum with all your wild accounts of his true life. But the facts speak for themselves I guess.

It's something like a 70's Neil Diamond jumpsuit look he favours?

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I too am eagerly waiting to find out, DC.

depthcharge wrote: Sometimes Huckler, it's hard to reconcile the conservative and polite Pats from this forum with all your wild accounts of his true life. But the facts speak for themselves I guess.

It's something like a 70's Neil Diamond jumpsuit look he favours?

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That was last year's.

I can't confirm this, hearing it again through the grape juice, but he was pictured wandering bemused in Malibu dressed as a pineapple.

Sometimes I think H knows things about me that I don't know myself.

Pineapple? Well he'd be perfect for a Revenge karaoke number at the bar later. Perhaps after a few Flaming Lamborghinis.

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depthcharge wrote: Pineapple? Well he'd be perfect for a Revenge karaoke number at the bar later. Perhaps after a few Flaming Lamborghinis.

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Is that a type of drink, DC?

He hasn't seen my wagon has he?

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Pineapple? Well he'd be perfect for a Revenge karaoke number at the bar later. Perhaps after a few Flaming Lamborghinis.

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Is that a type of drink, DC?

It's a fruit I believe. Sort of rough on the top with spiky leaves. Revenge actually had a single called Pineapple Face, interestingly.

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I think I might have bought a Revenge CD. I might have listened to it once. I believe I threw it away.

And also, Surf Nazi.

They were a great band.

Patrick wrote: I think I might have bought a Revenge CD. I might have listened to it once. I believe I threw it away.

Think I must be the last cat on earth who thought they were OK.

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depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: I think I might have bought a Revenge CD. I might have listened to it once. I believe I threw it away.

Think I must be the last cat on earth who thought they were OK.

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Yes, the other one was destroyed in '86.

Poor bastard lost the use of its hind legs.

Huntsman wrote: He hasn't seen my wagon has he?

I was under the impression that you were more of a pedal-pusher than a car driver H? How do you suppose Pats gets to work?

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I do motor around hill and dale with my pedal iron, of course. Although some annoying twizzle stick appropriated my bicycle pump recently - it was the envy of the town.

I was thinking P went to work in a Roller, Chauffeur driven.

The studio doesn't permit bus usage.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: I think I might have bought a Revenge CD. I might have listened to it once. I believe I threw it away.

Think I must be the last cat on earth who thought they were OK.

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That was a few years ago. I might perhaps feel differently today.

depthcharge wrote:

Huntsman wrote: He hasn't seen my wagon has he?

I was under the impression that you were more of a pedal-pusher than a car driver H? How do you suppose Pats gets to work?

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I drive myself to work, DC. I used to walk to work, but I was younger then.

Studio huh? I inch closer to the pot of gold each day.

Is this the sort of hi-tech tourer one would hire in Marske?

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depthcharge wrote: Studio huh? I inch closer to the pot of gold each day.

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I thought you had concluded you were already there, DC.

Play their first album P and you might need to boil your bed linen.

'The Trouble with Women', re-mix (on FAC 143c) was their pinnacle, surely.

Huntsman wrote: Play their first album P and you might need to boil your bed linen.

'The Trouble with Women', re-mix (on FAC 143c) was their pinnacle, surely.

I wasn't seriously suggesting that I was planning to reexamine the question, H.

Although your comment makes me think perhaps I should.

depthcharge wrote: Studio huh? I inch closer to the pot of gold each day.

Is this the sort of hi-tech tourer one would hire in Marske?

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This is going to sound quite bizarre, but given Marske is about 1 mile square, with, say, 5 roads, we do have '1' person who actually drives around in the self same vehicle.

I overtake it on my pump-less bike.

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Studio huh? I inch closer to the pot of gold each day.

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I thought you had concluded you were already there, DC.

Far from it, although the profile is now coming together nicely. I just need to keep following Hustler around the forums with a bucket and collecting his swill.

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depthcharge wrote: the conservative and polite Pats from this forum

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By the way, DC, I neglected to thank you for being so kind. Thank you.

The Man Up North wrote: Who gives a damn if there are only three of them in the whole world!!!

535 canadian dollars for those stupid remixes is wrong and ridiculous!!! These people do not know how to use their money properly, do they??? What a bunch of wankers! NOBODY IN THE WORLD KNOWS ABOUT THE FACT IT'S A FACTORY PROMO AND NOBODY CARES!!!

People are starving all over the world... why not make a donation of half the amount you paid for that stupid item... wouldn't you feel better ?

Rant over.

(can't stand stupid collectors)

Some people are not buying an item for the tracks, the are buying the item for the item itself. Heck, one could download the tracks for free if it was just the tracks...

Why do it? Some people would pay millions to get an old painting from some dead guy who was good at putting oil-paint onto a canvas when they could get a replica for close to nothing.

Next time, instead of spending all the money at the bar, donate half of it to starving people. And I know for sure that you'll feel better the next morning... :)

(can't stand ignorant people)

/TLV

Huntsman wrote:

This is going to sound quite bizarre, but given Marske is about 1 mile square, with, say, 5 roads, we do have '1' person who actually drives around in the self same vehicle.

I overtake it on my pump-less bike.

The bizarre thing is I'm not that surprised.

Does it have feet trap doors for extra power on the mild inclines?

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depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Studio huh? I inch closer to the pot of gold each day.

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I thought you had concluded you were already there, DC.

Far from it, although the profile is now coming together nicely. I just need to keep following Hustler around the forums with a bucket and collecting his swill.

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Keep in mind, DC, that H's clues might be leading you astray.

By the way, H, are there any developments to report with the expert listener?

Patrick wrote: Keep in mind, DC, that H's clues might be leading you astray.

Come now Pats, Hustler's hardly one to embellish or mislead anyone.

By the way, you neglected to mention what kind of car you favour for your commute?

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Actually, I did drop an unusually foul turnip regarding 'the studio', so to address the balance I'll fill my bucket with the following medium quality soil with which to spread over the field:

Pastie would be very handy if you found you had been derailed by a careless bubbly wrapper, idly hurled into the wind.

He of the pastry is 'unlikely' to ever walk further than the kettle, his shoe leather actually thicker than their purchase date: 15th August 1974. He didn't win 'The Office's Slowest Hand to Eye Movement' competition in '84 by running to fetch bagels for the team.

Incidentally, the 'C5' of Marske has been running since the original release date, and the human that pilots the vehicle has a conk to rival a fishing rod.

Patrick wrote: By the way, H, are there any developments to report with the expert listener?

I intend to pass the goods to the expert over the weekend, although I have been berated for associating that tag to the expert.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: Keep in mind, DC, that H's clues might be leading you astray.

Come now Pats, Hustler's hardly one to embellish or mislead anyone.

By the way, you neglected to mention what kind of car you favour for your commute?

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Well, DC, don't think I've been so lulled by your kind words that I'm prepared to divulge overly personal details. I don't mean to imply that your kind words were insincere. Not in the least.

It's silver in color.

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote: By the way, H, are there any developments to report with the expert listener?

I intend to pass the goods to the expert over the weekend, although I have been berated for associating that tag to the expert.

Well, H, whoever it is is almost certain to be more of an expert on The Odyssey than I am. I hope they at least enjoy listening to the album. Thank you for your efforts. I will eagerly (but patiently) await any report of the outcome.

Patrick wrote: Well, DC, don't think I've been so lulled by your kind words that I'm prepared to divulge overly personal details. It's silver in color.

I'll just read BMW 7-Series between the lines here.

Incidentally H, I don't think there's ever been a C5 driver with a conk anything less than Roman. The whole design concept was based around a holiday Sir Clive once took with Gerard Depardieu, just look at it.

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Huntsman wrote:

Pastie would be very handy if you found you had been derailed by a careless bubbly wrapper, idly hurled into the wind.

I believe you may have confused me with someone else, H.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: Well, DC, don't think I've been so lulled by your kind words that I'm prepared to divulge overly personal details. It's silver in color.

I'll just read BMW 7-Series between the lines here.

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No comment.

Interesting.

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Patrick wrote: I believe you may have confused me with someone else, H.

It's too late for smoke-screening Pats, I know the legal element to be true.

Just like you know that I don't mind some cheese on my pizza.

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depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: I believe you may have confused me with someone else, H.

It's too late for smoke-screening Pats, I know the legal element to be true.

Just like you know that I don't mind some cheese on my pizza.

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In order to avoid any possible misunderstanding, DC (and H as well), not every person who indulges in the law biz is engaged in representing individuals who have had the good fortune to slip on a negligently placed banana peel in a rich man's front hall. Not every person in the law biz would even be competent to do so.

AHA!

Law it is!

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depthcharge wrote: AHA!

Law it is!

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I don't know where you get these crazy ideas, DC. There must be something in the water down there.

depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote: I believe you may have confused me with someone else, H.

It's too late for smoke-screening Pats, I know the legal element to be true.

Just like you know that I don't mind some cheese on my pizza.

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We have got quite a profile at the moment:

A tap dancing, one-eyed freak who occasionally leaps over a thousand dolly birds in a nondescript luxury vehicle, silver in colour, with a penchant for home made soup and Greek Mythology.

And should that vehicle stutter and stall in flight, then he's covered, legally.

Huntsman wrote: And should that vehicle stutter and stall in flight, then he's covered, legally.

Or not.

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote: And should that vehicle stutter and stall in flight, then he's covered, legally.

Or not.

I meant in case you spilt mushroom soup on your dinner jacket.

$15 inc. taxes? - a fairly standard policy.

Huntsman wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Huntsman wrote: And should that vehicle stutter and stall in flight, then he's covered, legally.

Or not.

I meant in case you spilt mushroom soup on your dinner jacket.

$15 inc. taxes? - a fairly standard policy.

Well, H, apart from the fact that I don't care for mushroom soup and don't wear a dinner jacket, you're quite right.

I told you so.

depthcharge wrote:

nuts wrote: To be quite honest its rarer than rocking horse shit, as i said i've been after this for many years so hence would probably pay the asking price . The last few times it has been listed on ebay it has fetched well over £200,but i suppose you CAN pay too much for some things,but the completist in me says that i want it and would have probably bid a bit more if i was not at work.

Is your collection catalogued somewhere nutbag? Online? I'd like to check out your size.

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It was in the whats in your jd/no collection thread. I dont actually have it catalogued online,i have a copy on my comp if you wanna see how an overweight illeterate be-spectacled chain smoking lager loving british new orda obsessive spends his spare time trying (albeit unsuccesssssfully) to complete his new order collection TALK ABOUT FOOKIN NUTS!

Don't fret too much Man of Nuts, you're amongst brethren here. Although I tend to describe myself as devilishly handsome.

I'll see if I can't dig up that old chestnut of a thread and have a squiz.

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Patrick wrote:

Well, H, apart from the fact that I don't care for mushroom soup and don't wear a dinner jacket, you're quite right.

You've undersold him H, it's tuxedos and truffle consomme all the way for this panther.

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depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

Well, H, apart from the fact that I don't care for mushroom soup and don't wear a dinner jacket, you're quite right.

You've undersold him H, it's tuxedos and truffle consomme all the way for this panther.

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No comment, DH.

Patrick wrote:

No comment, DH.

I admit I may have overstepped the mark in embellishing the grade of silver in P's spoon.

But to call me a d----head is, well, unexpected I must say.

Huckler encouraged me, what's he gonna cop I wonder, from this new acid-tongued Patsy.

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depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

No comment, DH.

I admit I may have overstepped the mark in embellishing the grade of silver in P's spoon.

But to call me a d----head is, well, unexpected I must say.

Huckler encouraged me, what's he gonna cop I wonder, from this new acid-tongued Patsy.

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You've misunderstood me, DC, or pretended to, perhaps. I was simply adopting the phrase you used to describe yourself in a post just above. I thought it might look unseemly if I used the full phrase.

Slipped out of that one like a true legal professional. Well done P.

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depthcharge wrote: Slipped out of that one like a true legal professional. Well done P.

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Sometimes the truth is one's best defense, DC.

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AUD$300 for a signed Low Life? Tell him he's dreaming. It's not you is it Ian?

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Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Slipped out of that one like a true legal professional. Well done P.

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Sometimes the truth is one's best defense, DC.

How much do I owe you for that one, P?

Thirty second consultation, hmmmm, is $50 OK?

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depthcharge wrote:

Patrick wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Slipped out of that one like a true legal professional. Well done P.

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Sometimes the truth is one's best defense, DC.

How much do I owe you for that one, P?

Thirty second consultation, hmmmm, is $50 OK?

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It's on the house, DC.

Am I missing something here? P is charging for WHAT?

Patrick wrote: It's on the house, DC.

Can't let you do that. I'll pick you up a pepperoni pizza next time I'm in DC. Easy on the mule.

Night!

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NObabe wrote: Am I missing something here? P is charging for WHAT?

I'm not charging for anything, M. It's all free.;)

Good night, DC. Going to bed early?

Afraid so.

Looks like you and NObabe are settling in for some free consultations of some kind, so I'll read on with interest in the morning.

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Cheeky!!

depthcharge wrote: Afraid so.

Looks like you and NObabe are settling in for some free consultations of some kind, so I'll read on with interest in the morning.

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Have a good sleep, DC.

NObabe wrote: Cheeky!!

Now that DC's gone to bed, we can get down to some real gossip, M.;)

sup everyone??

just sayin hi

eCKo

eCKOh wrote: sup everyone??

just sayin hi

eCKo

Always good to see ya, T.

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote: sup everyone??

just sayin hi

eCKo

Always good to see ya, T.

likewise Trick

e

You first! I'll follow you. ;)

NObabe wrote: You first! I'll follow you. ;)

I'm going to take a shit

You with me??

e

NObabe wrote: You first! I'll follow you. ;)

I need to organize my thoughts a bit.:)

Been there, done that, E!

eCKOh wrote:

NObabe wrote: You first! I'll follow you. ;)

I'm going to take a shit

You with me??

e

Watch your step, T. Remember what happened last time. You don't want to get the lady from Belgrade angry with you.

What exactly happend last time, P?

NObabe wrote: What exactly happend last time, P?

I'll have to consult my notes. They're here somewhere.

You have the notes about me? ;)

NObabe wrote: Been there, done that, E!

Then I'm off to bed sweety

e

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

NObabe wrote: You first! I'll follow you. ;)

I'm going to take a shit

You with me??

e

Watch your step, T. Remember what happened last time. You don't want to get the lady from Belgrade angry with you.

You right Trick...

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

NObabe wrote: You first! I'll follow you. ;)

I'm going to take a shit

You with me??

e

Watch your step, T. Remember what happened last time. You don't want to get the lady from Belgrade angry with you.

You right Trick...

I try, T.

NObabe wrote: You have the notes about me? ;)

And everyone else as well, of course.;)

Give me some details about DC then! ;)

NObabe wrote: Give me some details about DC then! ;)

Let me think about that.;)

Still thinking, P?

Yes, I'm always thinking, M.;)

You may not realize that today is April 15, M.

What about April 15, P? Is it your birthday today? :\party:

Dreaded tax-filing day in the states.

Greetings all.

Greetings, LE. Is that what you've been doing?

No, we got ours done in mid-February. How about you? Don't like to hassle with it this time of year. April is very busy. In fact, speaking of birthdays mine was on Monday.

Happy b-day then, LE! :\party: :baloon:

Congratulations on both counts, LE. As has been my practice in recent years, I got an extension. But I didn't do that until about a half hour ago, and even doing it electronically takes a little bit of time. Now I have until August.

I still have no idea what you guys are talking about.

April 15 is the deadline for filing income tax returns in the US.

Thank you both. Birthdays come quicker every year.

Best of luck with the taxes, P. Those things can be draining.

I still have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Yes, reading about P getting an extension could make the mind wonder a little.

The government here gives a person about 2 1/2 months to file (February to mid-April). A person, however, such as P, is also able to get an extension on that time if need be. I think 6 months (Oct. 15) is typically the latest, though, before fines start to be implemented.

Cheers LE! I think I have an idea what it is now.

Thanks for wishing me luck with the taxes, LE. I won't think of the subject again until about August 10.

That's a good idea.

Absolutely.:D

I was listening to track #6 last night to see if I agreed with you about the good stretch and I wasn't sure I could tell precisely what you felt was the starting point.

I sort of liked a stretch of about 30 seconds starting in the 2:30 area.

4:18 to 4:32. Not much in the span of 5 minutes, but I really like the work there.

That 0:28 stretch in 10, in my opinion, is the best piece of the entire album.

It's hard to disagree with you about that stretch on 10. Actually, inspired by our discussion on this subject yesterday, I tried to make a track by track list of good stretches. I take it you already have that in your head?

A few. I like the stretch you pointed out in 3, and there are one or two in 7 that I can't think of right now. Ironically, most, if not all, are instrumental. Then again, the 4:33 "stretch" of 10 easily qualifies. Wish it was 5:33, though.

The instrumental stretches do generally seem to be the high points, well into the track. Like, ok, now it's time to let PH do his magic thing again.

I threw on pineapple face last night for fun

ooooooooooooo

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You may or may not have noticed, T, that I commented earlier to DC that the only Revenge cd I ever owned I threw away...

Like, ok, now it's time to let PH do his magic thing again.

That's exactly how I see it.

Well, time to run (literally). I'll dial in this weekend and see if you're around.

Happy weekend, P.

Patrick wrote: You may or may not have noticed, T, that I commented earlier to DC that the only Revenge cd I ever owned I threw away...

I kept it as a coaster

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LE Roberts wrote:

Like, ok, now it's time to let PH do his magic thing again.

That's exactly how I see it.

Well, time to run (literally). I'll dial in this weekend and see if you're around.

Happy weekend, P.

Same to you, LE.

I'm not sure if I'll be here this weekend. See you Monday in any event.

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote: You may or may not have noticed, T, that I commented earlier to DC that the only Revenge cd I ever owned I threw away...

I kept it as a coaster

e

Why didn't I think of that?

Patrick wrote:

eCKOh wrote:

Patrick wrote: You may or may not have noticed, T, that I commented earlier to DC that the only Revenge cd I ever owned I threw away...

I kept it as a coaster

e

Why didn't I think of that?

I throw them at ppl when they ask for shit records and when i run out of vinyl to do it with

Come on, it ain't THAT bad!

It's very serious

lol

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Since I no longer have it, I'm not in a position to test that claim, M.;)

Trick

I'll send you a copy

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Thanks very much for the offer, T. Do you think it would improve my life?

depthcharge wrote:

Ian Pillar wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61&item=6524025966&rd=1

AUD$300 for a signed Low Life? Tell him he's dreaming. It's not you is it Ian?

I remember when the guidelines for signed items was that autographs raised the price 15-25USD per autograph. (And no, I didn't walk to school barefoot in 2 meters of snow and the wind blowing in my face... :) )

BTW: Can't people stop hijacking threads and move (seemingly) pointless chit-chat to the off topic forum? Please.

/TLV

What's the outlook like for updates to the Discography, T? Going to wait until Sirens and all it's offshoots are done and dusted?

I've got some info and scans to offer before the next update.

... And I know we're due for another round of the great BlueMonday95 vinyl debate!

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depthcharge wrote:

Ian Pillar wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61&item=6524025966&rd=1

and

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=59962&item=4719934314&rd=1

this user has some other interesting things as well

AUD$300 for a signed Low Life? Tell him he's dreaming. It's not you is it Ian?

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i dont think i could past with anything i own thats signed by the band regardles of price

What if someone offered you a hundred bucks for your Wa Wa Nee 12"

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BTW: Can't people stop hijacking threads and move (seemingly) pointless chit-chat to the off topic forum? Please.

/TLV well said t

i was of course speaking about NO not any other band as far as wa wa wee youd have t pay me to listen to it

Spotnick wrote: Yes, the thread hijacking is getting very annoying... I was about to say the same.

So, P, H, D & M... behave a little !! this thread is 90% of your own personal conversation instead of the topic itself...

Yep, I agree and I'm guilty of being drawn into it. Sorry team.

It'd be cool if this thread was left for eBay and collecting issues.

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Spotnick wrote: Yes, the thread hijacking is getting very annoying... I was about to say the same.

So, P, H, D & M... behave a little !! this thread is 90% of your own personal conversation instead of the topic itself...

I agree - very annoying

Spotnick wrote: Yes, the thread hijacking is getting very annoying... I was about to say the same.

So, P, H, D & M... behave a little !! this thread is 90% of your own personal conversation instead of the topic itself...

You can't fight the power!

Chris Nash wrote: Back to the topic - I've got Factory promos of WIFM, True Faith (7" & 12") and video promo. Never thought they were particularly rare... Loads of London and Qwest promos too (and I KNOW they're not rare *lol*)

It's only the CD promo of WIM that's the cash cow.

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Come on back to my thread folks, it's getting interesting again.

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The Man Up North wrote:

TLV wrote:

The Man Up North wrote: Who gives a damn if there are only three of them in the whole world!!!

535 canadian dollars for those stupid remixes is wrong and ridiculous!!! These people do not know how to use their money properly, do they??? What a bunch of wankers! NOBODY IN THE WORLD KNOWS ABOUT THE FACT IT'S A FACTORY PROMO AND NOBODY CARES!!!

People are starving all over the world... why not make a donation of half the amount you paid for that stupid item... wouldn't you feel better ?

Rant over.

(can't stand stupid collectors)

Some people are not buying an item for the tracks, the are buying the item for the item itself. Heck, one could download the tracks for free if it was just the tracks...

Why do it? Some people would pay millions to get an old painting from some dead guy who was good at putting oil-paint onto a canvas when they could get a replica for close to nothing.

Next time, instead of spending all the money at the bar, donate half of it to starving people. And I know for sure that you'll feel better the next morning... :)

(can't stand ignorant people)

/TLV

Well maybe you are very ignorant for saying something like this. A damn record is an object without personality -- it is not UNIQUE -- even 99% of the rarest records have hundreds of copies out there that are all very identical to each other. Also, they are all made of plastic and cardboard. HOW CAN YOU COMPARE THIS TO A UNIQUE PAINTING ?

Usually, collectors will feel good about themselves when they get a rare record because it makes them feel "special". So maybe you should do some introspection, TLV...

I"m gonna start selling my mixes for 1000 USD a piece...

I'm only gonna make 10 copies with signatures

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The Man Up North wrote: Well maybe you are very ignorant for saying something like this. A damn record is an object without personality -- it is not UNIQUE -- even 99% of the rarest records have hundreds of copies out there that are all very identical to each other. Also, they are all made of plastic and cardboard. HOW CAN YOU COMPARE THIS TO A UNIQUE PAINTING ?

Usually, collectors will feel good about themselves when they get a rare record because it makes them feel "special". So maybe you should do some introspection, TLV...

I am not ignorant for saying that. In fact, I am very tolerant to other people's opinions, and I want to ensure that people respect other people's choices and do not take a piss on them. But obviously, you will never change your opinion, and neither will I (I will always be tolerant). Besides, this has been beaten to death in other threads and on the Ceremony list.

We all want to feel special, and we are all made of carbohydrates.

/TLV

depthcharge wrote: What's the outlook like for updates to the Discography, T? Going to wait until Sirens and all it's offshoots are done and dusted?

I've got some info and scans to offer before the next update.

... And I know we're due for another round of the great BlueMonday95 vinyl debate!

Send me the stuff. I have an update in the pipes. With loads of updates and scans on the older stuff already updated on my harddisk, but I haven't had time to really gather the info on the latest releases. I could need some help there...

You can never go wrong discussing vinyl releases for BM. ;)

/TLV

Cool, I'll be in touch.

Should be able to assist you with the recent variations of releases.

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Which reminds me, I'm fairly positive that the Greek CDR of Jetstream that appeared on ebay regularly, is in fact a bootleg, as it listed 3 new DMC remixes as well as the 7 listed on the other CDR also listed on ebay!!

Oh, and initial copies of the German edition of WFTSC seem to be bundled with the two-track 'Krafty' single featuring the edit and album versions.

Speaking of DMC mixes, there's a WFTSC megamix on this one - haven't bought it yet to fully check it out...

And there's another one here, but it seems to be just the album version of 'Krafty' (misspelt as 'Crafty' )!

I saw that Greek Jetstream promo too Nick and thought the same thing. Greek promo? I don't understand how one could even exist when the UK one has only just surfaced.

Not to mention why there would be DMC remixes on an official Warner promo. Still, I'm sure someone paid silly money for it.

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TLV wrote:

BTW: Can't people stop hijacking threads and move (seemingly) pointless chit-chat to the off topic forum? Please.

/TLV

Yes, please, there's important work to be done here. We must decide which track of Brotherhood to vote off today.

The Man Up North wrote: For the common people, paying a thousand bucks for a copy of a record that has nothing special is wrong and ridiculous. That's what I meant with my message. There could be so better things to do with that money than, for instance, buying a promo of 60 Miles an Hour!

I am not against the idea of collecting records. I am against the idea of paying huge amounts of money for them if they are not unique, unless you are very rich, and then again, that brings another debate.

Acting otherwise is, in my book, acting in a very adolescent way, if not childish. Many adults are like that, I'll acklowledge that. I've been like that at some point, too! But I can't say I'm proud of that.

Good luck fighting stupidity... :)

Yes, $400+ is a shitload of money for a CD. Yes, it is (apparently) a relatively very rare item. And no, I wouldn't pay nearly as much for that item. But who are we to decide what it is worth?

My point was that the monetary value of an item is as much as someone is willing to pay for it (not as much as someone is willing to sell it for). eBay happen to be, IMHO, a close to ideal implementation of the economic theory of Supply & Demand.

Look at the bid history... 6 people willing to pay over $100, 3 people over $300, and 2 people over $400. If the item showed up every month the prices wouldn't end up at $300+. What better way than eBay to establish the monetary value? Even if the people bidding are stupid... ;)

/TLV

TLV wrote: eBay happen to be, IMHO, a close to ideal implementation of the economic theory of Supply & Demand. /TLV

A salient point.

There are so many comments these days pouring scorn on prices paid on eBay, but why? Surely these are the true global market values. Because eBay removes the previous barriers of access to items for sale, it opens up the market to everyone. It's not much use citing old prices that buyers used to pay pre-Internet, because that was a restricted market value. Now that you can sell to the world you'll get the true international market value.

The downside is that eBay has probably had an inflationary effect on some prices for collectors in some parts of the world, but the upside is that people like myself now have access to items that were previously impossible to source in their part of the world.

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What something is actually worth and what someone is willing to pay are two entirely different things in my book.

However this makes me a Doubting Thomas. Apparently.

Wanna open a Marx reading-club?

RIAD, I think it'd better be of the Groucho rather than Karl variety, knowing these boards.

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Old Blue wrote: What something is actually worth and what someone is willing to pay are two entirely different things in my book.

Surely if you take an item like the True Faith CDV and get an average of what it sells for on eBay over say a year, then you'd have as good a market value as you could get?

Or are you referring to a materials value, sentimental value or something more abstract, OB?

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You can't take what something sells for on Ebay as "market value". As you see countless times on countless items, the 'must have' factor takes over and there are those that will pay whatever it takes to win the item.

If a specialist dealer offered a WIM promo for £200, I doubt he'd sell it.

Au contraire, the prices posted by the likes of eil.com are outrageous IMHO. Mostly they seem to be in excess of what you'd pay on eBay.

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Old Blue wrote: What something is actually worth and what someone is willing to pay are two entirely different things in my book.

However this makes me a Doubting Thomas. Apparently.

Somone like me always pay over the odds for rare stuff on ebay,like someone said further up the page ebay has opened many doors. For the last 4 years i have tried every site all over the world in my pursuit of said item. Thinking about it tho,for the money that i would have paid for the wim pro the money could have got me a copy of fac 2, still hessian and maybe an ideal for living thrown in for good measure. suppose that puts it into perspective.

nuts wrote:

Old Blue wrote: What something is actually worth and what someone is willing to pay are two entirely different things in my book.

However this makes me a Doubting Thomas. Apparently.

Somone like me always pay over the odds for rare stuff on ebay,like someone said further up the page ebay has opened many doors. For the last 4 years i have tried every site all over the world in my pursuit of said item. Thinking about it tho,for the money that i would have paid for the wim pro the money could have got me a copy of fac 2, still hessian and maybe an ideal for living thrown in for good measure. suppose that puts it into perspective.

Suddenly this has turned into Microeconomics Online. Discussion of market valuation and opportunity costs abound.

In a marketplace like e-bay, what someone is willing to pay and what something is worth are identical. All value is subjectively determined by the buyer and seller in these circumstances and you cannot stand at some theoretical objective point and say the item isn't worth what someone is willing to be paid. But remember that the market does not discriminate between intelligent and unintelligent subjective valuations, it simply provides the mechanism for establishing the price that will facilitate mutually beneficial exchange between buyer and seller. Three cheers for the Austrians! [the Austrian School of Economics,, that is.]

Also, we should all keep in mind, what one profound philospher said: "So don't tell me about politics Or all the problems of our economics When you can't look after what you can't own You scream and shout all day long"

Although that same esteemed philosopher/economist spent the following years stewing over nebulus concepts like The Shelf-life and Price of Love; The Potential Value of Love in Relation to Honey; and Whether Real Love Can Be Sold for Gold.

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I don't know if Bernard got a degree from the London School. But he knows that you do pay a price for the use of love.

Here's today's bargain:

? Box ?

The one and the same I purchased on eBay for around US$25 about a fortnight ago.

Either I've closed the deal of the year or this guy's tucked a complimentary copy of the WIM promo CD in the box!

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depthcharge wrote: Here's today's bargain:

? Box ?

The one and the same I purchased on eBay for around US$25 about a fortnight ago.

Either I've closed the deal of the year or this guy's tucked a complimentary copy of the WIM promo CD in the box!

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It's the one with the LoveVigilantes-HiddenTrack!

depthcharge wrote: Here's today's bargain:

? Box ?

The one and the same I purchased on eBay for around US$25 about a fortnight ago.

Either I've closed the deal of the year or this guy's tucked a complimentary copy of the WIM promo CD in the box!

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I think you got a bargain at $25!

Dunno whether it's worth 150 quid, though?

WIM Remix CD is back on eBay.

Perhaps we'll get a more accurate idea of its true value once this auction finishes.

More WIM

Go nuts, erm, Nuts!

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How's things, DC?

Excellent Pats, a public holiday here today commemorating many deaths attempting to take a beach in Turkey during WWI. Hope you've been well. You've caught me en route to logging off however - it's devilishly late again. Look forward to reading your comments regarding the World in Motion promo CD.

And bananas.

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You will have to let me gather my thoughts on the WIM promo, DC. And you know as well as I do that any discussion of bananas might be viewed by some as off-topic.