The future of NOOL

it's not just about Beatrix and it's not about just talking/chatting to her/any girl. it's the one-liners riddled with gradeschool sexual innuendo's and thinly-veiled sexual come-on's. if it were strictly chatting, like you would with a guy, it wouldn't bother me but when i see the same sexually charged messages following female NOOLers around, it disturbs me.

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: sorry Beatrix, but i think i've seen this with many women before you came here. this isn't about you or any other girl that posts here. i was pointing out a painful cycle that continues to repeat itself everytime another girl decides to post here. ever notice how the girls don't stick around for long? take a break from your busy posting schedule to go back through the archives to see for yourself.

So anyone who speaks to Beatrix on here is doing so because she's a girl?

If it is, I have bad news: she is Mike. Just like that in that movie, "Victor, Victoria"

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: sorry Beatrix, but i think i've seen this with many women before you came here. this isn't about you or any other girl that posts here. i was pointing out a painful cycle that continues to repeat itself everytime another girl decides to post here. ever notice how the girls don't stick around for long? take a break from your busy posting schedule to go back through the archives to see for yourself.

So anyone who speaks to Beatrix on here is doing so because she's a girl?

Some of us like her for her many other good qualities.

Yes, Big, you all must be pretty miserable to talk to such stupid girls who occasionally appear here. Who the hell are New Order anyway? It's people like BLT make me leave this place.

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: sorry Beatrix, but i think i've seen this with many women before you came here. this isn't about you or any other girl that posts here. i was pointing out a painful cycle that continues to repeat itself everytime another girl decides to post here. ever notice how the girls don't stick around for long? take a break from your busy posting schedule to go back through the archives to see for yourself.

So anyone who speaks to Beatrix on here is doing so because she's a girl?

obviously they don't teach "Reading for Comprehension" in your neck of the woods.

Patrick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: sorry Beatrix, but i think i've seen this with many women before you came here. this isn't about you or any other girl that posts here. i was pointing out a painful cycle that continues to repeat itself everytime another girl decides to post here. ever notice how the girls don't stick around for long? take a break from your busy posting schedule to go back through the archives to see for yourself.

So anyone who speaks to Beatrix on here is doing so because she's a girl?

Some of us like her for her many other good qualities.

I've never seen you post any sexually inspired messages to any girls that post here Patrick. I wish more women would post here because it's good to get new/different perspectives on New Order. If you don't fit the profile of a guy who posts lude, inappropriate messages to female members, then i'm not speaking about you.

again, i'd like to state, in case other people who can read but not comprehend words, i'm not speaking about any one female member or any one male offender. this was a general complaint about a pattern of offensive/pathetic posts directed towards women at NOOL.

I think it's natural we don't have many women here. he band is old and a bit undergorund nowadays, the members are not exactly hot anymore...

How many men you would hope find in a Timberlake forum?

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: it's not just about Beatrix and it's not about just talking/chatting to her/any girl. it's the one-liners riddled with gradeschool sexual innuendo's and thinly-veiled sexual come-on's. if it were strictly chatting, like you would with a guy, it wouldn't bother me but when i see the same sexually charged messages following female NOOLers around, it disturbs me.

Something I am probably as guilty of forgetting as anyone else is that something that one person (or one group of people) finds funny will not seem at all funny to someone else. At best unfunny; sometimes even offensive. This point is deep at the heart of the issue being discussed here.

There is an excellent diversity of cultural backgrounds here and by no means are all of the people on the English language threads posting in their first language. Given this, and the fact that I know I’m not the only one to enjoy a drink when I’m posting at night, it's a wonder that this thing works at all.

I find a lot of the posts on here are really really funny. Other things I read here are irritating or boring, other things are informative and thought-provoking. Occasionally someone posts something that makes me angry. I am sure that everyone else feels the same, but everyone will find pleasure in different things they find here.

Ally3000 wrote: I'm not too bothered really. Some of the off topic chat can be entertaining and enforcing a "strictly New Order only" policy would probably be a bit fascist. I've gotten to the point where if I see a thread veering off topic or I read one that blatantly doesn't belong in Digital Republic to begin with (see 95% of Spike's output) I just ignore it. It's up to Spotnick & WenOrder to judge and shift threads that are seriously off-topic to Behind Closed Doors, including this one really. A bit of chatter in the replies shouldn't be a problem, it all adds to the sociability of the place IMO!

Patrick's posts can be quite entertaining, I couldn't really see the point of some of them to begin with but they've grown on me now except when he goes into one sentence "speed-convs" with Huntsman over "favourite pizza topping?" that last four pages, with depthCharge playing devil's advocate

Ally.

i'm quite happy to have both Patrick and Huntsman posting here again. some off-topic derailments spice up the occasional on-topic thread. the whole point of the BCD forum is to give those who desire, a place to talk about anything and nothing, usually at the same time.

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: sorry Beatrix, but i think i've seen this with many women before you came here. this isn't about you or any other girl that posts here. i was pointing out a painful cycle that continues to repeat itself everytime another girl decides to post here. ever notice how the girls don't stick around for long? take a break from your busy posting schedule to go back through the archives to see for yourself.

So anyone who speaks to Beatrix on here is doing so because she's a girl?

obviously they don't teach "Reading for Comprehension" in your neck of the woods.

So I ask you for clarification of the point you made, and you respond with an insult like that?

Ally3000 wrote: I'm not too bothered really. Some of the off topic chat can be entertaining and enforcing a "strictly New Order only" policy would probably be a bit fascist. I've gotten to the point where if I see a thread veering off topic or I read one that blatantly doesn't belong in Digital Republic to begin with (see 95% of Spike's output) I just ignore it. It's up to Spotnick & WenOrder to judge and shift threads that are seriously off-topic to Behind Closed Doors, including this one really. A bit of chatter in the replies shouldn't be a problem, it all adds to the sociability of the place IMO!

Patrick's posts can be quite entertaining, I couldn't really see the point of some of them to begin with but they've grown on me now except when he goes into one sentence "speed-convs" with Huntsman over "favourite pizza topping?" that last four pages, with depthCharge playing devil's advocate

Ally.

Well, thank you, Ally. I am glad you have enjoyed some of my contributions. I appreciate your passion about things.

It was actually DC and me who were talking about pizza toppings, and it was really a metaphor in any event.

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: it's not just about Beatrix and it's not about just talking/chatting to her/any girl. it's the one-liners riddled with gradeschool sexual innuendo's and thinly-veiled sexual come-on's. if it were strictly chatting, like you would with a guy, it wouldn't bother me but when i see the same sexually charged messages following female NOOLers around, it disturbs me.

Something I am probably as guilty of forgetting as anyone else is that something that one person (or one group of people) finds funny will not seem at all funny to someone else. At best unfunny; sometimes even offensive. This point is deep at the heart of the issue being discussed here.

There is an excellent diversity of cultural backgrounds here and by no means are all of the people on the English language threads posting in their first language. Given this, and the fact that I know I’m not the only one to enjoy a drink when I’m posting at night, it's a wonder that this thing works at all.

I find a lot of the posts on here are really really funny. Other things I read here are irritating or boring, other things are informative and thought-provoking. Occasionally someone posts something that makes me angry. I am sure that everyone else feels the same, but everyone will find pleasure in different things they find here.

very true B.I.O. Posts can be interpreted in many different ways. in fact, it seems most of the things i find offensive, don't seem to bother the women posters on NOOL. i don't know of any occasion when a female member has complained about sexual harrassment. it's a personal thing with me that i find extremely offensive.

Patrick wrote:

Ally3000 wrote: I'm not too bothered really. Some of the off topic chat can be entertaining and enforcing a "strictly New Order only" policy would probably be a bit fascist. I've gotten to the point where if I see a thread veering off topic or I read one that blatantly doesn't belong in Digital Republic to begin with (see 95% of Spike's output) I just ignore it. It's up to Spotnick & WenOrder to judge and shift threads that are seriously off-topic to Behind Closed Doors, including this one really. A bit of chatter in the replies shouldn't be a problem, it all adds to the sociability of the place IMO!

Patrick's posts can be quite entertaining, I couldn't really see the point of some of them to begin with but they've grown on me now except when he goes into one sentence "speed-convs" with Huntsman over "favourite pizza topping?" that last four pages, with depthCharge playing devil's advocate

Ally.

Well, thank you, Ally. I am glad you have enjoyed some of my contributions. I appreciate your passion about things.

It was actually DC and me who were talking about pizza toppings, and it was really a metaphor in any event.

A good example of one man's humour not being funny to someone else.

In P and DC's case, they were very likely the only two men in the world that were amused. Does that mean it's not funny? Or valid?

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: sorry Beatrix, but i think i've seen this with many women before you came here. this isn't about you or any other girl that posts here. i was pointing out a painful cycle that continues to repeat itself everytime another girl decides to post here. ever notice how the girls don't stick around for long? take a break from your busy posting schedule to go back through the archives to see for yourself.

So anyone who speaks to Beatrix on here is doing so because she's a girl?

obviously they don't teach "Reading for Comprehension" in your neck of the woods.

So I ask you for clarification of the point you made, and you respond with an insult like that?

what needed clarification in my post. wasn't it obvious i wasn't talking about simple chats with women? my post was quite obviously concerned with sexually motivated posts and not simple chit-chat. i thought that was very clear in my message and your statement made it obvious you either didn't read or didn't comprehend my post.

P, good to see you back, mate. If only H decided to return ... We miss you intelligent guys! DC's posts look so lonely without yours. ;)

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

very true B.I.O. Posts can be interpreted in many different ways. in fact, it seems most of the things i find offensive, don't seem to bother the women posters on NOOL. i don't know of any occasion when a female member has complained about sexual harassment. it's a personal thing with me that i find extremely offensive.

If I have ever posted anything the sounds like I'm being a "little boy chasing girls" then I assure everyone that it was intended as humour, a parody of such behaviour. I'd be very sorry if I thought that anyone was offended by anything I'd written (including yourself BLT). If we accept that light hearted banter has a place here, we need to be realistic about the prospects of being misinterpreted from time to time, and do our best to limit offence that may occur.

Beatrix Kiddo wrote: P, good to see you back, mate. If only H decided to return ... We miss you intelligent guys! DC's posts look so lonely without yours. ;)

Thank you very much, M. Perhaps if H happens to look at this thread, he may decide to return.

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: sorry Beatrix, but i think i've seen this with many women before you came here. this isn't about you or any other girl that posts here. i was pointing out a painful cycle that continues to repeat itself everytime another girl decides to post here. ever notice how the girls don't stick around for long? take a break from your busy posting schedule to go back through the archives to see for yourself.

So anyone who speaks to Beatrix on here is doing so because she's a girl?

obviously they don't teach "Reading for Comprehension" in your neck of the woods.

So I ask you for clarification of the point you made, and you respond with an insult like that?

what needed clarification in my post. wasn't it obvious i wasn't talking about simple chats with women? my post was quite obviously concerned with sexually motivated posts and not simple chit-chat. i thought that was very clear in my message and your statement made it obvious you either didn't read or didn't comprehend my post.

Possibly a conversation that proves my point, possibly one of us is wrong. In either case, I apologise.

I have two cents as well...

Beatrix Kiddo wrote: Some of us feel that drifting conversations are really what we like best about NOOL, a happy aside to on-topic issues which can sometimes prove rather repetitive, and that those who find such drifting conversations not to their taste can fairly easily simply ignore them.

A few off-thread-topic-postings are Ok, I'm guilty myself. What can be a little bit annoying is when there are pages after pages with a "seemingly pointless" dialog of one-liners in a hijacked thread.

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: sorry Beatrix, but i think i've seen this with many women before you came here. this isn't about you or any other girl that posts here. i was pointing out a painful cycle that continues to repeat itself everytime another girl decides to post here. ever notice how the girls don't stick around for long? take a break from your busy posting schedule to go back through the archives to see for yourself.

I think they don't stick around because they actually don't obsess as much as we guys (exceptions exist).

/TLV

Everyone do the ostrich!

Beatrix Kiddo wrote: Some of us feel that drifting conversations are really what we like best about NOOL, a happy aside to on-topic issues which can sometimes prove rather repetitive, and that those who find such drifting conversations not to their taste can fairly easily simply ignore them. Some of us feel that there is nothing wrong, and really everything right, when a discussion that begins with New Order is able to follow whatever twists and turns the inventive minds of our diverse worldwide membership happen to pursue. Thus, to say “if you want pointless chit-chat, that’s what Behind Closed Doors is for” is not really an adequate response.

Beatrix Kiddo?! Liked NOBabe better... ;) Anyway I totally agree!

TLV wrote:

A few off-thread-topic-postings are Ok, I'm guilty myself. What can be a little bit annoying is when there are pages after pages with a "seemingly pointless" dialog of one-liners in a hijacked thread.

Maybe we can agree on this. Sounds reasonable to me.

His (Late) Holiness, The Pope wrote: Can we make it a rule that every thread MUST be hijacked?

*Hey Pope, isn't it about time you "upgrade" to brand new Pope BeneDick XVI?!

TLV and Daver tie for the most accurate summation of the state of NOOL.

*taking a break from the discussion to DO THE OSTRICH!!!*

Daver wrote: Everyone do the ostrich!

Is it safe to pop my head up and just say.... Let's be friends everyone.:D

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: If you want idle chit-chat, that's what Behind Closed Doors is for.

*Alright, but I don't really have time to follow that forum as well, unfortunately. Now, here we're talking about threads that start on topic of course... if it happens they end off topic it just happens and there's nothing wrong, and it's often a funny aside, as Miss Kiddo said... I like how threads flow naturally and I wouldn't like any repression of that, it's just nice to follow the stream... Of course sometimes they become uninteresting, but then I just have a quick look and scroll and let the others have fun without bothering...

I don't come to NOOL to make friends or idle chit-chat.

*Uh, maybe you should just consider that chit-chat online is quite different from what happens with your usual friends, especially if they don't care about New Order... it's just different, you can't say we need chatting here cos we've got no friends in our real lives cos it's just totally different and one thing doesn't certainly replace the other...

I also can't help but laugh at the hordes of pathetic men (boys) who make fools of themselves lusting after every woman that dares post here. Without fail, women posters are the focus and flash point for horny, unstable men who've been so unsuccessful with women in real life, they've taken to flirting online with someone they've never met. Perhaps the saddest, most pathetic thing about NOOL.

*Oh come fookin on! Sit down and relax! You know what, I've really had a couple of girls known on Italian mailing lists, so you know, talking to them, sometimes, it's not as useless as you'd say! ;) But that's another point, of course. Here we're talking about an international forum and we all just know that it's quite unlikely that a guy living in Tennessee will ever meet NOBabe in Serbia, so just for this very reason, everyone kniows that there's no real "flirting online" here. It's just chatting and there might be some jokes about sex and stuff but if you get disturbed from them you must seek help from a good therapist. The new Pope would be proud of you. BTW I'm sure the most of us have no problems with girls in real life and we just talk to girls on the forum for a friendly chat...

TLV wrote: I have two cents as well...

A few off-thread-topic-postings are Ok, I'm guilty myself. What can be a little bit annoying is when there are pages after pages with a "seemingly pointless" dialog of one-liners in a hijacked thread.

/TLV

What is "seemingly pointless" to one person is centrally important to someone else. The actual topic of the thread may "seem pointless" in some cases.