The future of NOOL

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: sorry Beatrix, but i think i've seen this with many women before you came here. this isn't about you or any other girl that posts here. i was pointing out a painful cycle that continues to repeat itself everytime another girl decides to post here. ever notice how the girls don't stick around for long? take a break from your busy posting schedule to go back through the archives to see for yourself.

*OK, bring some examples please. I don't have the time to browse the archive to find what might have upset you, but maybe you have, and you should anyway, being the person with the problem. And please, next time something upsetting happens don't keep it all inside yourself and share with us your concerns, so we might clarify at the moment and save the time, it's no good to come up with this issues when you can't cite examples... Also, I don't think that what you wrote is encouraging girls to post here, they might be afraid their posts look to be provoking...

Wise words, Parma Mick!

Btw, who's that guy from Tennessee?

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: I've never seen you post any sexually inspired messages to any girls that post here Patrick. I wish more women would post here because it's good to get new/different perspectives on New Order. If you don't fit the profile of a guy who posts lude, inappropriate messages to female members, then i'm not speaking about you.

*I'm sure the most of the girls are able to defend themselves if someone posts lude and inappropriate messages. They might also just have a laugh and you shouldn't be too disappointed...

Beatrix Kiddo wrote: Wise words, Parma Mick! Btw, who's that guy from Tennessee?

*Thank you. I don't think anyone's from Tennesse here, that's why I used that state to make an example about no one in particular, just living on the other side of the planet from you... ;)

Rocket Mick, the Henry Kissenger of New Order online

Mick Aneworderfan wrote:

Beatrix Kiddo wrote: Wise words, Parma Mick! Btw, who's that guy from Tennessee?

*Thank you. I don't think anyone's from Tennesse here, that's why I used that state to make an example about no one in particular, just living on the other side of the planet from you... ;)

That's okay. I was only joking about the guy from Tennessee. As for the other side of the planet, anything is possible, my friend. ;)

Oh, alright Maya And if anyone REALLY wants a STRICTLY on-topic place for New Order go to Ceremony Warren will protect you from any off topic garbage

Spotnick wrote: Woah...

People, you take this too seriously...

There is one thing you need to understand... when you start having personal conversations completely unrelated to the thread itself, you kill that thread, as simple as that.

I was curious to see a thread that was going on for 20 pages about a specific topic, but to notice this thread was actually 18 pages of personal discussions within a few people.

I don't mind, but we do have a chat room (is the link still there?) for this kind of thing, or we have the off-topic forum.

It's nothing against the people themselves, it's just a reminder that it's not polite to hijack threads... especially when it's a topic that interests you, having to go through 20 pages for something that should be 2 or 3 pages is sometimes a pain.

From the community standards:

Disruption… Posts which intend to disrupt the topic of conversation or steer the topic away from the focus of the forum and related news. Disruption can include harassment, multiple posting of the same post and posting completely off topic messages.

It's nothing against you, but you are welcomed to use the off-topic forum as you like to avoid disruption...

And I'm not mad when saying this... I understand some people mike like it, but you can simply start your own threads when you are about to disrupt... ?

The Voice of Reason spoke

Totally agree with you.

Spotnick wrote: Woah...

People, you take this too seriously...

There is one thing you need to understand... when you start having personal conversations completely unrelated to the thread itself, you kill that thread, as simple as that.

I was curious to see a thread that was going on for 20 pages about a specific topic, but to notice this thread was actually 18 pages of personal discussions within a few people.

I don't mind, but we do have a chat room (is the link still there?) for this kind of thing, or we have the off-topic forum.

It's nothing against the people themselves, it's just a reminder that it's not polite to hijack threads... especially when it's a topic that interests you, having to go through 20 pages for something that should be 2 or 3 pages is sometimes a pain.

From the community standards:

Disruption… Posts which intend to disrupt the topic of conversation or steer the topic away from the focus of the forum and related news. Disruption can include harassment, multiple posting of the same post and posting completely off topic messages.

It's nothing against you, but you are welcomed to use the off-topic forum as you like to avoid disruption...

And I'm not mad when saying this... I understand some people mike like it, but you can simply start your own threads when you are about to disrupt... ?

When you are about to disrupt? The whole point is that the thing is unplanned. I'm sorry, Nic, but you obviously are missing the entire point.

What chatroom, Nic?

Spotnick wrote: Quite possible Patrick... I'm having health problems since last friday and I'm not too well, but it's getting better, so I'm not "all there" since then.

I don't mind the off-topic posts, but when it becames bigger than the topic itself, I believe it might become a problem...

I'm sorry you're not feeling well, Nic. I hope you feel better soon.

As you may have perceived, this is a very sensitive subject for a great many people.

Spotnick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: What chatroom, Nic?

http://www.neworderonline.com/ChatRoom.aspx

I haven't checked it for a while though... might not work, I don't remember if the link is in the Community menu yet or not.

Does work. Didn't know about that. We should maybe use it from time to time.

Sorry you're not well, Nic.

nic makes total sense.

I hate seeing a thread here about something I am interested in, seeing it is 4 pages long and getting all juiced up, then finding that the 2nd reply on page 1 is someone hijacking the thread and then like 4 people have a little talk for 2 pages about some restaurant or toothpaste (!) or whatnot and thus nobody ever answers or relates back to the original interesting thread topic.... and then i get in trouble for starting up a new thread about the topic, when one of those 4 idiots tells me to go read the thread down below about the very same topic that they ruined...

and, BLT, I hear ya about the lame flirts... seems like the second there is a new girl here, there are the same 3 or 4 guys who hijack whatever thread she has posted to and are making the weakest 'jokes' etc etc... it is embarrassing as a male to watch.... and like you say, it is sad that new order fans are like this... most of us get out and about and know how to treat the ladies properly without getting all drooly.

bottom line: nic has it right, we should start a new post if we are gonna hijack... how hard is it? for example, i have been trying to get info about the nyc show, but the threads often go off into neverland, and then there is no central post to follow for info... i am sure this has happened to others with other situations.... sorry i posted so much, this just pisses me off.... we shouldn't need rules or anyone getting pissed off, we should just be friggin adults and be polite to each other by having some basic respect, whether it is with women or offtopic rants... and if we want to be drooling drunk punks, we can go to BCD!!!

eh? :)

p.s. can't the moderator just move threads to BCD??? if the thread begins offtopic??? other forums do this effectively...

p.s.s. this IS an issue... mainly because of the traffic here, and the expense of this site to run, and if we can all make it a bit more efficient (and no, efficient does not equal assholish nazi ocd types as the poll assumes) we can keep it better organized, more informative for new folks, more relevent, and show Cure forums etc just how a REAL forum with smart folks runs....

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: it's not just about Beatrix and it's not about just talking/chatting to her/any girl. it's the one-liners riddled with gradeschool sexual innuendo's and thinly-veiled sexual come-on's. if it were strictly chatting, like you would with a guy, it wouldn't bother me but when i see the same sexually charged messages following female NOOLers around, it disturbs me.

Something I am probably as guilty of forgetting as anyone else is that something that one person (or one group of people) finds funny will not seem at all funny to someone else. At best unfunny; sometimes even offensive. This point is deep at the heart of the issue being discussed here.

There is an excellent diversity of cultural backgrounds here and by no means are all of the people on the English language threads posting in their first language. Given this, and the fact that I know I’m not the only one to enjoy a drink when I’m posting at night, it's a wonder that this thing works at all.

I find a lot of the posts on here are really really funny. Other things I read here are irritating or boring, other things are informative and thought-provoking. Occasionally someone posts something that makes me angry. I am sure that everyone else feels the same, but everyone will find pleasure in different things they find here.

very true B.I.O. Posts can be interpreted in many different ways. in fact, it seems most of the things i find offensive, don't seem to bother the women posters on NOOL. i don't know of any occasion when a female member has complained about sexual harrassment. it's a personal thing with me that i find extremely offensive.

and thats the nub of the issue Brian, you seem to be stating that your own personnal viewpoint should take precedence on this site.

I would guess that the number of female posters on this site has stayed fairly simliar over time, posters like VelocityGirl & April may have left but new female members have joined and some of the girls seem to have been here since the year dot (Agentwood & Shelly spring to mind. ) I also think that the number of men who have joined & left would be fairly comparable in terms of %'s.

In the UK NO are a very male band, as attendance at any concert will show & as someone else said, the internet does seem to be a man thing in the main ( from personnel experiance my wife and her friends, they would rather chat on the phone or in person rather type into a screen) and that could the reason for the relative low number of females here

I find this to be one of the best run boards i visit on the net and wouldn't want it to change at all (luddite that i am)

Tarbox23 wrote:

p.s. can't the moderator just move threads to BCD??? if the thread begins offtopic??? other forums do this effectively...

....

Seb is the biggest culprit half the time - especially when April is around!!!!! ;)

The Haçienda must be (re)Built wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: it's not just about Beatrix and it's not about just talking/chatting to her/any girl. it's the one-liners riddled with gradeschool sexual innuendo's and thinly-veiled sexual come-on's. if it were strictly chatting, like you would with a guy, it wouldn't bother me but when i see the same sexually charged messages following female NOOLers around, it disturbs me.

Something I am probably as guilty of forgetting as anyone else is that something that one person (or one group of people) finds funny will not seem at all funny to someone else. At best unfunny; sometimes even offensive. This point is deep at the heart of the issue being discussed here.

There is an excellent diversity of cultural backgrounds here and by no means are all of the people on the English language threads posting in their first language. Given this, and the fact that I know I’m not the only one to enjoy a drink when I’m posting at night, it's a wonder that this thing works at all.

I find a lot of the posts on here are really really funny. Other things I read here are irritating or boring, other things are informative and thought-provoking. Occasionally someone posts something that makes me angry. I am sure that everyone else feels the same, but everyone will find pleasure in different things they find here.

very true B.I.O. Posts can be interpreted in many different ways. in fact, it seems most of the things i find offensive, don't seem to bother the women posters on NOOL. i don't know of any occasion when a female member has complained about sexual harrassment. it's a personal thing with me that i find extremely offensive.

and thats the nub of the issue Brian, you seem to be stating that your own personnal viewpoint should take precedence on this site.

where did i state my viewpoint should take precedence? must be UK education that's failing in the comprehension dept. i'm stating that i find it offensive and frankly embarrasing for the Guilty Partners.

Thought you would be watching Footballers Wives SHUG?

The reason I'm reading this right now is that I'm honestly hoping Patrick and Huntsman will decide to come back but hey all I can see here is BLT replies to every freaking post of this thread. How OFF TOPIC!

I think the whole system of ranking members according to how many posts they do may be a big factor-- they may feel the need to post ANYTHING to get to the "next level."

But what's worse? The forum being taken over by seasoned veteran NOOLers who may think they know everything and have no need to post -OR- The forum being taken over by New Order Newbies who ask questions and provide pre-mature input so that the veteran NOOLers can correct them.

It really doesn't matter much though; nobody should take forums that seriously anyway...

Patrick wrote:

TLV wrote: A few off-thread-topic-postings are Ok, I'm guilty myself. What can be a little bit annoying is when there are pages after pages with a "seemingly pointless" dialog of one-liners in a hijacked thread.

What is "seemingly pointless" to one person is centrally important to someone else. The actual topic of the thread may "seem pointless" in some cases.

And you post in such a thread because...?

/TLV

ShugZV© wrote:

38 EE's wrote: Thought you would be watching Footballers Wives SHUG?

:topic: :D

To clarify this SHUGZV,if you are watching FOOTBALLERS WIVES,which i am for the FIRST time,there was an advert featuring NEW ORDER singing MORNING NIGHT AND DAY which is available free from the GUARDIAN on SATURDAY.For those of you with a family life this will mean you can read this paper at your leisure.ME,i will be getting READY to go out that evening.Its great when your straight!YEAH :D

TLV wrote:

Patrick wrote:

TLV wrote: A few off-thread-topic-postings are Ok, I'm guilty myself. What can be a little bit annoying is when there are pages after pages with a "seemingly pointless" dialog of one-liners in a hijacked thread.

What is "seemingly pointless" to one person is centrally important to someone else. The actual topic of the thread may "seem pointless" in some cases.

And you post in such a thread because...?

/TLV

Because someone makes a comment that I want to respond to.