leaving on a jetsteam (video)

When's the Jetstream video coming out anyways? Just got an automated email from Sultan's site and he's got some screenshots from the video.

Now...does this one look promising to you?

Give me Fat Bob's stage presence any day.

But I do think it's cool that Bernard's taken to dressing like me these days. Well, we are the same age. :D

Are they selling iPods?

Ana looks scary mannish in those pics.

Track 7 on the Enhanced CD appears to be an interactive u-myx program - some very basic software that allows you to remix the track yourself. Users of Acid Pro and the like will scoff at it but it may be of amusement to some.

There may also be a remix competition run in accordance with it. It's appeared on Muse and Killers' singles before.

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His (Late) Holiness, The Pope wrote: Ana looks scary mannish in those pics.

Don't know that the fringe is doing her any favours.

Who was it that was salivating over her on these pages a few weeks back?

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Hasn't anyone got a copy of the vid yet? It'll be on The Box in the UK tonight for sure (hint hint).

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I saw the video last night on VH2.You dont really see that much of the band,more Bernards face.You do get a split second of Barney doing his dance but its mainly Ana Matronic prancing around.It looked OK.

Probably not a bad way to edit it either. Keep the lens on the chick, keep the old pros in the dark background. Works for Garbage.

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Barney does look like hes had a good night on the Pernod in the video bless him.But i do think it will chart higher than Krafty !!

Christ on a bike! .Ana Matronic looks awful in those pics.haven`t seen the vid yet but she looks like a bloke.I did like her looks before this but that is scary!

matty c wrote: Barney does look like hes had a good night on the Pernod in the video bless him.But i do think it will chart higher than Krafty !!

Yes - I know I've said it before, but I think it's going to be huge worldwide, and give them their first proper UK number 1 even. Most of my colleagues have been singing along to the J-E-T bit when it comes on the radio at work.

Old Blue wrote:

Yes - I know I've said it before, but I think it's going to be huge worldwide, and give them their first proper UK number 1 even.

Just wanted a copy of this quote unedited, for future reference.

Big call from the Blue Brother!

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Which obviously means it will actually peak at 38 for one week before disappearing into oblivion...

I reckon if it had been the first single it would have had a genuine chance of being top 3 over here. This being mainly due to the SS connection mind you. As it is I reckon top 10 - most NO fans will buy it for the Richard X remix if nothing else.

Seb Briggs2 wrote: I reckon if it had been the first single it would have had a genuine chance of being top 3 over here. This being mainly due to the SS connection mind you. As it is I reckon top 10 - most NO fans will buy it for the Richard X remix if nothing else.

How successful are SS in the charts? Have they had a no 1? I gave their album a listen and wasn’t too impressed.

For the record, I think Jetstream sounds great. The mixes that I have heard are amazing and Miss Mantronic's input is stunning. Not for NO the typical choice of a pretty-sounding celeb songstress for a duet, or the temporary promotion of the backing singer. They have managed to spin a feeling of tension between two - a love song that could easily turn nasty at any point.

As for chart success, that’s up to the kids!

Seb Briggs2 wrote: I reckon if it had been the first single it would have had a genuine chance of being top 3 over here. This being mainly due to the SS connection mind you. As it is I reckon top 10 - most NO fans will buy it for the Richard X remix if nothing else.

How successful are SS in the charts? Have they had a no 1? I gave their album a listen and wasn’t too impressed.

For the record, I think Jetstream sounds great. The mixes that I have heard are amazing and Miss Mantronic's input is stunning. Not for NO the typical choice of a pretty-sounding celeb songstress for a duet, or the temporary promotion of the backing singer. They have managed to spin a feeling of tension between two - a love song that could easily turn nasty at any point.

As for chart success, that’s up to the kids!

Spotnick wrote: I must say congrats to Sultan, I have no idea who he managed to pull this rabbit out of the hat...

It's not like I haven't been trying to get these, and it's even before the damned pictures get published on warner germany's website, where Howard Wakefield said they would appear first.

Oh well.

He's certainly letting his exclusivity known with the captions on all the images!

I know it's been said before, but there really should only be the one primary NO website. I know all of the acrimonious history between the sites, I can remember the flaming on Ceremony back in the day. But really, NO's not big enough for two competing sites. The strengths of his site complementing this one would make a hell of a NO supersite.

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Spotnick wrote: I must say congrats to Sultan, I have no idea who he managed to pull this rabbit out of the hat...

It's not like I haven't been trying to get these, and it's even before the damned pictures get published on warner germany's website, where Howard Wakefield said they would appear first.

Oh well.

Shame on you, Nic! The sleeve appeared first in this site!

But not all three sleeves with tracklistings?

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depthcharge wrote:

I know it's been said before, but there really should only be the one primary NO website. I know all of the acrimonious history between the sites, I can remember the flaming on Ceremony back in the day. But really, NO's not big enough for two competing sites. The strengths of his site complementing this one would make a hell of a NO supersite.

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I disagree, DC. A merger would result in a site which would be different to this one. I'm sure that not many people would like to see a great deal of change here.

I used to like that header that played the strange mix when you clicked on it. The one that started with Barney saying "we're a bit fucked". I was sorry when that went. I'd bring that back, and change nothing else.

WIM has a certain charm. I like the way the conversations continue for months rather than hours. They have just started a "Lyrics" thread, which will probably go on for weeks. The NOOL lyrics thread was all done and dusted in days, and involved a sustained effort from a few determined posters and valuable contributions from many others. This comparison does not reflect badly on WIM by any means - the pace here requires real commitment to keep up, WIM can be visited for a few minutes a day without missing a single post. They also have a couple of band-member-elatives and a fine stalker. This could not occur here, these individuals would not last five minutes here; they would be bombarded with questions or insults and would never return.

Of course, quite a few people enjoy contributing to both forums - the true heroes in my opinion!

I'm really looking forward to seeing the Jetstream video, by the way!

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depthcharge wrote:

I know it's been said before, but there really should only be the one primary NO website. I know all of the acrimonious history between the sites, I can remember the flaming on Ceremony back in the day. But really, NO's not big enough for two competing sites. The strengths of his site complementing this one would make a hell of a NO supersite.

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I disagree, DC. A merger would result in a site which would be different to this one. I'm sure that not many people would like to see a great deal of change here.

Fair enough.

To be honest I fail to see much of what WIM offers that NOOL doesn't. Maybe I'm just being greedy and trying to amalgamate his news resources with what we've got here. That way we get everything from one site without having to to and fro all the time when news is breaking. NOOL's contacts seem to have improved remarkably over the years and there's not a lot of exclusives that WIM can actually boast these days. I've got nothing against David, I'm just calling it the way I see it.

When I check out his forums, well, they often seem a bit lifeless and somewhat behind the pace. Be interesting to see some posts from Hooky's 'tin lids' though.

Plus he has the FAC number and a phenomenal collection online that I sometimes refer to.

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From another perspective, David obviously has serious completist issues and I can't help but wonder if he'd ever actually relinquish one of the jewels in his collection: his very own successful New Order website. I think he probably loves the thought of being the biggest fanboy in the world and the exclusive ownership of Fac 441.

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Isn`t there another thread at the moment dealing with NOOL v WIM?.

Anyways back to the video.I got impatient to see it and ended up paying 75p to select it by phone on The Box music channel.Only had to wait about 10 minutes before it came on and i taped it.Quite good.Liked the colourful backdrop visuals and stuff.Ana isnt so scary in actual moving pictures as she is in the stills.Nice build up at the beginning when you just see her stilettoed feet strutting along.Not much of the band at all really is there?.Still its good to have them in their own vid again.First time since oooh.. must be Ruined In A Day the last time they starred?

depthcharge wrote: From another perspective, David obviously has serious completist issues and I can't help but wonder if he'd ever actually relinquish one of the jewels in his collection: his very own successful New Order website. I think he probably loves the thought of being the biggest fanboy in the world and the exclusive ownership of Fac 441.

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In the same position, i feel any of us would react the same way - I wouldn't begrudge him that.

As long as the 2 sites remain amicable I don't see why we can't have both

CuanaD wrote:

In the same position, i feel any of us would react the same way - I wouldn't begrudge him that.

I'm not actually begrudging him, just speculating on whether he'd ever consider pooling site resources into one.

It's true there are plenty of us who'd like our own FAC number but I'd suspect there are precious few who'd go to anything like the lengths he does in extreme fandom.

Anyhow, he's got one up on NOOL in this case. I wonder who'll post the first link to the actual Jetstream video.

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Stockholm Monster wrote: Isn`t there another thread at the moment dealing with NOOL v WIM?.

Anyways back to the video.I got impatient to see it and ended up paying 75p to select it by phone on The Box music channel.Only had to wait about 10 minutes before it came on and i taped it.Quite good.Liked the colourful backdrop visuals and stuff.Ana isnt so scary in actual moving pictures as she is in the stills.Nice build up at the beginning when you just see her stilettoed feet strutting along.Not much of the band at all really is there?.Still its good to have them in their own vid again.First time since oooh.. must be Ruined In A Day the last time they starred?

It'd be World, no?

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This isn't meant in a derogotary way - but the FAC number isn't really that much to get excited about is it? Fair enough if the label was still going, but...

Or have I missed something?

Where are the b-sides?

I want a great b-side that is just as good as "behind closed doors"

Or an instrumental? They haven't done one of those in a while.

Old Blue wrote: This isn't meant in a derogotary way - but the FAC number isn't really that much to get excited about is it? Fair enough if the label was still going, but...

Or have I missed something?

Just a bit of box action from what I can gather, OB.

Certainly doesn't have the same kudos it might have in the Factory heyday but there's surely some novelty/kitsch value there? Although I just checked and it's not listed in Dennis Remmer's exhaustive Factory number resource.

In somewhat related news, I just had a letter framed that Tony Wilson wrote to me in 1990 on the official Fac 141 stock. Sitting pretty next to my desk.

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Todd Marsee wrote: Where are the b-sides?

I want a great b-side that is just as good as "behind closed doors"

Or an instrumental? They haven't done one of those in a while.

Todd, the general concensus is that they're using all the leftover songs they recorded in the Sirens' sessions as the basis for the next album. Too strong for mere B-sides, so we're informed.

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Old Blue wrote: This isn't meant in a derogotary way - but the FAC number isn't really that much to get excited about is it? Fair enough if the label was still going, but...

Or have I missed something?

Was WIM Fac number given by Tony Wilson??? I will be exited to get my own FAC number...Maybe WIM deserve it, i do not know. We need both site for sure.

His (New Young) Holiness, The Pope wrote: Ana looks scary mannish in those pics.

You do realize that Ana Matronic is a guy in drag.

Looks like this video uses strobing effect. Ian won't stand for this.

Jetstream is the worst song on the album. It's a chessetastic gorgonzolite! Why didn't they release Guilt... or Morning, Day and Night. Jestream is radio friendly, but you can guarantee that, as usual, the playlisters will blank it, so NO should have released one of their traditional stormers (i.e. any other song off the album).

ah, the single argument....

look, Jetstream IS a tad cheesy, as are most pop hits...

The key is to hook as many folks as possible with the poptastic melodies and lyrics and then get them to buy the lp.... THEN, they hear the real stuff. THEN, they go out and pick up Substance or Best Of. THEN, they go pick up Technique or Low Life... THEN, they purchase Closer....

This has been the New Order MO for years.

And, hey, Jetstream IS a great pop hit. I get the song stuck in my head for days. That is a hard thing to do. I wish half the people dissing these pop songs would try to craft one themselves, as it is a lot harder than tracking a hip indie b-side. Effort of course does not equal relevance nor brilliance, but I commend New Order for having the balls to pen these pop tunes... it pays the rent and lets them push the artistic side...

J - E - T !!!!! (lighten up fellas!)

p.s. yeah hopefully they will release Guilt next... cause that is a pop MASTERPIECE..... Morning, Night, and Day is a bit too cerebral and more a song for us fans I think... the fans are not the ones who the singles are aimed at (we've already bought the lp...) ... the singles are meant to get NEW fans....

I love pop - I just don't love Jetstream...

To me 'Bizarre Luv Triangle' was New Order pop, 'Regret' was New Order pop, 'Here to Stay' was New Order pop: New Order pop is good when they keep the spirit of NO in there. Jetstream is more like 'Steps' pop, which would be OK if they were taking the wee wee...

And despite itself, I'll still be buying Jetstream, just coz I want New Order to get as high up the charts and as much visibility as is possible...

I'd also like to see them win the 'outstanding contribution' Brit award this year. Two or three 2005 top ten hits will make that more likely...

Er... maybe not Steps, more 'Girls Aloud'...

Oh dear. I think I need a lie down...

Here is my opinion: I liked Jetstream the first time I heard it. It is the best song on the record and the best single since Fine Time or True Faith.