Tarbox23 wrote:
Mick, please stop with the blatant lies.
*No lies, mate. I just see his fingers NOT going were they're supposed to go, out of sync or not...
It's not that they move earlier or later than the sound, they just DO NOT EVER move the way they should.
Unless he has set the keyboard so he can press one key and then the others follow automatically, but that's not different than pressing a "play" button.
Sometimes that trick is required for the most difficult stuff, like bits of Blue Monday and Perfect Kiss, but those missing movements in the songs of the show would have been rather simple...
I just don't see what I hear.
And it is just not credible to think that ALL OF A SUDDEN, after years of denouncing folks who mime, that New Order would do it...
*All of a sudden my arse. They've been totally miming on Top Of The Pops for 12 years now, haven't you ever heard? ;)
And Cunningham IS a keyboardist, just check out 511 or 316... I also read he helps compose keyboard parts.
*Absolutely yes, he can play keyboards and I'm sure he does it in proper concerts. But he didn't at that show.
do you honestly think they spent hours prerecording versions of the new lp and their old material JUST so they could come out and fake it live? that would take quite a lot of time and energy!
*Oh no, if you see he's just usually playing the guitar (except LWTUA and Jetstream, speaking of which, it would be funny if the keyboard would re-play the chords Phil had just "played" while he plays guitar in the second part). The VERY FEW TIMES he gets to the keyboard are just for a couple of chords and notes here and there (the most of the keyboard stuff is obviously a track in the mix as it's been for years, even live as it would be totally impossible to play them live, especially if you have to play guitar too). I don't think they spent a lot of time recording live those few bits so they could mix them with the usual base in the TV studio.
I thought you were joking at first.... jeez.... (the only reason I am upset about this is cause new order have a certain credibility, and new fans checking these forums may actually believe your unanswered accusations and think new order is just one step from britney spears et al....)
*There's still an abyss to Britney Spears, Tarbox. It's not things like these that matter now (unless you're a teenage holier-than-thou pseudo-punk). It's all about the music. And Phil does such a great performance on guitar we can forgive those few mimed bits on the keyboard. I just don't really care, it was just surprising to see but after all it doesn't matter, that doesn't make the band any better or worse.
They DID play live, the four of them. I just can see the keyboard part was mimed, for whatever reason, I'm sure there is one. Maybe those keyboards would have required more equipment, or whatever, they weren't just on a true stage, and they were doing multiple takes, so I just guess they wanted to save time with the keyboard. Nothing wrong with it, it's alright.