For me New Order is Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert. I think they lost something very essential when Gillian left. Phil knows how to play and he is male. I think Gillians shy image and poor playing is essential part of New Order. They changed they name after Ian Curtis, because they felt the band is not the same anymore. I think they should change it again, because Gillians not in the band. Maybe Last Order?
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and they never made a pact to change there name if something happens. Plus New order is always how they are known
Its been mentioned here loads of times before - NO were a 3-piece first, for a few months before Gillian joined. They recorded Ceremony that way (& then re-recorded it with her later). So, NewOrder could be seen as those 3 and whoever else they invite along (Gillian, Arthur Baker, Stephen Hague, Phil - they've all made a difference to the sound). Having said that, I do miss her contribution - I think the new songs are missing a little something in the keyboard department - can't describe it, but its there on lots of the OtherTwo stuff. I do hope she comes back eventually, then we can have NEWorder the world-beating 5-piece:D
I know what you mean, they have lost a little w/o Gillian, but the title track wftsc sounds quite alot like Your Silent Face, especially the keyboard parts. That being said it makes me think that Bernard may not have played the keyboards on PCL or on WFTSC but I'm sure he had a big influence on the arangements. IMO
The signature sound is Barney, Hooky, and Morrissey. 
It's still New Order as long as those three are playing together. Take one of them out of the equation, and it's not New Order.
Bottom line is that it is probably Bernard's call and they all probably didn't want to change the name after being New Order for soooooooooooooo long.
What would they have called themselves:
The Old Order The Decrepit Order Now No Longer On Drugs Order
Someone in a previous thread suggested The Third Reich.
You know, because it's their third incarnation. Nothing at all to do with Nazis. Why does everybody always make that connection? :D
Janezki wrote: For me New Order is Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert. I think they lost something very essential when Gillian left. Phil knows how to play and he is male. I think Gillians shy image and poor playing is essential part of New Order. They changed they name after Ian Curtis, because they felt the band is not the same anymore. I think they should change it again, because Gillians not in the band. Maybe Last Order?
Is your dissatisfaction with the newer material your only reason for the name change? Let's say WFTSC was the best thing you ever heard from them, would you still not want to call them New Order?
It's hard enough for them to sell anything these days as New Order. Changing their name would pretty much be career suicide.
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This is a really retarded thread....change the name of the band...yea ok lol. Makes no #@$#@ sense to me.
It doesnt matter what they or their fawning fans do... of course it would be consistent with the ethic of the band to change the name, but since when are they being consistent with anything they have done? but it makes n difference... they are already being referred to as New Order 2 and history will only increase the distinction between this collection of musicians and the band that recorded several important records in the 80s and 90s...
Ajw
AJ Wells wrote: they are already being referred to as New Order 2
By whom?
We've had some shitey threads over the years (yes, many started by dickhead here) but this is even more banal than I can remember (also granted my memory is rank!)
New Order 2
Right I'm aff to the pub, just as well the computer willnae be on, cos if I'd got to this thread with a drink in me......
AJ Wells wrote: It doesnt matter what they or their fawning fans do... of course it would be consistent with the ethic of the band to change the name, but since when are they being consistent with anything they have done? but it makes n difference... they are already being referred to as New Order 2 and history will only increase the distinction between this collection of musicians and the band that recorded several important records in the 80s and 90s...
Ajw
The colostomy emptyeth.....
Phil and the Thrills The Phil Cunnigham Four Phil and Some Old Men Phil featuring the Shack Rockers "Blue" Phil and the Mondays Phil and the True Faith Experience
No, don't the change the name. I do miss Gillian, though. I'm okay with Phil on board but if we can't have Gillian than I'd rather have Johnny Marr instead. But Johnny'd rather sing with his Healers band than loan his god-like guitaring skills to NO. C'est la vie.
The original 3 a re still there, plus if they don't see a reason to change the name, then that's fine with me.
ShugZV© wrote:
AJ Wells wrote: they are already being referred to as New Order 2
By whom?
We've had some shitey threads over the years (yes, many started by dickhead here) but this is even more banal than I can remember (also granted my memory is rank!)
New Order 2
Right I'm aff to the pub, just as well the computer willnae be on, cos if I'd got to this thread with a drink in me......
The NME review referred to them as New Order 2... and thats only the start... time will add far more to this story than you silly kids can imagine now... and its not a small issue at all... imagine if this band was called Joy Division... it was important enough for them to change their name when one of the members left... why is it any different that this time its the keyboardist and guitarist as opposed to the singer? Its truly a telling point how little of the punk ideal is left when this point is laughed off as being insignificant... its the difference between art and commerce...
Ajw
AJ Wells wrote:
ShugZV© wrote:
AJ Wells wrote: they are already being referred to as New Order 2
By whom?
We've had some shitey threads over the years (yes, many started by dickhead here) but this is even more banal than I can remember (also granted my memory is rank!)
New Order 2
Right I'm aff to the pub, just as well the computer willnae be on, cos if I'd got to this thread with a drink in me......
The NME review referred to them as New Order 2... and thats only the start... time will add far more to this story than you silly kids can imagine now... and its not a small issue at all... imagine if this band was called Joy Division... it was important enough for them to change their name when one of the members left... why is it any different that this time its the keyboardist and guitarist as opposed to the singer? Its truly a telling point how little of the punk ideal is left when this point is laughed off as being insignificant... its the difference between art and commerce...
Ajw
Your argument doesn't make sense.
Other bands have lost members, indeed most of their line-up and not changed their names.
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
AJ Wells wrote:
ShugZV© wrote:
AJ Wells wrote: they are already being referred to as New Order 2
By whom?
We've had some shitey threads over the years (yes, many started by dickhead here) but this is even more banal than I can remember (also granted my memory is rank!)
New Order 2
Right I'm aff to the pub, just as well the computer willnae be on, cos if I'd got to this thread with a drink in me......
The NME review referred to them as New Order 2... and thats only the start... time will add far more to this story than you silly kids can imagine now... and its not a small issue at all... imagine if this band was called Joy Division... it was important enough for them to change their name when one of the members left... why is it any different that this time its the keyboardist and guitarist as opposed to the singer? Its truly a telling point how little of the punk ideal is left when this point is laughed off as being insignificant... its the difference between art and commerce...
Ajw
Your argument doesn't make sense.
Other bands have lost members, indeed most of their line-up and not changed their names.
What about Pink Floyd 2 or Oasis 4 or The Fall 897 Ron? 
Just cos the NME say something it doesnae mean people take it seriously Mr Wells, of course there's been a change in the band and obviously it will be looked apon as a progression from the band with Gillian in it. But New Order 2 gies peace.
Now I don't know if it's cos I am hungover to fuck, but the thought has just entered my head that Ajw is Paul Morley
ShugZV© wrote: Now I don't know if it's cos I am hungover to fuck, but the thought has just entered my head that Ajw is Paul Morley
How do you get there? OTT at times but I never thought Morley spouted that much shite. If you are referring to NME journos of the past, Seething Wells was/is Steven Wells.
James Thomas wrote:
ShugZV© wrote: Now I don't know if it's cos I am hungover to fuck, but the thought has just entered my head that Ajw is Paul Morley
How do you get there? OTT at times but I never thought Morley spouted that much shite. If you are referring to NME journos of the past, Seething Wells was/is Steven Wells.
I refer back to Rob's famous quote on Wired M'lud :D
Morley's not too bad at all, but he does have artistic license to go over the top sometimes, and to paraphrase Morley "Much in the same way....Ajw does"
If Mr Wells appears at Hyde Park I'll be the first to buy the old bugger a drink
