Why do critics hate Get Ready so much?

I am fairly new to the boards here but I was listening to Get Ready again the other day and that has to be their best original album since Technique (I would place it up there with Low Life). Is this just a case of people that just like Blue Monday and Bizarre Love triangle critiquing a band they hardly know?

Well there's no N.O. album I really hate.

I think most "critics" have a problem with GR because it has more guitars and less electronic sounds.

I like GR and I think (like I said before somewhere else) that WFTSC is a great evolution of it.

Get Ready ... and that has to be their best original album since Technique

Beating out how many inbetween?!

I apparently like all the wrong songs on it...

I love Someone Like You, Run Wild, Vicious Streak, Close Range... and am not into the first 3.... especially not into that crappy one, Turn My Way....

but, I think it a decent album.... just not their best... but better than most albums other bands put out...

Tarbox23 wrote:

but, I think it a decent album.... just not their best... but better than most albums other bands put out...

well, what a sec...

that site gives Getready a BETTER score than WftSC !!!

GetReady: Critics = 71 Fans = 8.7 WftSC: Critics = 60 Fans = 8.3

huh???

are we out of touch here at NOOL???

is GetReady the superior LP???

"We" who? You don't speak for me and never will.

Get Ready was steady....with a couple of choice tracks in crystal and Run wild,but a great bassline was lost on the otherwise bad 60mph to my mind..

get ready had great reviews from what i remember (by music critics who get paid for their opinion). they missed a great opportunity to tour the states with that one. but as peter hook says, they don't feel they missed out on anything or something like that cause mass acclaim and cashing in isnt their style.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: "We" who? You don't speak for me and never will.

oh, so sorry your holiness!!!!

it was not the royal WE, you do realize, right?

[text=hidden]you papal crap[/text]

Tarbox23 wrote:

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: "We" who? You don't speak for me and never will.

oh, so sorry your holiness!!!!

it was not the royal WE, you do realize, right?

[text=hidden]you papal crap[/text]

You can fuck right off, you twat.

oops, sorry, that was supposed to be HIDDEN html!!!!!

sorry sir.... :)

Tarbox23 wrote: well, what a sec...

that site gives Getready a BETTER score than WftSC !!!

GetReady: Critics = 71 Fans = 8.7 WftSC: Critics = 60 Fans = 8.3

huh???

are we out of touch here at NOOL???

is GetReady the superior LP???

YEP.

Actually GR got better reviews when it was released than when WFTSC was released. A lot of people in this forum don't like it though, especially Ally and a few others. Me personally, I don't mind it at all, a few gems on there for sure such as Crystal, 60 Miles an Hour, Turn My Way, Close Range, and a few others. I don't think it's bad at all and was great for a comeback. One thing that tell's me that it wasn't a bad album though is because a mate of mine first heard it and thought it was amazing, considering he's my age and never heard NO before, GR alone made him get into New Order. So it can't be that a bad album.

I like Get Ready a little bit more than WFTSC. They both lack those perfect classic NO tracks with solid hit potential, like Bizarre Love Triangle, Regret, Blue Monday, True Faith, Temptation... And curiously only the first two I've mentioned were really album tracks, and they don't make the albums they were in as my favorite. Considering all the tracks in each album, I think Technique, Get Ready and WFTSC are almost in the same quality level, but Crystal and Round & Round stand out as being closer to those perfect "hittable" NO tracks, so they take a higher place in my personal ranking. The three albums have some of my favorite tracks as a fan: Dream Attack, Primitive Notion and WFTSC, but these ones do not have that much hit potention IMHO though.

Get Ready is Better Than WFTSC i have said this all along, no matter how many times i listen to it. i just cant listen to jetstream and Working Overtime at all! the rest of the album is good and WFTSC, Turn & Guilt Standout for me.

get ready i can listen to straight Through even Rock the Shack

RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: I like Get Ready a little bit more than WFTSC. They both lack those perfect classic NO tracks with solid hit potential, like Bizarre Love Triangle, Regret, Blue Monday, True Faith, Temptation... And curiously only the first two I've mentioned were really album tracks, and they don't make the albums they were in as my favorite.

Well, I almost replied to this before reading all of it, cause I was gonna point out that most of the songs you listed were NON album tracks... but you were smartly onto it....

I think it is a good question though, why do New Order not release non-album singles anymore?

Especially considering many of their best songs ARE non-LP singles.... ???

And don't talk to me about record company bullshit, cause whenever I do, you all tell me how NEW ORDER is in charge and not their management and they are still punk, blah blah blah....

So, why no new non-LP singles that rock from New Order??? (brutal and here to stay were movie songs)

Couldn't they put out something this late Summer or Autumn from those unreleased 2006 lp songs... mix it up and put out a hit???

I'm not a critic but Get Ready was very weak in my opinion.

Turn my way and 60 mph stand out but I found Crystal a struggle to be a pop hit Matter of fact I hate that song other than the heeeeyyss - Krafty blows it away in that aspect.... Primitive Notion is like the Dracula's castle of that album.

Rock the shack and Working overtime are probably the worst sounding tracks they've ever done.

And yes i do miss the synth pop shit that Gillian brought to the group.

(((((e)))))

Get Ready was a classic, best thing New Order had done since Technique, and far better (and more consistent) than Waiting For The Sirens' Call (which is also good, however).

Get Ready got very good reviews at the time of release, but it has somehow suited the music press to talk about the 'poorly received' Get Ready, for some strange reason. Those people that say it sounded "too Joy Division" are talking nonsense, and have obviously never listened to Unknown Pleasures.

The reviews were great when it came out, but I guess some journalists were calling it a dodgy album to highlight how much they like the new one. NME were a good example, talking it up when it came out, but saying no one liked it when they mention it now.

As much as there is little point in always following fashion, Get Ready was New Order's freshest, and most contemporary sounding album at the time of release - it surprised a number of casual and long-time fans for it's guitar-heavy tracks. Don't forget though - it did have synths on there too!

Andy

I think because, like others have said or alluded to, there are few synthesizer based dance tracks. Someone Like You is probably the closest one you get. Vicious Streak and 60 Miles An Hour are throwbacks to the old NO days; Primitive Notion a throwback to the old JD days. Close Range similar to something you'd perhaps find on Twisted Tenderness. I really like Close Range, by the way, and not sure why many dislike it so much. Crystal is the standout track that is head and shoulders above the rest. Turn My Way was underrated and I agree with previous posters who harped on about how it should have been released as a single back in 2001. I think North America would've received it well. Slow Jam and Rock the Shack were the real clangers, especially the latter. It's cringeworthy and not as good as Working Overtime with all its warts and all, but still, with that said, I could listen to that over a lot of the bubble gum pop on the radio nowadays (read: Hollaback Girl). Run Wild was an interesting track. Nice to see an acoustic number I suppose, especially as the closer. I just have to be in a certain mood to listen to this stripped down song. Touching lyrics, but I don't think they are about Steve and Gillian's child - it seems more like a lovers' song.

The b-sides were exceptionally good. I'm disappointed there won't be any for WFTSC as they're holding them over for the forthcoming album. I just don't find their remixes all that interesting anymore. Get Ready featured some of the worst remixes to date, save Sly & Robbie and the rest of that RIAD mixing tripe that sounds exactly the same.

I, too, wish there was at least another synthier track on there such as Here To Stay would've went well, but alas it wasn't meant to be. It's a really good album after an eight year hiatus. I think we should at least give them credit for that.

Will you all just shut the f**k up for once? Like you all hate GR so much now ... You loved it in 2001, admit it.

It's a good solid album, and in Crystal and Primitive Notion, they've 2 of the best songs they've done. A few too many weak tracks though IMO (SLY, Slow Jam), and not as good as WFTSC.

Feel much the same about it now as I did then really.

i think most american critics loved Get Ready much more than WFTSC... that could explain the confusion here.

i'm probably the board's biggest GR proponent

Yeah I didn't think it was badly reviewed but when the new album came out it alot of music journalists slagged GR saying this was their best album since technique. I liked the move back to guitars and JD style drumlines.

After Republic, I was concerned it would be another 'pop' album that would come next. I really missed Hooky's bass in Republic and to hear it so much in Get Ready was a treat. There was also a lot more passion in Get Ready than I expected and the live stuff from it (paticularly Crystal) sounded amazing.

Bere wrote:

I like GR and I think (like I said before somewhere else) that WFTSC is a great evolution of it.

Amen to that. GR and WFTSC rules

i thought critics were pretty nice to Get Ready when it came out, gave it alot of leeway. WFTSC has met a harsher eye

complaints about Get Ready... seem to concentrate on the overly long production that seems to drag some of the songs down, especially on the first half, and the questionable songwriting on the second half... and Bernard's lyrics were some of his most facile/ lightweight/ amateur

Ive said it many times on here before and i will say it again, Get Ready was an outstanding album whereas WFTSC was merely "very good." Get Ready really had this passion on it, just something that grabbed me more then WFTSC has done so far. And not to mention, Crystal is one of the best songs New Order has ever recorded, it has a lot of authority.

Bere wrote: Well there's no N.O. album I really hate.

I think most "critics" have a problem with GR because it has more guitars and less electronic sounds.

I like GR and I think (like I said before somewhere else) that WFTSC is a great evolution of it.

Totally agree, Get Ready is a great album

I just had to say something.

I had never heard a New Order song before I listened to "Get Ready" yesterday and all I have to say about it is...HOLY SH*T! I love it!

This album is really amazing and so refreshing, especially since the music scene has been sucking for a while.

The reason I decided to check out New Order was that I listen to The Tea Party and I know they're into Joy Division and I know Joy Division has something to do with New Order and I like to check new stuff out all the time...which means I have to check out Joy Division because I barely know anything of theirs...

...in the words of New Order:

"Just give me one more wish I can't get enough of this When it gets to be alive And not just still survive To hit and not to miss I can't get enough of this

I can't get enough of this I can't get enough of this I can't get enough of this I can't get enough of this I can't get enough of this I can't get enough of this I can't get enough of this I can't get enough of this"

Guess what album's on repeat right now?

:)

NObabe wrote: Will you all just shut the f**k up for once? Like you all hate GR so much now ... You loved it in 2001, admit it.

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WELL SAID!

Isamu wrote:

NObabe wrote: Will you all just shut the f**k up for once? Like you all hate GR so much now ... You loved it in 2001, admit it.

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WELL SAID!

Agreed! Well done, NOBabe!

TheWanderer wrote: I just had to say something.

I had never heard a New Order song before I listened to "Get Ready" yesterday and all I have to say about it is...HOLY SH*T! I love it!

This album is really amazing and so refreshing, especially since the music scene has been sucking for a while.

The reason I decided to check out New Order was that I listen to The Tea Party and I know they're into Joy Division and I know Joy Division has something to do with New Order and I like to check new stuff out all the time...which means I have to check out Joy Division because I barely know anything of theirs...

Guess what album's on repeat right now?

:)

new flesh! welcome to the comunity

loved get ready when it came out and still do today,if any new order album proves their worth its this one. it proves once and for all that they are continually evolving and trying new stuff. ok they dont always pull it off,but so what? when they do get it right MAN do they get it right. as someone in ere has pointed out wftsc is an evolution of get ready and again whilst some of the tracks may not click so to speak, the one that do really hit home (cant be arsed naming them ect). but you see,being a looooong time fan ive known this for many years as in all honesty every album they have made has its bright and dull spots.

Surpisingly, i dont really like crystal. It is not easy my ears and is way too long. One of the only instance, where i dont like a long epic new order song.

jonathan szwajkos wrote: Surpisingly, i dont really like crystal. It is not easy my ears and is way too long. One of the only instance, where i dont like a long epic new order song.

Do you like anything else on GR, Jonathan?

Slow Jam anyone?

NObabe wrote: Slow Jam anyone?

Apparently The Wanderer likes it.

P, could you force yourself to love the lyrics at least?

Just wondering ....

NObabe wrote: P, could you force yourself to love the lyrics at least?

Just wondering ....

No, M, I hate everything about it. Everything.

Not least the fact that it comes at such a central point in the album and as a result has such a devastatingly bad impact on the album as a whole.

Patrick wrote:

jonathan szwajkos wrote: Surpisingly, i dont really like crystal. It is not easy my ears and is way too long. One of the only instance, where i dont like a long epic new order song.

Do you like anything else on GR, Jonathan?

I live primitive notion, vicious streak, someone like you, run wild, and yes- rock the shack.

NObabe wrote: P, could you force yourself to love the lyrics at least?

Just wondering ....

How could anyone love this:

As I look at the morning sky Today the wind is blowing hard See that bird is floating high Pretty soon it will be tired I spent a day all by myself A rich man without his wealth Sometimes I get it wrong But I'm not the only one

The afternoon was very clear The sun was beating down on me I got thirsty for a beer That I had to go to sea The sea was very rough It made me feel sick But I like that kind of stuff It beats arithmetic

It beats arithmetic

although, i dont like slow jam, i like this line. Very random.

Understood, Jam hater you! If you must decide between We all stand and Slow Jam, which one would you rather listen to?

jonathan szwajkos wrote:

Patrick wrote:

jonathan szwajkos wrote: Surpisingly, i dont really like crystal. It is not easy my ears and is way too long. One of the only instance, where i dont like a long epic new order song.

Do you like anything else on GR, Jonathan?

I live primitive notion, vicious streak, someone like you, run wild, and yes- rock the shack.

Our favorites on that album are pretty different, Jonathan. My favorites are Crystal, Turn My Way, and Close Range. VS and RTS are OK.

I know a lot of people like PN but it really doesn't do anything for me.

easier new order song on my ears ever:

thieves like us.

pure joy, and i dont even need the singing, alhought i dig the lyrics.

Off the subject, sorry.

Patrick, where are you from?

NObabe wrote: Understood, Jam hater you! If you must decide between We all stand and Slow Jam, which one would you rather listen to?

Given that very difficult choice, M, the lesser torture would probably be Slow Death.

jonathan szwajkos wrote: easier new order song on my ears ever:

thieves like us.

pure joy, and i dont even need the singing, alhought i dig the lyrics.

Off the subject, sorry.

Patrick, where are you from?

I live in Washington, DC, Jonathan.

My favourite GR track - Primitive Notion :D

Patrick wrote:

jonathan szwajkos wrote: easier new order song on my ears ever:

thieves like us.

pure joy, and i dont even need the singing, alhought i dig the lyrics.

Off the subject, sorry.

Patrick, where are you from?

I live in Washington, DC, Jonathan.

say hi to ian mackaye for me.

jonathan szwajkos wrote:

Patrick wrote:

jonathan szwajkos wrote: easier new order song on my ears ever:

thieves like us.

pure joy, and i dont even need the singing, alhought i dig the lyrics.

Off the subject, sorry.

Patrick, where are you from?

I live in Washington, DC, Jonathan.

say hi to ian mackaye for me.

I would if I knew him, Jonathan, but I don't believe I do.

NObabe wrote: My favourite GR track - Primitive Notion :D

How do you feel about the ones I like, M?

Patrick wrote:

NObabe wrote: My favourite GR track - Primitive Notion :D

How do you feel about the ones I like, M?

Close Range is awesome! Turn my way used to be one of my favourites from GR but as I had listened to it too many times probably got sick of it, well not really, it's just that I can't remember when I last time played that one. GR track that I skip from time to time: Someone like you, Vicious Streak and Run Wild for no particular reason.

NObabe wrote:

Patrick wrote:

NObabe wrote: My favourite GR track - Primitive Notion :D

How do you feel about the ones I like, M?

Close Range is awesome! Turn my way used to be one of my favourites from GR but as I had listened to it too many times probably got sick of it, well not really, it's just that I can't remember when I last time played that one. GR track that I skip from time to time: Someone like you, Vicious Streak and Run Wild for no particular reason.

I'm glad to hear you like Close Range, M. As I've said many times, I think the line that the grass looked ten foot high is the emotional climax of the album.

I'm sure you know Big is a big fan of Run Wild.

It may have been said, but GR has Rock the Shack on it. Surely one of the worst new order songs ever. So that might just be the reason why many people slate the album.

I personally love it.

Run Wild is a decent pop song, kinda romantic especially "you're the kind of person that I've always wanted to be with ..." part. The problem with me is that I'm more into "Barney -pissed off" lyrics, if you know what I mean ... :D

SLY is the only track I don't really like on GR. Even grew to love Rock the Shack after a while...

As for WFTSC, don't much care for Guilt or Working Overtime, but all the others are great in their own very special way...

Uncle Liam wrote: It may have been said, but GR has Rock the Shack on it. Surely one of the worst new order songs ever. So that might just be the reason why many people slate the album.

I personally love it.

It also has Slow Jam. Not only that, it has RTS right after Slow Jam.

I personally like RTS, but the one-two punch of Slow Jam followed by RTS is a fatal blow.

NObabe wrote: Run Wild is a decent pop song, kinda romantic especially "you're the kind of person that I've always wanted to be with ..." part. The problem with me is that I'm more into "Barney -pissed off" lyrics, if you know what I mean ... :D

That really is the essence of NO, isn't it?;)

Uncle Liam wrote: It may have been said, but GR has Rock the Shack on it. Surely one of the worst new order songs ever. So that might just be the reason why many people slate the album.

I personally love it.

I love Rock the shack too.

Patrick wrote:

NObabe wrote: Run Wild is a decent pop song, kinda romantic especially "you're the kind of person that I've always wanted to be with ..." part. The problem with me is that I'm more into "Barney -pissed off" lyrics, if you know what I mean ... :D

That really is the essence of NO, isn't it?;)

Does this smilie ----> ;) mean you agree with me? ;)

refresh my memory please, which song is close range? I have to say my local record stores have an abudance of used get ready cd's.

Has wftsc been released on vinyl?

NObabe wrote:

Patrick wrote:

NObabe wrote: Run Wild is a decent pop song, kinda romantic especially "you're the kind of person that I've always wanted to be with ..." part. The problem with me is that I'm more into "Barney -pissed off" lyrics, if you know what I mean ... :D

That really is the essence of NO, isn't it?;)

Does this smilie ----> ;) mean you agree with me? ;)

I totally agree with you that lyrics of the type you describe are the essence of NO, and are immensely preferable to the appalling cheerfulness spread throughout Technique, for example.

jonathan szwajkos wrote: refresh my memory please, which song is close range? I have to say my local record stores have an abudance of used get ready cd's.

Has wftsc been released on vinyl?

Close Range

I wanna scream, I wanna shout I wanna know what it's all about I've seen it before but not like this I saw your name, it was on the list

By 4 O'Clock (It's gonna change) You were pretty high (It's gonna change) Right on the floor (It's gonna change) Looking at the sky (It's gonna change) I remember you (It's gonna change) When you were a kid (It's gonna change) It was pretty strange (It's gonna change) And things you did

You've got to pull yourself together man You've got to get back on your feet again How can I ever make you understand You've got the world right in your hands

No cold heart could turn away And not be moved by what I saw today There on the floor, thirty years or more He doesn't care, he just wants to score

By 4 O'Clock (It's gonna change) You were pretty high (It's gonna change) Right on the floor (It's gonna change) Looking at the sky (It's gonna change) I remember you (It's gonna change) When you were a kid (It's gonna change) It was pretty strange (It's gonna change) And things you did

You've got to pull yourself together man You've got to get back on your feet again How can I ever make you understand You've got the world right in your hands

You've got to pull yourself together man You've got to get back on your feet again How can I ever make you understand You've got the world right in your hands

Yet it only seems just like yesterday We used to run and hide Remember in the park where we used to play The grass looked ten foot high

You've got to pull yourself together man You've got to get back on your feet again How can I ever make you understand You've got the world right in your hands

You've got to pull yourself together man You've got to get back on your feet again How can I ever make you understand You've got the world right in your hands

jonathan szwajkos wrote: refresh my memory please, which song is close range? I have to say my local record stores have an abudance of used get ready cd's.

Has wftsc been released on vinyl?

I'm pretty sure WFTSC has been released on vinyl.

Patrick wrote:

NObabe wrote:

Patrick wrote:

NObabe wrote: Run Wild is a decent pop song, kinda romantic especially "you're the kind of person that I've always wanted to be with ..." part. The problem with me is that I'm more into "Barney -pissed off" lyrics, if you know what I mean ... :D

That really is the essence of NO, isn't it?;)

Does this smilie ----> ;) mean you agree with me? ;)

I totally agree with you that lyrics of the type you describe are the essence of NO, and are immensely preferable to the appalling cheerfulness spread throughout Technique, for example.

... or WFTSC?

NObabe wrote:

Patrick wrote:

NObabe wrote:

Patrick wrote:

NObabe wrote: Run Wild is a decent pop song, kinda romantic especially "you're the kind of person that I've always wanted to be with ..." part. The problem with me is that I'm more into "Barney -pissed off" lyrics, if you know what I mean ... :D

That really is the essence of NO, isn't it?;)

Does this smilie ----> ;) mean you agree with me? ;)

I totally agree with you that lyrics of the type you describe are the essence of NO, and are immensely preferable to the appalling cheerfulness spread throughout Technique, for example.

... or WFTSC?

WFTSC is a completely different matter.

The only track on WFTSC that I would call appallingly cheerful is Krafty, and that's probably the one I like the least.

What songs from Technique do you usually skip, P?

NObabe wrote: What songs from Technique do you usually skip, P?

I usually skip all of Technique except for Vanishing Point, M.

But, P, if you're a Dream Attack hater too, you owe me an apologize. ;)

NObabe wrote: But, P, if you're a Dream Attack hater too, you owe me an apologize. ;)

I don't hate Dream Attack, M. But the only thing on Technique that I LIKE is VP, so that is all that I would ordinarily play.

oh yeah i like close range. Personally, I like new orders more dance oriented tracks such as fine tine,guilt, perfect kiss, jetstream.

jonathan szwajkos wrote: oh yeah i like close range. Personally, I like new orders more dance oriented tracks such as fine tine,guilt, perfect kiss, jetstream.

Have you been able to hear all the Jetstream remixes yet, Jonathan?

Patrick wrote:

jonathan szwajkos wrote: oh yeah i like close range. Personally, I like new orders more dance oriented tracks such as fine tine,guilt, perfect kiss, jetstream.

Have you been able to hear all the Jetstream remixes yet, Jonathan?

no i wish. Has it been released yet?

jonathan szwajkos wrote:

Patrick wrote:

jonathan szwajkos wrote: oh yeah i like close range. Personally, I like new orders more dance oriented tracks such as fine tine,guilt, perfect kiss, jetstream.

Have you been able to hear all the Jetstream remixes yet, Jonathan?

no i wish. Has it been released yet?

It was released in the UK this past Monday, but not yet in the US.

Nic posted yesterday (I think) that a US release is now planned. I can't recall if he mentioned a date.

You might try looking for it in places that sell imports. The remixes are outstanding, really outstanding.

Slow Jam rules, as the whole album does. Yesterday i've played Slow Jam to a guy who is into rock and almost nothing else, and got him into asking for New Order cds for hearing Slow Jam and Crystal.