So it was a complete failure to venture into commercial territory. I've not heard one positive comment about this record from outside of this forum.

Am I misremembering or did Krafty end up somewhat better than it's midweek position?

Patrick wrote: Am I misremembering or did Krafty end up somewhat better than it's midweek position?

I think the general trend is for them to dip as the 'ardcore treck down early.

Johnny Giles wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: So it was a complete failure to venture into commercial territory. I've not heard one positive comment about this record from outside of this forum.

Depends what you class as a complete failure. How often has the 2nd single from a NO album reached the UK top 20 ? Looking back.....

60 mph : #29 World : Dunno. Anyone ?
R&R : #22 Subculture : Didn't break the top 40.

Even the much lauded Technique didn't spawn a 2nd top 20 hit. Brotherhood didn't have a 2nd single released from it - SoTN wasn't included on the British version of the album and didn't make the top 20 anyway, or even the top 40. The singles from the PC&L and Movement sessions were excluded from the albums of course.

The main reason for a single release [99% of the time] is to promote the album it's taken from, so to work out how successful Jetstream is will depend on its impact on WFTSC sales. Its maybe too early to tell at this stage. If Ana's involvement encourages a decent number of a wider/younger audience to buy WFTSC then that would be job done. They've certainly attracted a fair amount of media interest in the UK from Ana's involvement, I don't recall them normally getting this amount of TV exposure for the 2nd single release.

It's likely that Jetstream will chart lower than 19 as NOs hardcore fan base often buys their releases on the first couple of days of release so the Wednesday chart position could be slightly inflated.

How we're you seeing this as a complete failure Hank ?

As you say they've piled on the publicity and it's still bombed, all I can see it having done is to bring wide exposure to probably their worst ever single. I've read and heard quite a few negative comments on it, from casual observers, so I'd presume they've probably missed an opportunity to market the album.

When you consider how few sales a decent chart position requires in this day and age and that New Order retain a fairly large, loyal fan base, it must represent almost no inroads into any other market.

They should have released Guilt! Just listende to the MacQuayle vocal, and it's a cracker!

World Price Of Love went top 20 didn't it? I know Ruined In A Day was the second single off Republic (oh boy, those staggering influential Sly and Robbie mixes - slurp slurp!!!) and in typical form it didn't make the top 20. As a general rule, don't subsequent New Order singles do less well in the order they are released? (Both "Low Life" singles bombed cos they were already on the album weren;t they?) If that is the case then the title track will probably be a flop when it comes out won't it?

I'd say that #19 is being optimistic. I know the single will be lucky to stay top 25 at this rate. It's 60MPH all over again I'm afraid. Serves them right for realeasing such a fooking duff track as the second 45 then doesn't it?

And I'm fully happy and vindicated cos my ENTIRE Bunnymen collection is now safe from the jaws of E-Bay. :)

Arrgghhh!!!

Why are people getting so hung up on this? You like it/love it - you sing along to it; you loathe it/despise it - you move on. This is just getting silly...

Spotnick wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: I'd say that #19 is being optimistic. I know the single will be lucky to stay top 25 at this rate. It's 60MPH all over again I'm afraid. Serves them right for realeasing such a fooking duff track as the second 45 then doesn't it?

And I'm fully happy and vindicated cos my ENTIRE Bunnymen collection is now safe from the jaws of E-Bay. :)

But 60 MAH had no attract for the Scissor Sisters fan base, so this is why I'm surprised.

Gee, I just hope this won't stop them from releasing WFTSC...

Well doesn't that just prove one thing? That if New Order (or their record company) really think that all they can do to score some cred points with the kids is to get one of the bloody Scissor Sisters to duet with them on their single then they are grossly mistaken aren't they? I can just see their record company before the album launch saying that "Oh wow.....This Jetstream song will definitely win New Order a new audience when they release it as a single...." - how naive and stupid can one get?

If they released a single with Franz fooking Ferdinand or The Bravery I still doubt it would automatically guarantee top 20/top 10 status. Just cos there's a Scissor Sister on it doesn't mean it's going to sell loads does it? Fans aren't that gullible! What a desperately cynical ploy to try and shift units. I'm glad that this sorry exercise proves once and for all that no matter how much you dress up a turd, it bloody well remains a turd. It deserves to flop spectacularly! 28 with a bullet on Sunday - and then right out of the 60! :D

Why do my posts sometimes not come up!! There is no way I am typing all that again even tho it was the best point I ever made.

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:

Spotnick wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: I'd say that #19 is being optimistic. I know the single will be lucky to stay top 25 at this rate. It's 60MPH all over again I'm afraid. Serves them right for realeasing such a fooking duff track as the second 45 then doesn't it?

And I'm fully happy and vindicated cos my ENTIRE Bunnymen collection is now safe from the jaws of E-Bay. :)

But 60 MAH had no attract for the Scissor Sisters fan base, so this is why I'm surprised.

Gee, I just hope this won't stop them from releasing WFTSC...

Well doesn't that just prove one thing? That if New Order (or their record company) really think that all they can do to score some cred points with the kids is to get one of the bloody Scissor Sisters to duet with them on their single then they are grossly mistaken aren't they? I can just see their record company before the album launch saying that "Oh wow.....This Jetstream song will definitely win New Order a new audience when they release it as a single...." - how naive and stupid can one get?

If they released a single with Franz fooking Ferdinand or The Bravery I still doubt it would automatically guarantee top 20/top 10 status. Just cos there's a Scissor Sister on it doesn't mean it's going to sell loads does it? Fans aren't that gullible! What a desperately cynical ploy to try and shift units. I'm glad that this sorry exercise proves once and for all that no matter how much you dress up a turd, it bloody well remains a turd. It deserves to flop spectacularly! 28 with a bullet on Sunday - and then right out of the 60! :D

Too right ............But if this prevents the third single coming out it will be a tradjedy..People should hear this next single,and you can rest easy with your Bunnymen stash ,unless the Sissor sister bad choons fans, become a player, and J-E-T charts at number 7 ...Then to paraphrase Mr Mculloch"Don't let it get you down"great song,good band...be a sickner to loose that over the turdy Jetsream

No matter what though the plan went wrong, thinking that it would chart higher cause of the scissor sister fans, when it reality it charted much worse than Krafty. A mistake, but people arn't really bothered if this charts low, cause a lot of their stuff from the past has.

I'm really happy now though after hearing about the next album on XFM, let's see if NO go back to their old style or go nutty on guitars, most probably more the same of WFTSC, at least we'll have another year of NO next year though

Yes but have you seen the other new entries??! 01 (NE) Oasis - Lyla (they're still huge, it seems) 03 (NE) Black Eyed Peas - Don't Phunk With My Heart (sorry but this stuff is very popular nowadays) 06 (NE) Kaiser Chiefs - Everyday I Love You Less & Less (they've found the new Parklife Blur, and it's not meant as a compliment) 07 (NE) Jennifer Lopez ft. Fat Joe - Hold You Down (hugely popular, this place is almost a disappointment for her) 08 (NE) Max Graham vs Yes - Owner Of A Lonely Heart (still a timeless hit) I mean, with this competition, it would have been hard for everyone... Krafty was much luckier, and it was the comeback single... also some people might have been disappointed by Krafty, probably not strong enough for the indie kids, and especially by the lack of B sides. Still, it's a disappontment, because Jetstream is a great pop song and I can't understand how it can't be Top 10... if Madonna made such a song she'd have been number one. The same should be said for 60 Miles An Hour, a great commercial guitar pop single, if released by a young band it would have worked. This can mean only one thing: New Order have a huge fanbase, but every time they try to conquer other fans by venturing into areas which are not properly of their own they lose a fair share of that fanbase. Actually I thought the strategy of winning new fans for a band of fiftysomethings was wrong, because what can happen is they don't win any and then lose some of theirs, and that's what happened. If New Order released a single like Crystal it would have sold better because all the New Order fans would have bought it, and then some of those who usually are Joy Division - only fans, and fans of other new wave bands like The Smiths and Depeche Mode... alright, so you don't sell to the kids who're buying Bloc Party, but who fookin cares when you can sell to the old farts who're still buying The Cure?! In this perspective, if they can't release the title track as a single, that would really be a tragedy, because that's a New Order classic and I think it'd sell better. So maybe I was wrong when I thought Turn would have been a hit in America, the truth is New Order must stick to what they do better and what pleases most their fanbase, though they don't have to stick to the same formula, maybe the time for the experiments is over.

Mick Aneworderfan wrote: Yes but have you seen the other new entries??! 01 (NE) Oasis - Lyla (they're still huge, it seems) 03 (NE) Black Eyed Peas - Don't Phunk With My Heart (sorry but this stuff is very popular nowadays) 06 (NE) Kaiser Chiefs - Everyday I Love You Less & Less (they've found the new Parklife Blur, and it's not meant as a compliment) 07 (NE) Jennifer Lopez ft. Fat Joe - Hold You Down (hugely popular, this place is almost a disappointment for her) 08 (NE) Max Graham vs Yes - Owner Of A Lonely Heart (still a timeless hit) I mean, with this competition, it would have been hard for everyone... Krafty was much luckier, and it was the comeback single... also some people might have been disappointed by Krafty, probably not strong enough for the indie kids, and especially by the lack of B sides. Still, it's a disappontment, because Jetstream is a great pop song and I can't understand how it can't be Top 10... if Madonna made such a song she'd have been number one. The same should be said for 60 Miles An Hour, a great commercial guitar pop single, if released by a young band it would have worked. This can mean only one thing: New Order have a huge fanbase, but every time they try to conquer other fans by venturing into areas which are not properly of their own they lose a fair share of that fanbase. Actually I thought the strategy of winning new fans for a band of fiftysomethings was wrong, because what can happen is they don't win any and then lose some of theirs, and that's what happened. If New Order released a single like Crystal it would have sold better because all the New Order fans would have bought it, and then some of those who usually are Joy Division - only fans, and fans of other new wave bands like The Smiths and Depeche Mode... alright, so you don't sell to the kids who're buying Bloc Party, but who fookin cares when you can sell to the old farts who're still buying The Cure?! In this perspective, if they can't release the title track as a single, that would really be a tragedy, because that's a New Order classic and I think it'd sell better. So maybe I was wrong when I thought Turn would have been a hit in America, the truth is New Order must stick to what they do better and what pleases most their fanbase, though they don't have to stick to the same formula, maybe the time for the experiments is over.

Fantastic I agree with a hell of a chunk of that mate

Adam R wrote: No matter what though the plan went wrong, thinking that it would chart higher cause of the scissor sister fans, when it reality it charted much worse than Krafty. A mistake, but people arn't really bothered if this charts low, cause a lot of their stuff from the past has.

I'm really happy now though after hearing about the next album on XFM, let's see if NO go back to their old style or go nutty on guitars, most probably more the same of WFTSC, at least we'll have another year of NO next year though

Yes,and fingers crossed the next album will have great pop with no Jetstream pap

Wow, Michael. 209 posts detesting Jetstream. What an accomplishment.

Ahh, Im branching out a little With it being the new single and all, its bound to be a popular topic for debate, I would of thought Oh and I think it sucks by the way Are you Partial to a bit of the old J-E-T?

I'm just figuring New Order staring at the floor in the office of the Warners boss while he shouts: "Soooo - we spent quite a lot on promotion, you won't complain this time... and what - are - the - results??! Eh? It's us complaining now... you better fuck off back to an indie label!" ;)

Still, the album sales aren't bad, are they? Also, Jetstream had a crap video, that didn't help... Please, release the title track as a single, possibly with a B side (I know they're keeping it for the next album's fillers, but you've just seen how people care about remixes)... it'll do better!

The next single is set up for a proper B side you would think.I don't see how they can Remix this one and still keep it a lush song.Tho you could'nt be sure;) expansion on the bassline thro out the song ,would be something hooky would revel in.In the way he does when they play regret live Would be nice to have a B side if they don't wanna fuck with the A side

Who really cares where it charts? The teeny boppers normally buy there music on Saturdays (pocket money/off school) and this song is very pop oriented.

WFTSC Pete Heller Dub :

Ruined in a day wrote: They should have released Guilt! Just listende to the MacQuayle vocal, and it's a cracker!

We did and it's a pile of poo. However, they should release Guilt most definitely. :) The album version rocks. Well. Dances.

Top 20 isn't bad really. They'd probably like it to have been top 10, but it's still not a complete failure.

World made 12 I think. Bear in mind though that this was when NO were at their most popular and with a no#1 album (despite it being a bit crap) to promote.

Listening to the Mixes as much as I have, I'm convinced they should have used either the Baker or Richard X mix as the single, and probably had it on the album as well instead of the original.

For the Third single : WFTSC as a double 'A' sided single with TURN

What do you think?

Shug wrote: Complete UK Chart placings :

13 World (The Price Of Love) Sep 1993

1 place out over 12 years. The memory's still in good order!

one thing that list shows is they've never really scored that highly in the charts. Crystal only making 8 was a disgrace

7000 would have been too high for Sub-culture!

34 Ceremony 21st Mar 1981 38 Procession / Everything's Gone Green 17th Oct 1981 29 Temptation 12th June 1982 12 Blue Monday 23rd April 1983 9 Blue Monday (re-entry) 15th October 1983 12 Confusion 10th Sep 1983 18 Thieves Like Us 5th May 1984 Murder; TPK; Subculture; 28 Shellshock 5th Apr 1986 30 State Of The Nation 27th Sep 1986 BLT; 4 True Faith 15th Aug 1987 20 Touched By The Hand Of God 26th Dec 1987

Johnny Giles wrote:

Seb Briggs2 wrote:

Shug wrote: Complete UK Chart placings :

13 World (The Price Of Love) Sep 1993

1 place out over 12 years. The memory's still in good order!

One thing that list shows is they've never really scored that highly in the charts. Crystal only making 8 was a disgrace

Crystal, IMHO, is the best track from anyone, anywhere, released in the 21st century. Nothing else comes close.

Old cnut of Croydon

Don't worry Johnny, getting on a bit himself of Tooting agrees with you 100%

Spotnick wrote: BBC RADIO 2 A LIST

K T Tunstall - Other Side Of The World James Blunt - You're Beautiful Keith Urban - Days Go By Coldplay- Speed of Sound The Coral- In The Morning Tears For Fears- Everybody Loves A Happy Ending /Call Me Mellow Rob Thomas - Lonely No More Cliff Richard- What Car Stevie Wonder - So What The Fuss New Order - Jetstream

Am I right in saying that Krafty only got onto the C list?

Also, we forgot the WIM chart placing: [orange]1[/orange] World in motion 9th & 16th June 1990:D

CuanaD wrote: For the Third single : WFTSC as a double 'A' sided single with TURN

What do you think?

I think that would be most agreeable.It would be even better if Turn were a 4th single,and they each had B sides It wont happen I know

Popbitch is tipping it as top twenty

CuanaD wrote:

Spotnick wrote: BBC RADIO 2 A LIST

K T Tunstall - Other Side Of The World James Blunt - You're Beautiful Keith Urban - Days Go By Coldplay- Speed of Sound The Coral- In The Morning Tears For Fears- Everybody Loves A Happy Ending /Call Me Mellow Rob Thomas - Lonely No More Cliff Richard- What Car Stevie Wonder - So What The Fuss New Order - Jetstream

Am I right in saying that Krafty only got onto the C list?

Also, we forgot the WIM chart placing: [orange]1[/orange] World in motion 9th & 16th June 1990:D

that's exactly the point. does any in this forum, really thinks World In Motion is the best NO wrote in their lives??!?!

i'm not gonna lie to you, i'm happy if a song i like do well in the charts, but never question the quality if it bombs.

CuanaD wrote: For the Third single : WFTSC as a double 'A' sided single with TURN What do you think?

*If the album hadn't already been released it could have been an idea, but not at this point... WFTSC with a B side or some live tracks (they have thousands for fuckssake, why do they always have to fill the single with remixes when they can sell more with live tracks?) could do well...

Slippy wrote: WFTSC Pete Heller Dub :

How about this for the three offical formats?

Two-track CD1

1. WFTSC (obligatory radio edit)
2. WFTSC (Chris Martin Mix)

Enhanced Maxi-CD2

1. WFTSC (Original Album Mix)
2. WFTSC (Sly'n'Robbie Bum Mix)
3. WFTSC (Sly'n'Robbie Tit Mix)
4. WFTSC (Liberty X Mix)
5. WFTSC (50 Cent Exxx-It Mix)
6. WFTSC (video)

Four track 12" vinyl

A1. WFTSC (The Bravery Mix) A2. WFTSC (50 Cent Push-It Mix) B1. WFTSC (Liberty X Stranger Mix) B2. WFTSC (Bernard Manning Hoo Har Mix)

Plus, of course, a special Promo White label DJ 12" vinyl double pack

A1. WFTSC (Liberty X Stranger Dub) A2. WFTSC (Bernard Manning Hoo Har Mix) B1. WFTSC (Sly'n'Robbie Cleavage Mix) B2. WFTSC (Martin Hannett From Beyond The Gravy Mix)

C1. WFTSC (Gary Jules Acoustic Cloth Cap Mix) C2. WFTSC (50 Cent Shove-It Mix) D1. WFTSC (Kasabian Full Charge Dub) D2. WFTSC (Kasabian Full Charge Stadium Mix)

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:

Slippy wrote: WFTSC Pete Heller Dub :

How about this for the three offical formats?

Two-track CD1

1. WFTSC (obligatory radio edit)
2. WFTSC (Chris Martin Mix)

Enhanced Maxi-CD2

1. WFTSC (Original Album Mix)
2. WFTSC (Sly'n'Robbie Bum Mix)
3. WFTSC (Sly'n'Robbie Tit Mix)
4. WFTSC (Liberty X Mix)
5. WFTSC (50 Cent Exxx-It Mix)
6. WFTSC (video)

Four track 12" vinyl

A1. WFTSC (The Bravery Mix) A2. WFTSC (50 Cent Push-It Mix) B1. WFTSC (Liberty X Stranger Mix) B2. WFTSC (Bernard Manning Hoo Har Mix)

Plus, of course, a special Promo White label DJ 12" vinyl double pack

A1. WFTSC (Liberty X Stranger Dub) A2. WFTSC (Bernard Manning Hoo Har Mix) B1. WFTSC (Sly'n'Robbie Cleavage Mix) B2. WFTSC (Martin Hannett From Beyond The Gravy Mix)

C1. WFTSC (Gary Jules Acoustic Cloth Cap Mix) C2. WFTSC (50 Cent Shove-It Mix) D1. WFTSC (Kasabian Full Charge Dub) D2. WFTSC (Kasabian Full Charge Stadium Mix)

i want the 12"!

Fookin hell I had written a long reply to this message, but got timed out! Nic please do something about this issue because it really pisses people off when all they've written goes lost. I don't always remember to write on a text editor before posting...

Johnny Giles wrote:

Maybe. But saying you're never gonna win any new fans and just appeasing an aging and diminishing fan base is a bit depressing innit?. Not sure if Warners would see that as a winning business case.

*Yeah, right. I wrote a lot about this, but can't be arsed to think it all again. Basically I said that doing what they do best, New Order mantain a hardcore fanbase which is not actually diminishing, but increasing thanks to the fact that many fans of their contemporaries like Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys and The Cure are very disappointed from their latest albums and they may look at New Order. But there was a lot more I had written...

If some of the 'ardcore fans, are gonna be alienated cos of one single, then they aren't that 'ardcore after all.

*I wrote something like the hardcore fans will remain fans but some of them are not buying this single. The real problem is people who may like and buy New Order and they don't. As I said they'd definitely have a problem if people would see the Jetstream video in Italy before the Turin festival, and they better keep it off the set list because I know how stupid indie snobs react to stuff like this...

So I don't buy the stick-to-your-fan-base theory. Prefer them to be brave, even if it means making a few mistakes. I love that about NO.

*I love it too, but it was clear them and the label were expecting much from this single and I'm afraid they'll be disappointed and I hope they don't decide to delete the third single...

The mainstream embracing WiM could have sent a lot of old skool fans packing, did it ? I dunno, but three years later NO delivered their biggest selling studio album.

*World In Motion was a triumph, it was a football anthem, and New Order fans are usually football fans, it was a great tune, and the most of the indie snobs had already run away with previous pop singles, which won a new share of fanbase, while this isn't happening now. The mistake is probably to run after the kids who buy the Scissor Sisters. I love Jetstream and was expecting success too, but maybe it's just people are less open minded than we'd like them to be. That's why Oasis are still number one, they're the safe choice, you'll always know how they sound like... people just wanna be treated like idiots and pleased. I don't think New Order should stop experimenting at all, if you hear I Told You So, that's an experimental track within the classic New Order style... And after all, New Order have been around for 25 years, they can relax now, nobody complains because the Rolling Stones always sound like themselves, Don't Stop was a great tune and they still fill stadiums... WFTSC is a classic New Order song, a great song, it won't disappoint anyone and will sell well. If the singles of the next album are in the same vein without trying to attract the fans of whatever contemporary band with whatever special guest, I just think we can all be happy and there's nothing wrong with it... Yeah, but I wrote many other things...

I too am having this trouble Its a son of a bitch when it happens how long have you got until it times out?

Why can't I scroll below my previous reply on this thread?

I don't even see the message I just posted, nor the reply I received through the subscription... I guess I better forget about this thread...

Alright, found the good old "UNCLOSED INSIDE QUOTE" problem and solved it. Sorry everyone. BTW I don't know how much time you have before timing out, but a pop up window warning you that you were about to be timed out briefly appeared on this forum, and it would be nice to get it back...

That's a strange one - midweek it was reportedly at number 19 and come the weekend it only slipped one place to 20. Thus exceeding my own expectations of where it was going to enter. This makes me wonder who exactly went out and bought it on saturday - some late Scissor Sisters fans perhaps feeling a tad sheepish about admitting they actually like New Order as well?? Things get stranger!

Still a cack song though, isn't it Michael......Michael, where the hell have you disappeared to all of a sudden? Has your mission been accomplished now? Or have you hung yourself cos it actually went top 20 and not stiffed like a dead duck as you so desperately wished for it to?

I have been doing a bit of graft in t mill....And charts- smarts- barney- mcrarts.Jet is a duffer,lets hope we still get that third single,or it will have a lot to answer for...There won't be any,"I told you so"(not an intentional pun)from me.I will be genuinely gutted.... as a bastard rush the next song out

Isn't this on any NO website? So, let's try to make the full thing:

34 Ceremony - Mar 1981 38 Procession / Everything's Gone Green - Oct 1981 12 Blue Monday - Mar 1983 29 Temptation - June 1982 09 Blue Monday (re-entry) - Aug 1983 12 Confusion - Sep 1983 18 Thieves Like Us - Apr 1984 -- Murder - May 1984 46 The Perfect Kiss - May 1985 -- Sub-culture - Nov 1985 28 Shellshock - Mar 1986 30 State Of The Nation - Sep 1986 56 Bizarre Love Triangle - Nov 1986 04 True Faith - Aug 1987 20 Touched By The Hand Of God - Dec 1987 03 Blue Monday-88 - May 1988 11 Fine Time - Dec 1988 21 Round & Round - Mar 1989 01 World In Motion - Jun 1990 04 Regret - Apr 1993 22 Ruined In A Day - Jul 1993 13 World (The Price Of Love) - Sep 1993 22 Spooky - Dec 1993 09 True Faith-94 - Nov 1994 21 Nineteen63 - Jan 1995 17 Blue Monday-95 - Jul 1995 -- True Faith-01 - April 2001 08 Crystal - Aug 2001 29 60 Miles An Hour - Dec 2001 15 Here To Stay - Apr 2002 -- Confusion-02 - Nov 2002 08 Krafty - Mar 2005 19 Jetstream - May 2005

Please help me correcting or filling up the missing ones...

Er.....have you not been paying attention? Jetstream made number 20, not 19 !!!

Subculture made number 63. But still spent FOUR weeks in the top 75 surprisingly enough.

Even the first PEEL SESSIONS release ever (SPF001) was a chart entry for New Order - making number 54 the same week as State Of The Nation - giving them FOUR top 60 chart entries that year - and the only time they ever had TWO separate releases both chart at the same time (looks like many NO fans have forgotten about that one eh???)

RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: Isn't this on any NO website? So, let's try to make the full thing:

34 Ceremony - Mar 1981 38 Procession / Everything's Gone Green - Oct 1981 12 Blue Monday - Mar 1983 29 Temptation - June 1982 09 Blue Monday (re-entry) - Aug 1983 12 Confusion - Sep 1983 18 Thieves Like Us - Apr 1984 -- Murder - May 1984 46 The Perfect Kiss - May 1985 -- Sub-culture - Nov 1985 28 Shellshock - Mar 1986 30 State Of The Nation - Sep 1986 56 Bizarre Love Triangle - Nov 1986 04 True Faith - Aug 1987 20 Touched By The Hand Of God - Dec 1987 03 Blue Monday-88 - May 1988 11 Fine Time - Dec 1988 21 Round & Round - Mar 1989 01 World In Motion - Jun 1990 04 Regret - Apr 1993 22 Ruined In A Day - Jul 1993 13 World (The Price Of Love) - Sep 1993 22 Spooky - Dec 1993 09 True Faith-94 - Nov 1994 21 Nineteen63 - Jan 1995 17 Blue Monday-95 - Jul 1995 -- True Faith-01 - April 2001 08 Crystal - Aug 2001 29 60 Miles An Hour - Dec 2001 15 Here To Stay - Apr 2002 -- Confusion-02 - Nov 2002 08 Krafty - Mar 2005 19 Jetstream - May 2005

Please help me correcting or filling up the missing ones...

Where is Video 586?

Just noticed that Run 2 (number 49) should also be there too - between Round&Round and World In Motion.

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Er.....have you not been paying attention? Jetstream made number 20, not 19 !!!

Oooops, sorry, that's the too optimistic me again!:D

Slippy wrote: Where is Video 586?

Do you seriously consider that one as a proper single release?

And why not? Great single! I remember it entering somewhere near number 7 in the Indie chart, but I don't know about the major chart... Anyway, it was more a true single than Confusion 2002...

So here we go:

34 Ceremony - Mar 1981 38 Procession / Everything's Gone Green - Oct 1981 12 Blue Monday - Mar 1983 29 Temptation - May 1982 03 Blue Monday (re-entry) - Aug 1983 12 Confusion - Sep 1983 18 Thieves Like Us - Apr 1984 -- Murder - May 1984 46 The Perfect Kiss - May 1985 63 Sub-culture - Nov 1985 28 Shellshock - Mar 1986 30 State Of The Nation - Sep 1986 56 Bizarre Love Triangle - Nov 1986 04 True Faith - Aug 1987 20 Touched By The Hand Of God - Dec 1987 03 Blue Monday-88 - May 1988 11 Fine Time - Dec 1988 21 Round & Round - Mar 1989 49 Run 2 - Aug 1989 01 World In Motion - Jun 1990 04 Regret - Apr 1993 22 Ruined In A Day - Jul 1993 13 World (The Price Of Love) - Sep 1993 22 Spooky - Dec 1993 09 True Faith-94 - Nov 1994 21 Nineteen63 - Jan 1995 17 Blue Monday-95 - Jul 1995 -- Video 586 - Jul 1997 -- True Faith-01 - Apr 2001 08 Crystal - Aug 2001 29 60 Miles An Hour - Dec 2001 15 Here To Stay - Apr 2002 64 Confusion-02 - Nov 2002 08 Krafty - Mar 2005 20 Jetstream - May 2005

(I've just checked some of this info on http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23997)

And mind you: J-E-T got the higher position for a 2nd single of a NO album! 63 Sub-culture - Nov 1985 21 Round & Round - Mar 1989 22 Ruined In A Day - Jul 1993 29 60 Miles An Hour - Dec 2001 20 Jetstream - May 2005

Very interesting link, Robertao. New Order have still good places in the absolute charts you can find scrolling the page. Anyway at the bottom of the page we learn 7000 copies were enough for Stevie Wonder to reach number 19! So Jetstream has sold around 7000 copies...