Jetstream - Mid week chart position

So it was a complete failure to venture into commercial territory. I've not heard one positive comment about this record from outside of this forum.

Am I misremembering or did Krafty end up somewhat better than it's midweek position?

Patrick wrote: Am I misremembering or did Krafty end up somewhat better than it's midweek position?

I think the general trend is for them to dip as the 'ardcore treck down early.

Johnny Giles wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: So it was a complete failure to venture into commercial territory. I've not heard one positive comment about this record from outside of this forum.

Depends what you class as a complete failure. How often has the 2nd single from a NO album reached the UK top 20 ? Looking back.....

60 mph : #29 World : Dunno. Anyone ?
R&R : #22 Subculture : Didn't break the top 40.

Even the much lauded Technique didn't spawn a 2nd top 20 hit. Brotherhood didn't have a 2nd single released from it - SoTN wasn't included on the British version of the album and didn't make the top 20 anyway, or even the top 40. The singles from the PC&L and Movement sessions were excluded from the albums of course.

The main reason for a single release [99% of the time] is to promote the album it's taken from, so to work out how successful Jetstream is will depend on its impact on WFTSC sales. Its maybe too early to tell at this stage. If Ana's involvement encourages a decent number of a wider/younger audience to buy WFTSC then that would be job done. They've certainly attracted a fair amount of media interest in the UK from Ana's involvement, I don't recall them normally getting this amount of TV exposure for the 2nd single release.

It's likely that Jetstream will chart lower than 19 as NOs hardcore fan base often buys their releases on the first couple of days of release so the Wednesday chart position could be slightly inflated.

How we're you seeing this as a complete failure Hank ?

As you say they've piled on the publicity and it's still bombed, all I can see it having done is to bring wide exposure to probably their worst ever single. I've read and heard quite a few negative comments on it, from casual observers, so I'd presume they've probably missed an opportunity to market the album.

When you consider how few sales a decent chart position requires in this day and age and that New Order retain a fairly large, loyal fan base, it must represent almost no inroads into any other market.

They should have released Guilt! Just listende to the MacQuayle vocal, and it's a cracker!

World Price Of Love went top 20 didn't it? I know Ruined In A Day was the second single off Republic (oh boy, those staggering influential Sly and Robbie mixes - slurp slurp!!!) and in typical form it didn't make the top 20. As a general rule, don't subsequent New Order singles do less well in the order they are released? (Both "Low Life" singles bombed cos they were already on the album weren;t they?) If that is the case then the title track will probably be a flop when it comes out won't it?

I'd say that #19 is being optimistic. I know the single will be lucky to stay top 25 at this rate. It's 60MPH all over again I'm afraid. Serves them right for realeasing such a fooking duff track as the second 45 then doesn't it?

And I'm fully happy and vindicated cos my ENTIRE Bunnymen collection is now safe from the jaws of E-Bay. :)

Arrgghhh!!!

Why are people getting so hung up on this? You like it/love it - you sing along to it; you loathe it/despise it - you move on. This is just getting silly...

Spotnick wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: I'd say that #19 is being optimistic. I know the single will be lucky to stay top 25 at this rate. It's 60MPH all over again I'm afraid. Serves them right for realeasing such a fooking duff track as the second 45 then doesn't it?

And I'm fully happy and vindicated cos my ENTIRE Bunnymen collection is now safe from the jaws of E-Bay. :)

But 60 MAH had no attract for the Scissor Sisters fan base, so this is why I'm surprised.

Gee, I just hope this won't stop them from releasing WFTSC...

Well doesn't that just prove one thing? That if New Order (or their record company) really think that all they can do to score some cred points with the kids is to get one of the bloody Scissor Sisters to duet with them on their single then they are grossly mistaken aren't they? I can just see their record company before the album launch saying that "Oh wow.....This Jetstream song will definitely win New Order a new audience when they release it as a single...." - how naive and stupid can one get?

If they released a single with Franz fooking Ferdinand or The Bravery I still doubt it would automatically guarantee top 20/top 10 status. Just cos there's a Scissor Sister on it doesn't mean it's going to sell loads does it? Fans aren't that gullible! What a desperately cynical ploy to try and shift units. I'm glad that this sorry exercise proves once and for all that no matter how much you dress up a turd, it bloody well remains a turd. It deserves to flop spectacularly! 28 with a bullet on Sunday - and then right out of the 60! :D

Why do my posts sometimes not come up!! There is no way I am typing all that again even tho it was the best point I ever made.

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:

Spotnick wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: I'd say that #19 is being optimistic. I know the single will be lucky to stay top 25 at this rate. It's 60MPH all over again I'm afraid. Serves them right for realeasing such a fooking duff track as the second 45 then doesn't it?

And I'm fully happy and vindicated cos my ENTIRE Bunnymen collection is now safe from the jaws of E-Bay. :)

But 60 MAH had no attract for the Scissor Sisters fan base, so this is why I'm surprised.

Gee, I just hope this won't stop them from releasing WFTSC...

Well doesn't that just prove one thing? That if New Order (or their record company) really think that all they can do to score some cred points with the kids is to get one of the bloody Scissor Sisters to duet with them on their single then they are grossly mistaken aren't they? I can just see their record company before the album launch saying that "Oh wow.....This Jetstream song will definitely win New Order a new audience when they release it as a single...." - how naive and stupid can one get?

If they released a single with Franz fooking Ferdinand or The Bravery I still doubt it would automatically guarantee top 20/top 10 status. Just cos there's a Scissor Sister on it doesn't mean it's going to sell loads does it? Fans aren't that gullible! What a desperately cynical ploy to try and shift units. I'm glad that this sorry exercise proves once and for all that no matter how much you dress up a turd, it bloody well remains a turd. It deserves to flop spectacularly! 28 with a bullet on Sunday - and then right out of the 60! :D

Too right ............But if this prevents the third single coming out it will be a tradjedy..People should hear this next single,and you can rest easy with your Bunnymen stash ,unless the Sissor sister bad choons fans, become a player, and J-E-T charts at number 7 ...Then to paraphrase Mr Mculloch"Don't let it get you down"great song,good band...be a sickner to loose that over the turdy Jetsream

No matter what though the plan went wrong, thinking that it would chart higher cause of the scissor sister fans, when it reality it charted much worse than Krafty. A mistake, but people arn't really bothered if this charts low, cause a lot of their stuff from the past has.

I'm really happy now though after hearing about the next album on XFM, let's see if NO go back to their old style or go nutty on guitars, most probably more the same of WFTSC, at least we'll have another year of NO next year though

Yes but have you seen the other new entries??! 01 (NE) Oasis - Lyla (they're still huge, it seems) 03 (NE) Black Eyed Peas - Don't Phunk With My Heart (sorry but this stuff is very popular nowadays) 06 (NE) Kaiser Chiefs - Everyday I Love You Less & Less (they've found the new Parklife Blur, and it's not meant as a compliment) 07 (NE) Jennifer Lopez ft. Fat Joe - Hold You Down (hugely popular, this place is almost a disappointment for her) 08 (NE) Max Graham vs Yes - Owner Of A Lonely Heart (still a timeless hit) I mean, with this competition, it would have been hard for everyone... Krafty was much luckier, and it was the comeback single... also some people might have been disappointed by Krafty, probably not strong enough for the indie kids, and especially by the lack of B sides. Still, it's a disappontment, because Jetstream is a great pop song and I can't understand how it can't be Top 10... if Madonna made such a song she'd have been number one. The same should be said for 60 Miles An Hour, a great commercial guitar pop single, if released by a young band it would have worked. This can mean only one thing: New Order have a huge fanbase, but every time they try to conquer other fans by venturing into areas which are not properly of their own they lose a fair share of that fanbase. Actually I thought the strategy of winning new fans for a band of fiftysomethings was wrong, because what can happen is they don't win any and then lose some of theirs, and that's what happened. If New Order released a single like Crystal it would have sold better because all the New Order fans would have bought it, and then some of those who usually are Joy Division - only fans, and fans of other new wave bands like The Smiths and Depeche Mode... alright, so you don't sell to the kids who're buying Bloc Party, but who fookin cares when you can sell to the old farts who're still buying The Cure?! In this perspective, if they can't release the title track as a single, that would really be a tragedy, because that's a New Order classic and I think it'd sell better. So maybe I was wrong when I thought Turn would have been a hit in America, the truth is New Order must stick to what they do better and what pleases most their fanbase, though they don't have to stick to the same formula, maybe the time for the experiments is over.

Mick Aneworderfan wrote: Yes but have you seen the other new entries??! 01 (NE) Oasis - Lyla (they're still huge, it seems) 03 (NE) Black Eyed Peas - Don't Phunk With My Heart (sorry but this stuff is very popular nowadays) 06 (NE) Kaiser Chiefs - Everyday I Love You Less & Less (they've found the new Parklife Blur, and it's not meant as a compliment) 07 (NE) Jennifer Lopez ft. Fat Joe - Hold You Down (hugely popular, this place is almost a disappointment for her) 08 (NE) Max Graham vs Yes - Owner Of A Lonely Heart (still a timeless hit) I mean, with this competition, it would have been hard for everyone... Krafty was much luckier, and it was the comeback single... also some people might have been disappointed by Krafty, probably not strong enough for the indie kids, and especially by the lack of B sides. Still, it's a disappontment, because Jetstream is a great pop song and I can't understand how it can't be Top 10... if Madonna made such a song she'd have been number one. The same should be said for 60 Miles An Hour, a great commercial guitar pop single, if released by a young band it would have worked. This can mean only one thing: New Order have a huge fanbase, but every time they try to conquer other fans by venturing into areas which are not properly of their own they lose a fair share of that fanbase. Actually I thought the strategy of winning new fans for a band of fiftysomethings was wrong, because what can happen is they don't win any and then lose some of theirs, and that's what happened. If New Order released a single like Crystal it would have sold better because all the New Order fans would have bought it, and then some of those who usually are Joy Division - only fans, and fans of other new wave bands like The Smiths and Depeche Mode... alright, so you don't sell to the kids who're buying Bloc Party, but who fookin cares when you can sell to the old farts who're still buying The Cure?! In this perspective, if they can't release the title track as a single, that would really be a tragedy, because that's a New Order classic and I think it'd sell better. So maybe I was wrong when I thought Turn would have been a hit in America, the truth is New Order must stick to what they do better and what pleases most their fanbase, though they don't have to stick to the same formula, maybe the time for the experiments is over.

Fantastic I agree with a hell of a chunk of that mate

Adam R wrote: No matter what though the plan went wrong, thinking that it would chart higher cause of the scissor sister fans, when it reality it charted much worse than Krafty. A mistake, but people arn't really bothered if this charts low, cause a lot of their stuff from the past has.

I'm really happy now though after hearing about the next album on XFM, let's see if NO go back to their old style or go nutty on guitars, most probably more the same of WFTSC, at least we'll have another year of NO next year though

Yes,and fingers crossed the next album will have great pop with no Jetstream pap

Wow, Michael. 209 posts detesting Jetstream. What an accomplishment.

Ahh, Im branching out a little With it being the new single and all, its bound to be a popular topic for debate, I would of thought Oh and I think it sucks by the way Are you Partial to a bit of the old J-E-T?

I'm just figuring New Order staring at the floor in the office of the Warners boss while he shouts: "Soooo - we spent quite a lot on promotion, you won't complain this time... and what - are - the - results??! Eh? It's us complaining now... you better fuck off back to an indie label!" ;)

Still, the album sales aren't bad, are they? Also, Jetstream had a crap video, that didn't help... Please, release the title track as a single, possibly with a B side (I know they're keeping it for the next album's fillers, but you've just seen how people care about remixes)... it'll do better!

The next single is set up for a proper B side you would think.I don't see how they can Remix this one and still keep it a lush song.Tho you could'nt be sure;) expansion on the bassline thro out the song ,would be something hooky would revel in.In the way he does when they play regret live Would be nice to have a B side if they don't wanna fuck with the A side

Who really cares where it charts? The teeny boppers normally buy there music on Saturdays (pocket money/off school) and this song is very pop oriented.

WFTSC Pete Heller Dub :

Ruined in a day wrote: They should have released Guilt! Just listende to the MacQuayle vocal, and it's a cracker!

We did and it's a pile of poo. However, they should release Guilt most definitely. :) The album version rocks. Well. Dances.

Top 20 isn't bad really. They'd probably like it to have been top 10, but it's still not a complete failure.

World made 12 I think. Bear in mind though that this was when NO were at their most popular and with a no#1 album (despite it being a bit crap) to promote.

Listening to the Mixes as much as I have, I'm convinced they should have used either the Baker or Richard X mix as the single, and probably had it on the album as well instead of the original.