Phils Guitar Wankery Pisses Me Off

So, while I really miss Gillian being in New Order, I am not gonna bitch about it, she has kids and what not..

But I really wish that when replacing her, New Order had found someone who was electronically savvy and into playing keyboards as she was (well, she was at least into playing the synth, dont know how savvy she was).

I say this because when Gillian was in the group, most of the synth parts were played LIVE. Yes, there was a lot of sequencing, but all of the main melodies were played live by Gillian.

Thats what makes New Order awesome, they way they combined technology and electronics, they way the mixed live drumming, sequencers, guitar, and live synth playing together to create an unmatchable mix.

New Orders use of electronics in a live setting, along with Hookys bass, Steve's drumming ect, is a huge part of what makes them awesome.

So why does Phil piss me off?

Because since he has joined the band, New Order have put a lot of many keybaord melodies and tracks onto the BACKING TRACK so Phil, instead of playing the synth parts he should be playing live, can wank all over the place with his tuneless guitar.

When I saw New order in chicago, I was rally annoyed to see that most of the synth melodies on "Krafty", WFTSC, and Jetstream were on the backing track.

Phils guitar doesnt add much to the group. Instead of playing synth on Regret, he plays the parts on guitar, and it takes away a lot fo the melody.

Matter of fact, in 2001, Close Range and 60 MPH both sounded awful because instead of playing melodies ont he synth, Phil was playing his loud atonal guitar that destroed the melodies of those songs and made them sound like an ordinary rock bands.

Also, in Gillians day, they synth parts were never mimed in concert, she always played them live....

But after watching NO play Krafty and Jetstream on TV, the live performances on Kimmel and Canal, I am pretty sure that Phil mimed his synth parts, and that really pisses me off.

because in the day, those parts would have been played live.

And on stage, it annoys me that Phil pushes his Roland synth off to the side of the stage and barely touches it (except during older songs). because that Roland XP 80 is very much a symbol of how New Order made thier sound, a powerful electronic meoldy combined with traditional instruments.

As weird as this sounds, I actually enjoyed watching Gillian play those synth parts. I liked knowing that the keybaord was an important part of the band. I like watching her play as much as I liekd watching Hooky play bass or Steve drum.

So it really irritates me that Phil is more interested in his useless guitar wankery than playing the synth on most songs, especially that in most New Order songs, its the Synth what carries the main melodies (with Hookys bass). I wanna hear those electro melodies played LIVE, not on a damned backing track.

Thats right, I wanna see Phil play synth more, with the synth facing the crowd directly, as it should.

What do you guys think? And does Phil mime his synth parts on the live versions of the WFTSC songs?

Sorry this rambles, I am a bit drunk.

Zachery

Great post!...you will get flamed by the purests on the board for complaining, because Neworder fans are not allowed to complain.

I agree...I think that the inclusion of Phil into the band has meant that their sound has taken a different direction; less synths and more rock-ish guitar playing. Disappointing. I wonder if Gillian will ever come back. I did feel like we were missing out on a little at the Chicago show. I felt like we got 3/4ths of the band.

Yeah, why would Phil "mime" the parts on the synth? Can he not play simple notes or chords on the keyboard?? Weird, I noticed that as well..you can notice that the keys he presses for "Jetstream" are not in sync with what you are hearing...oh well...

Bring Gillian back!!!!!!

Yes! Exactly!

I fet like we were missing something at the Chicago show as well.

I mean, Phils energy onstage is grteat...

But why cant he play the keybaord more, like he is supposed to.

Dotn forget, its the electronic aspect of NO, along with Stve and Hooky, that make them unique.

Yeah, was phil miming the synth parts for Krafty and Jestream? if so, thats fucking lame.

Oh yeah. John Lydon is super. May the Road Rise with you.

It seems Phil is pushing NO in a more "ordinary" direction, less dance electro, more guitary and ordinary.

Also, Phils guitar is not cool and distinctive like Barneys is.

Z

Uhm, I really like Phil's guitar, a lot. He plays some great guitar on the album, and live he's fantastic too. I love songs like Hey Now What You Doin... it's almost like having Johnny Marr, I wouldn't complain at all! But yes, New Order should be arsed to get a sessionman playing the keyboards live. Even Monaco had some bloke playing the keyboards (you didn't see Pottsy pressing a few buttons every minute or so to start backing tracks, you saw a keyboardist who just played the keyboards and that was it). So why can't New Order have a keyboardist too?

what you are saying is Phil Cunningham is a complete fraud A complete useless berk,musically.Is he mostly there just to be bummed?Are you sure Ringos lad?Because if this is true,even a new order "blind as a bat" fan will see that this is BANG OUT OF ORDER.We are gunna take a kicking on JET,and lose potential fans of the band,but this is blatent fraud,please noIf your right Zach we are all being SHIT UPON AT THE SHOWS THIS SUMMER I pray you have this wrong.Its a nightmare sell out if you are correct on this. I would'nt have thought new order let him in for his boatrace,cos thats no brad pitt lookalike.His guitar work must be flawless,and leaves barney more free with his vocals.But that is no excuse for lying to us in this way,if he really does fake that is

He pretends to play the keyboard during live Gigs? are you sure?its ok for TV.But did he do this over in America?

michael brown wrote: what you are saying is Phil Cunningham is a complete fraud A complete useless berk,musically.Is he mostly there just to be bummed?Are you sure Ringos lad?Because if this is true,even a new order "blind as a bat" fan will see that this is BANG OUT OF ORDER.We are gunna take a kicking on JET,and lose potential fans of the band,but this is blatent fraud,please noIf your right Zach we are all being SHIT UPON AT THE SHOWS THIS SUMMER I pray you have this wrong.Its a nightmare sell out if you are correct on this. I would'nt have thought new order let him in for his boatrace,cos thats no brad pitt lookalike.His guitar work must be flawless,and leaves barney more free with his vocals.But that is no excuse for lying to us in this way,if he really does fake that is

Moderator, can you ban this utterly disgusting figure?

Yep , you cant beat the classic New Order line up ,The day Gillian decided she had to quit was a sad day.I think ive had enough of Phil.Decent bloke im sure but New Orders unique stage presence isn`t the same without Gillian.How could it ever be.

Stockholm Monster wrote: Yep , you cant beat the classic New Order line up ,The day Gillian decided she had to quit was a sad day.I think ive had enough of Phil.Decent bloke im sure but New Orders unique stage presence isn`t the same without Gillian.How could it ever be.

Come on, when Gillian was in the band she could do nothing good by the fans. And now it is: Gillian, please come back!!

I've no problem with Phil - I like his guitar work & the rifs he had added. But I would like more live keyboards - so lets get Gillian back & keep Phil too;

Then perhaps with the addition of a few more session people (& Pottsy to help with the vocals) we might get a decent gig

runwild 1 wrote:

michael brown wrote: what you are saying is Phil Cunningham is a complete fraud A complete useless berk,musically.Is he mostly there just to be bummed?Are you sure Ringos lad?Because if this is true,even a new order "blind as a bat" fan will see that this is BANG OUT OF ORDER.We are gunna take a kicking on JET,and lose potential fans of the band,but this is blatent fraud,please noIf your right Zach we are all being SHIT UPON AT THE SHOWS THIS SUMMER I pray you have this wrong.Its a nightmare sell out if you are correct on this. I would'nt have thought new order let him in for his boatrace,cos thats no brad pitt lookalike.His guitar work must be flawless,and leaves barney more free with his vocals.But that is no excuse for lying to us in this way,if he really does fake that is

Can

Moderator, can you ban this utterly disgusting figure?

Can i not say anything?I am saying how I feel on this matter.Ok so the bumming was a daft joke As of a way of saying if he does'nt play, What does he do?You are so uptight,and have got me wrong,my humour may blur things sometimes.I personally think until proven otherwise that Phil brings something to the band,I always thought he has and have said so.Why are YOU offended? I mean you no ill at all.I thought this place was about lively debate,and your calling "ban this disgusting figure" Jeeeez!Are you Phil cunningham or something?...Or is this because I don't like J-E-T:dead: ,you do, and you want me gone.There are loads of JEThaters in here.Are you going to call for a ban on them all????

You know, you're a real 'up' person.

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

If you don't like what the band is doing, just fuck off and listen to something else. No one's asking any of you to be bigger fans than anyone else, and I could hardly care less if New Order "loses" fans because of the direction they've taken lately. They still make great music and put on a great live show, so I'm not complaining in the big picture. Here to Stay.

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

BIGINOIL wrote:

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

Oh No it wasn't:D

Rocket Mick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

Oh No it wasn't:D

It's behind you, Rocket!

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: If you don't like what the band is doing, just fuck off and listen to something else. No one's asking any of you to be bigger fans than anyone else, and I could hardly care less if New Order "loses" fans because of the direction they've taken lately. They still make great music and put on a great live show, so I'm not complaining in the big picture. Here to Stay.

I like it,You have been trying to get a rise out of me for a while have'nt you?and I know the band make great music I sensed you were a prickly character with a sharp mind,I was right you and a bunch of others.But we differ????

because you dont give a fuck what the band do,i do give a fuck

I would love them to go on for ever,and this single is not going to get any realistic fans.But you don't give a rats anyway so conversasion over pontiff exploding boatrace..

BIGINOIL wrote:

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

...... cheers for the rules does everyone who loathes a song and says it get this mullered off the locals?

Rocket Mick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

Oh No it wasn't:D

It was such a shit crack, completely crackless when i was just reading in here and posting infrequantly,that I popped down crack converters and got £50 crack back to to inject in to the forum.If you are not UK you wont get that.you can think im mental if it gets too much no harm done......and it was very good crack when I just read in here,and posted infrequently,in case anyone thinks I was serious

Where are my jetstream hater allies now tho,Eh?no matter

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

They named him after Lennon and Mcartney you know:D

runwild 1 wrote:

michael brown wrote: what you are saying is Phil Cunningham is a complete fraud A complete useless berk,musically.Is he mostly there just to be bummed?Are you sure Ringos lad?Because if this is true,even a new order "blind as a bat" fan will see that this is BANG OUT OF ORDER.We are gunna take a kicking on JET,and lose potential fans of the band,but this is blatent fraud,please noIf your right Zach we are all being SHIT UPON AT THE SHOWS THIS SUMMER I pray you have this wrong.Its a nightmare sell out if you are correct on this. I would'nt have thought new order let him in for his boatrace,cos thats no brad pitt lookalike.His guitar work must be flawless,and leaves barney more free with his vocals.But that is no excuse for lying to us in this way,if he really does fake that is

Moderator, can you ban this utterly disgusting figure?

What is up with banning? I actually dig this guy, brings a smile to my face everytime I log on... the more characters here at nool, the better. I hate to see anyone leave (like aj wells) and I hate to see anyone get banned... silly...

not very factory records to be advocating censorship etc...

Censorship only prevails where there is sufficient fear to warrant imposing it.Censorship sucks IMO..Who digs on censorhip out of all the touchy son of a guns in here?Any one for a poll?

I mean no offence,and am Being childish sometimes,with dumb comments.you don't have to agree,and I have not attacked any members what so ever,But I also stand by the things I say outside of the jokes,as is anyones right to have an opinion.I have done nothing to you,so can we get on with the rest of our lives?shake on it or

Dont let aj wells cloud your thoughts,I am not he.I am a reasonable rational human being,and a bit of a cheeky c^nt Thats all I am Goodnight people an god bless

Not that a j wells is'nt......I dont even know the guy.Night night

This is such an "American" thread. It's stuff like this that makes me glad the band never visit the site. Over analytical and hugely embarassing to even read never mind contribute to. Hey Spotnick, how can I post under an alias?

i've lost track of whats actually being bitched about

pumped full of drugs wrote: i've lost track of whats actually being bitched about someone is bitching about me mate.not to worry tho.

eeh...returning to subject ;) ...I would also like to see (& hear!) more synthlines in NO these days and I don't think Phil could play them the way we want to anyway so he better stick to the guitar (we all know Barney's doing all synthlines in the studio, engineered by good ol' pals, so Phil's not into that at all).

And I do also miss Gillian, even though she did not ever write that much of the synth arrangements (but some) but the way she played them, stylistically, was very good for the band's sound (sometimes a bit sloppy and sometimes very energetic...dynamically brilliant and not as pedantic as Barney probably intended them to be...could that be the reason it's not as crisp on the new album?).

I don't mind the synths to be sequenced live so much, just do it good and make them cut through in the mix. And for God's sake, let Phil do what he does best (guitars that is IMO)!

Just thinking about it now, they could actually bring in Stuart Price on keys for a couple of shows, just doing some basic stuff (not sure if he's that good of a keyboard player or if it's mostly programming with him, though)...at least for J E T and Guilt...that might work.

What me pisses of and makes me extremely nervous is his (Phil) fidgetlike seems-to-be-hyperactive playing style. Looks always as if he wants to slice cucumbers on his guitar. Perhaps he thinks it looks cool...

I'm judging from the TV performances (especially the one from Canal+), I never saw them live myself (that for my defence )...;)

Who cares, the band has got to move forward. Phil is as good as anybody, at least hes from the 'north of england' Regarding synth playing, these days it doesnt require anybody to stand there looking cool. Have a look at Kraftwerk, I doubt whether they even turn up for the gig

I described his guitar play...

I saw Kraftwerk live last year... The singer moved his foot in step with the music. And he actually moved his body. (Ms. Sarcasm will not mention now that he didn't do the surfboard and didn't run on spot)...

Tarbox23 wrote:

runwild 1 wrote:

michael brown wrote: what you are saying is Phil Cunningham is a complete fraud A complete useless berk,musically.Is he mostly there just to be bummed?Are you sure Ringos lad?Because if this is true,even a new order "blind as a bat" fan will see that this is BANG OUT OF ORDER.We are gunna take a kicking on JET,and lose potential fans of the band,but this is blatent fraud,please noIf your right Zach we are all being SHIT UPON AT THE SHOWS THIS SUMMER I pray you have this wrong.Its a nightmare sell out if you are correct on this. I would'nt have thought new order let him in for his boatrace,cos thats no brad pitt lookalike.His guitar work must be flawless,and leaves barney more free with his vocals.But that is no excuse for lying to us in this way,if he really does fake that is

Moderator, can you ban this utterly disgusting figure?

What is up with banning? I actually dig this guy, brings a smile to my face everytime I log on... the more characters here at nool, the better. I hate to see anyone leave (like aj wells) and I hate to see anyone get banned... silly...

not very factory records to be advocating censorship etc...

Thanks Tarbox.You are a calm voice in a mass of hytserical outcry...Even tho you may not agree with anything I post,I don't know you defended my right to say it.cheers man.

I'd be curious to hear a response to these issues directly from the band...particularly why they CHOOSE to not 'adequately' replace thier former keyboardist for the live shows...

it just seems really odd to me that a band with the level of integrity chooses to use so much prerecorded stuff when performing.

I love this band, and I dont much go to live shows so I dont care THAT much, but nonetheless, I am quite mystified by thier choices.

Just like thier decision to include such light material as Jetstream and Guilt; it's good stuff but has none of the 'dark edges' that we get used to having with this band. Im not complaing, I'm enjoying the music either way....I just wonder why they make these choices....I refuse to believe that thier creativity and integrity had already peaked before this year's output.

Phil is in the band not because anyone in the site asked for. What would make one think they would kick him just for complaining about here?

I'm tired of this complaining threads. I'll have to create one to complain about this.

BIGINOIL wrote:

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

And your a real "up"town girl then,big Thanks for the rulebook tho, Bigonrules

I completely agree with this. Without Gillian New Order basically suck. I even heard the title track of WFTSC at the bookstore tonight and couldn't help but think what old man wankery it was.

The guys have taken over the band and i guess that means that synthesizers(feminine) are out and guitars(manly) are in.

Running the synths on some tape is disgracefull. Fire the lot of them and replace them with the band from the Crystal video.

matthew doig wrote: I completely agree with this. Without Gillian New Order basically suck. I even heard the title track of WFTSC at the bookstore tonight and couldn't help but think what old man wankery it was.

The guys have taken over the band and i guess that means that synthesizers(feminine) are out and guitars(manly) are in.

Running the synths on some tape is disgracefull. Fire the lot of them and replace them with the band from the Crystal video.

Bit arsh...Maybe Wftsc will grow on you with a proper listen.I think The song is beautifully crafted,new ordery as anything,and not at all any kind of wankery,personally.I love it, in fact its ace:D

Zachery, this is a site for people who like New Order. I suggest you stop moaning and leave us to enjoy the site.

matthew doig wrote: I completely agree with this. Without Gillian New Order basically suck. I even heard the title track of WFTSC at the bookstore tonight and couldn't help but think what old man wankery it was.

The guys have taken over the band and i guess that means that synthesizers(feminine) are out and guitars(manly) are in.

Running the synths on some tape is disgracefull. Fire the lot of them and replace them with the band from the Crystal video.

c'mon... there a bunch of "girlie" songs on the record. "Guilt" and "Jetstream" and "I told you so" and "Dracula's Castle"

... and face it, whether Gilian is in the band or not most of the electronics are going to be preprogrammed, sampled from the records. they (Bernard i assume) wants to sound like the recordings, not like the improve sound of the mid80s... if they let Phil have some fun with his guitar, let him... otherwise it will just sound like Barney karaoke with whoops and rusty vocals

I think backing tracks for most bands are a cop-out, but because NO have always been about incorporating programming with the live mix, I can tolerate it from them. Look, Phil's guitar gives Bernard more room to focus on the vocals. There's nothing wanky about it in the 511 DVD; his 'solos' are by no means flashy.

A question though...

Watching Reading '98 with headphones, it sounds like, and I really hate to say this, that Bernard's got a backing track guitar for 'Regret'. Anyone notice this? It seems like Bernard's a bit self-conscious of the live sound since they've gotten older. They ought not to bother with trying to sound polished live, 'cause when something does go astray, the disparity is that much more obvious.

Guitars were more in the forefront in Joy Division which was great, but I think the songwriting has taken a tumble too. Fair enough to bring Phil along as a replacement, fine again its on guitars not synth, but I was quite shocked to hear he has been helping in the songwriting process. When Gilliam was brought in she was Steves gilrfriend and not really an outsider, I think its ruined the closeness that the band used to have. Still WFTSC and Turn are great songs though.

I don't think anyone should be banned. Total freedom of speech here. However, that doesn't mean I won't let you know if you're getting on my tits by sounding like a broken record player, posting hundreds of times about how much you hate a certain song or thing the band is doing now.

Hiya Pope

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: I don't think anyone should be banned. Total freedom of speech here. However, that doesn't mean I won't let you know if you're getting on my tits by sounding like a broken record player, posting hundreds of times about how much you hate a certain song or thing the band is doing now.

BAN THIS UTTERLY DISGUSTING GRENADE EATING VOLCANO CRANIUM MUTHAFUKA NAH....all this talk of banning is a little Knee jerk.:D you can't beat a bit of a row,there are one or two anal crackless nazi shmucks around after all. who are square as a fuckin Rubix cube :D

More evidence that Phim mimes his keyboards on the new songs....

I just wathed the J Ross performance of JetStream.

Suddenly, all of those synth parts he played at the Chicago show are magically playing themselves, since Phil is not playing his keybaord on stage at Ross.

I mean, why cant he just play the fucking synth parts on Jetstream live? His guitar doesnt add anything to the song at all, except to take away the melody....

I really miss Gillian and think the band will never be the same without her. But I am happy that the band went on and are still making the best music for my ears in this planet IMHO. So if they enjoyed having Phil as a guitarist (he is nothing more than this), OK! I don't really think they needed to make him a full member of NO, but it was their decision, we have to respect that. But hell, more than having another guitarist they do need a KEYBOARDIST, at least for live performances. No more "full-time" NO member strictly, but someone that really can play the synths. Are we asking too much?

After seeing Alejo playing Vanishing Point Live (Nemesis) I say: bring this man on! :D

RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: I really miss Gillian and think the band will never be the same without her. But I am happy that the band went on and are still making the best music for my ears in this planet IMHO. So if they enjoyed having Phil as a guitarist (he is nothing more than this), OK! I don't really think they needed to make him a full member of NO, but it was their decision, we have to respect that. But hell, more than having another guitarist they do need a KEYBOARDIST, at least for live performances. No more "full-time" NO member strictly, but someone that really can play the synths. Are we asking too much?

Course its, we dont want faked up stuff,do we?.We can listen to records at home,give us a performance to remember If Gillian won't do it:( they should get a session bloke in who knows the score and Phil,and Mani,and Marr,and Rourke......If they want as long as its live I don't give a Rats arse who's stage guest......Oh ye it will be the lass out of that stupid pink floyd ripp off outfit:dead:

RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: I really miss Gillian and think the band will never be the same without her. But I am happy that the band went on and are still making the best music for my ears in this planet IMHO. So if they enjoyed having Phil as a guitarist (he is nothing more than this), OK! I don't really think they needed to make him a full member of NO, but it was their decision, we have to respect that. But hell, more than having another guitarist they do need a KEYBOARDIST, at least for live performances. No more "full-time" NO member strictly, but someone that really can play the synths. Are we asking too much?

Course its not asking a lot, we dont want faked up stuff,do we?.We can listen to records at home,give us a performance to remember If Gillian won't do it:( they should get a session bloke in who knows the score and Phil,and Mani,and Marr,and Rourke......If they want as long as its live I don't give a Rats arse who's stage guest......Oh ye it will be the lass out of that stupid pink floyd ripp off outfit:dead:

RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: I really miss Gillian and think the band will never be the same without her. But I am happy that the band went on and are still making the best music for my ears in this planet IMHO. So if they enjoyed having Phil as a guitarist (he is nothing more than this), OK! I don't really think they needed to make him a full member of NO, but it was their decision, we have to respect that. But hell, more than having another guitarist they do need a KEYBOARDIST, at least for live performances. No more "full-time" NO member strictly, but someone that really can play the synths. Are we asking too much?

Course its not asking a lot, we dont want faked up stuff,do we?.We can listen to records at home,give us a performance to remember If Gillian won't do it:( they should get a session bloke in who knows the score and Phil,and Mani,and Marr,and Rourke......If they want as long as its live I don't give a Rats arse who's stage guest......Oh ye it will be the lass out of that stupid pink floyd ripp off outfit:dead: .......is the server down the site is working sloooooooowly,or is it my connection I dont know.Everthing is taking ages:(

RøbertãoTøldYøuSø wrote: I really miss Gillian and think the band will never be the same without her. But I am happy that the band went on and are still making the best music for my ears in this planet IMHO. So if they enjoyed having Phil as a guitarist (he is nothing more than this), OK! I don't really think they needed to make him a full member of NO, but it was their decision, we have to respect that. But hell, more than having another guitarist they do need a KEYBOARDIST, at least for live performances. No more "full-time" NO member strictly, but someone that really can play the synths. Are we asking too much?

Course its not asking a lot, we dont want faked up stuff,do we?.We can listen to records at home,give us a performance to remember If Gillian won't do it:( they should get a session bloke in who knows the score and Phil,and Mani,and Marr,and Rourke......If they want as long as its live I don't give a Rats arse who's stage guest......Oh ye it will be the lass out of that stupid pink floyd ripp off outfit:dead: .......is the server down the site is working sloooooooowly,or is it my connection I dont know.Everthing is taking ages:(

Brownie is doing his best to shake his reputation as the most repetitive poster in the history of chat sites, I see!

fact1. in 511 Live at Finsbury Park dvd there is a part (i think during BLT) where Barney says to Phil - Phil i love you - . fact2. in the same dvd Hooky makes fun to Phil - actually he touches his ass -. fact3. at the same dvd several times Hooky is playing near to Phil. I think that the band enjoys to play with him on stage. When Hooky was in Thessaloniki-Greece for his dj set i asked him about Phil and his said to me that they need him for the live sets and for some parts of the recordings. I'm still waiting for the 2nd of July (Traffic Festival Turin-Italy the closest live date to Greece) to have an original clue for what all you people arguing for. I wish Gillian to follow the rest of the group but we have to ask her if she want to or if she can do it!?!? I wish to know that! But after all why we bother so? We 've got a new album from our beloved band! Lets enjoy it! PLEASEEEEE??!!! I wish all members of the band to be allright, to be all together, to be healthy, happy, with lot of inspirarion for many many many more albums!!!!!!!! I LOVE THEM ALL !!! take care all and please enjoy it!!! its summer time!

Fuck knows why it posted that many times,soz chaps the site was veeeery slow,i must have bashed too many buttons