Phils Guitar Wankery Pisses Me Off

So, while I really miss Gillian being in New Order, I am not gonna bitch about it, she has kids and what not..

But I really wish that when replacing her, New Order had found someone who was electronically savvy and into playing keyboards as she was (well, she was at least into playing the synth, dont know how savvy she was).

I say this because when Gillian was in the group, most of the synth parts were played LIVE. Yes, there was a lot of sequencing, but all of the main melodies were played live by Gillian.

Thats what makes New Order awesome, they way they combined technology and electronics, they way the mixed live drumming, sequencers, guitar, and live synth playing together to create an unmatchable mix.

New Orders use of electronics in a live setting, along with Hookys bass, Steve's drumming ect, is a huge part of what makes them awesome.

So why does Phil piss me off?

Because since he has joined the band, New Order have put a lot of many keybaord melodies and tracks onto the BACKING TRACK so Phil, instead of playing the synth parts he should be playing live, can wank all over the place with his tuneless guitar.

When I saw New order in chicago, I was rally annoyed to see that most of the synth melodies on "Krafty", WFTSC, and Jetstream were on the backing track.

Phils guitar doesnt add much to the group. Instead of playing synth on Regret, he plays the parts on guitar, and it takes away a lot fo the melody.

Matter of fact, in 2001, Close Range and 60 MPH both sounded awful because instead of playing melodies ont he synth, Phil was playing his loud atonal guitar that destroed the melodies of those songs and made them sound like an ordinary rock bands.

Also, in Gillians day, they synth parts were never mimed in concert, she always played them live....

But after watching NO play Krafty and Jetstream on TV, the live performances on Kimmel and Canal, I am pretty sure that Phil mimed his synth parts, and that really pisses me off.

because in the day, those parts would have been played live.

And on stage, it annoys me that Phil pushes his Roland synth off to the side of the stage and barely touches it (except during older songs). because that Roland XP 80 is very much a symbol of how New Order made thier sound, a powerful electronic meoldy combined with traditional instruments.

As weird as this sounds, I actually enjoyed watching Gillian play those synth parts. I liked knowing that the keybaord was an important part of the band. I like watching her play as much as I liekd watching Hooky play bass or Steve drum.

So it really irritates me that Phil is more interested in his useless guitar wankery than playing the synth on most songs, especially that in most New Order songs, its the Synth what carries the main melodies (with Hookys bass). I wanna hear those electro melodies played LIVE, not on a damned backing track.

Thats right, I wanna see Phil play synth more, with the synth facing the crowd directly, as it should.

What do you guys think? And does Phil mime his synth parts on the live versions of the WFTSC songs?

Sorry this rambles, I am a bit drunk.

Zachery

Great post!...you will get flamed by the purests on the board for complaining, because Neworder fans are not allowed to complain.

I agree...I think that the inclusion of Phil into the band has meant that their sound has taken a different direction; less synths and more rock-ish guitar playing. Disappointing. I wonder if Gillian will ever come back. I did feel like we were missing out on a little at the Chicago show. I felt like we got 3/4ths of the band.

Yeah, why would Phil "mime" the parts on the synth? Can he not play simple notes or chords on the keyboard?? Weird, I noticed that as well..you can notice that the keys he presses for "Jetstream" are not in sync with what you are hearing...oh well...

Bring Gillian back!!!!!!

Yes! Exactly!

I fet like we were missing something at the Chicago show as well.

I mean, Phils energy onstage is grteat...

But why cant he play the keybaord more, like he is supposed to.

Dotn forget, its the electronic aspect of NO, along with Stve and Hooky, that make them unique.

Yeah, was phil miming the synth parts for Krafty and Jestream? if so, thats fucking lame.

Oh yeah. John Lydon is super. May the Road Rise with you.

It seems Phil is pushing NO in a more "ordinary" direction, less dance electro, more guitary and ordinary.

Also, Phils guitar is not cool and distinctive like Barneys is.

Z

Uhm, I really like Phil's guitar, a lot. He plays some great guitar on the album, and live he's fantastic too. I love songs like Hey Now What You Doin... it's almost like having Johnny Marr, I wouldn't complain at all! But yes, New Order should be arsed to get a sessionman playing the keyboards live. Even Monaco had some bloke playing the keyboards (you didn't see Pottsy pressing a few buttons every minute or so to start backing tracks, you saw a keyboardist who just played the keyboards and that was it). So why can't New Order have a keyboardist too?

what you are saying is Phil Cunningham is a complete fraud A complete useless berk,musically.Is he mostly there just to be bummed?Are you sure Ringos lad?Because if this is true,even a new order "blind as a bat" fan will see that this is BANG OUT OF ORDER.We are gunna take a kicking on JET,and lose potential fans of the band,but this is blatent fraud,please noIf your right Zach we are all being SHIT UPON AT THE SHOWS THIS SUMMER I pray you have this wrong.Its a nightmare sell out if you are correct on this. I would'nt have thought new order let him in for his boatrace,cos thats no brad pitt lookalike.His guitar work must be flawless,and leaves barney more free with his vocals.But that is no excuse for lying to us in this way,if he really does fake that is

He pretends to play the keyboard during live Gigs? are you sure?its ok for TV.But did he do this over in America?

michael brown wrote: what you are saying is Phil Cunningham is a complete fraud A complete useless berk,musically.Is he mostly there just to be bummed?Are you sure Ringos lad?Because if this is true,even a new order "blind as a bat" fan will see that this is BANG OUT OF ORDER.We are gunna take a kicking on JET,and lose potential fans of the band,but this is blatent fraud,please noIf your right Zach we are all being SHIT UPON AT THE SHOWS THIS SUMMER I pray you have this wrong.Its a nightmare sell out if you are correct on this. I would'nt have thought new order let him in for his boatrace,cos thats no brad pitt lookalike.His guitar work must be flawless,and leaves barney more free with his vocals.But that is no excuse for lying to us in this way,if he really does fake that is

Moderator, can you ban this utterly disgusting figure?

Yep , you cant beat the classic New Order line up ,The day Gillian decided she had to quit was a sad day.I think ive had enough of Phil.Decent bloke im sure but New Orders unique stage presence isn`t the same without Gillian.How could it ever be.

Stockholm Monster wrote: Yep , you cant beat the classic New Order line up ,The day Gillian decided she had to quit was a sad day.I think ive had enough of Phil.Decent bloke im sure but New Orders unique stage presence isn`t the same without Gillian.How could it ever be.

Come on, when Gillian was in the band she could do nothing good by the fans. And now it is: Gillian, please come back!!

I've no problem with Phil - I like his guitar work & the rifs he had added. But I would like more live keyboards - so lets get Gillian back & keep Phil too;

Then perhaps with the addition of a few more session people (& Pottsy to help with the vocals) we might get a decent gig

runwild 1 wrote:

michael brown wrote: what you are saying is Phil Cunningham is a complete fraud A complete useless berk,musically.Is he mostly there just to be bummed?Are you sure Ringos lad?Because if this is true,even a new order "blind as a bat" fan will see that this is BANG OUT OF ORDER.We are gunna take a kicking on JET,and lose potential fans of the band,but this is blatent fraud,please noIf your right Zach we are all being SHIT UPON AT THE SHOWS THIS SUMMER I pray you have this wrong.Its a nightmare sell out if you are correct on this. I would'nt have thought new order let him in for his boatrace,cos thats no brad pitt lookalike.His guitar work must be flawless,and leaves barney more free with his vocals.But that is no excuse for lying to us in this way,if he really does fake that is

Can

Moderator, can you ban this utterly disgusting figure?

Can i not say anything?I am saying how I feel on this matter.Ok so the bumming was a daft joke As of a way of saying if he does'nt play, What does he do?You are so uptight,and have got me wrong,my humour may blur things sometimes.I personally think until proven otherwise that Phil brings something to the band,I always thought he has and have said so.Why are YOU offended? I mean you no ill at all.I thought this place was about lively debate,and your calling "ban this disgusting figure" Jeeeez!Are you Phil cunningham or something?...Or is this because I don't like J-E-T:dead: ,you do, and you want me gone.There are loads of JEThaters in here.Are you going to call for a ban on them all????

You know, you're a real 'up' person.

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

If you don't like what the band is doing, just fuck off and listen to something else. No one's asking any of you to be bigger fans than anyone else, and I could hardly care less if New Order "loses" fans because of the direction they've taken lately. They still make great music and put on a great live show, so I'm not complaining in the big picture. Here to Stay.

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

BIGINOIL wrote:

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

Oh No it wasn't:D

Rocket Mick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

Oh No it wasn't:D

It's behind you, Rocket!

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: If you don't like what the band is doing, just fuck off and listen to something else. No one's asking any of you to be bigger fans than anyone else, and I could hardly care less if New Order "loses" fans because of the direction they've taken lately. They still make great music and put on a great live show, so I'm not complaining in the big picture. Here to Stay.

I like it,You have been trying to get a rise out of me for a while have'nt you?and I know the band make great music I sensed you were a prickly character with a sharp mind,I was right you and a bunch of others.But we differ????

because you dont give a fuck what the band do,i do give a fuck

I would love them to go on for ever,and this single is not going to get any realistic fans.But you don't give a rats anyway so conversasion over pontiff exploding boatrace..

BIGINOIL wrote:

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

...... cheers for the rules does everyone who loathes a song and says it get this mullered off the locals?

Rocket Mick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

michael brown wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: You know, you're a real 'up' person.

You,ve just missed the crack,hav'nt ye?

I certainly have, Michael. This place was a right laugh before you came!

Oh No it wasn't:D

It was such a shit crack, completely crackless when i was just reading in here and posting infrequantly,that I popped down crack converters and got £50 crack back to to inject in to the forum.If you are not UK you wont get that.you can think im mental if it gets too much no harm done......and it was very good crack when I just read in here,and posted infrequently,in case anyone thinks I was serious

Where are my jetstream hater allies now tho,Eh?no matter

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

They named him after Lennon and Mcartney you know:D

runwild 1 wrote:

michael brown wrote: what you are saying is Phil Cunningham is a complete fraud A complete useless berk,musically.Is he mostly there just to be bummed?Are you sure Ringos lad?Because if this is true,even a new order "blind as a bat" fan will see that this is BANG OUT OF ORDER.We are gunna take a kicking on JET,and lose potential fans of the band,but this is blatent fraud,please noIf your right Zach we are all being SHIT UPON AT THE SHOWS THIS SUMMER I pray you have this wrong.Its a nightmare sell out if you are correct on this. I would'nt have thought new order let him in for his boatrace,cos thats no brad pitt lookalike.His guitar work must be flawless,and leaves barney more free with his vocals.But that is no excuse for lying to us in this way,if he really does fake that is

Moderator, can you ban this utterly disgusting figure?

What is up with banning? I actually dig this guy, brings a smile to my face everytime I log on... the more characters here at nool, the better. I hate to see anyone leave (like aj wells) and I hate to see anyone get banned... silly...

not very factory records to be advocating censorship etc...

Censorship only prevails where there is sufficient fear to warrant imposing it.Censorship sucks IMO..Who digs on censorhip out of all the touchy son of a guns in here?Any one for a poll?