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John Denver sued the Ords (and won) for Run2 coz it sounded like his tune 'Leaving in a Jet Plane'
Hang on.. hasnt Denver gone missing (presumed dead) coz he flew off in his own plane never to be seen again.
ho ho ho....he left in his jet plane. Prick!
Yes it was ironic. But nevertheless I am not amused by that fact. Run2 sounds nothing like LOAJP IMHO
well..it wasn't exactly a jet plane that Denver left the world in...but his way of passing does seem to suggest that God does, indeed, have a sense of HUMOUR!!!
twist wrote: Somebody needs to find out what court made that decision so we can post the judgement.
And beat the granny out of the Judge until he comes clean 
and says"It sounds Zip like Leaving on a Jetplane,but I wanna take a peek at this jetstream.You wer'nt thinking of leaving on it, were you gentlemen?"....I have Run2 on vynil,but no record player any more
Its a nightmare to get on other formats,If anyone could email me it mp3 I would love them
I will have to scrounge for it because of this dumbass John denver thing,and busting my turntable...
twist wrote: Somebody needs to find out what court made that decision so we can post the judgement.
We won't be able to find the judgement because there's none. They reached an out-of-court agreement with John Denver.
One Brain wrote:
twist wrote: Somebody needs to find out what court made that decision so we can post the judgement.
We won't be able to find the judgement because there's none. They reached an out-of-court agreement with John Denver.
Yes,and factory backed down about it did't they?not wanting to risk a financial clobbering.I really wanna here this version again,it sucks that Denver put the block on.Can anyone see any similiriaties with denver's song?if so. what?I love run but have'nt heard Run2 in 10 years:\ohwell:
One Brain wrote:
twist wrote: Somebody needs to find out what court made that decision so we can post the judgement.
We won't be able to find the judgement because there's none. They reached an out-of-court agreement with John Denver.
And sadly that agreement included a clause that the song would never subsequently be re-released, so we'll never get a proper CD version of it.
In fact, wasn't there a story that following the judgement the master tapes were "accidentally" destroyed by Factory? Or did I imagine that?
One thing I've never understood in all this is why it's only Run2 that sounds like Leaving On A Jet Plane. Surely the original Run must sound like it too? 
Old Blue wrote: One thing I've never understood in all this is why it's only Run2 that sounds like Leaving On A Jet Plane. Surely the original Run must sound like it too?
Makes sense. Maybe it's cos it was released as a single and gained more attention?
Old Blue wrote: One thing I've never understood in all this is why it's only Run2 that sounds like Leaving On A Jet Plane. Surely the original Run must sound like it too?
Yeah, all versions are now credited to JDenver & NO
Anyway its fair - the chord sequence is the same - or close enough
For example - play the technique version of RUN & sing this:
'So kiss me and smile for me. Tell me that you'll wait for me. Hold me like you'll never let me go. '
over the first guitar break - starts at around 30 seconds.
I hate to admit it, but the chords are too similar :dead:
michael brown wrote: If anyone could email me it mp3 I would love them
Check your mail "Jetstream Lover" ...
I never saw the problem with this. Have a listen to the charts - US, UK, Australian, etc. and spot the tracks that have been INTENTIONALLY lifted from previous ideas.
If you wanted to go into chord progressions, then I'm sure that Mozart would be suing most bands in the charts now if he was alive...
Everything is lifted from something else - either intentionally or unintentionally - there's a finite number of chords and a finite number of combinations (albeit a huge one)
Enjoy the music for what it is.
I would say that I hope John Denver rots in his grave, but then... 
Bere wrote:
michael brown wrote: If anyone could email me it mp3 I would love them
Check your mail "Jetstream Lover" ...
Thanks for being wonderful
Do you think that song I sent was Very New Ordery.I think it's class I thought you might wanna check it out you have a generous spirit to be proud about
michael brown wrote: Sorry Bere,but i just got a delivery failure notice.I will try and send it again.
Try: evil_bere@yahoo.de.
I'm looking forward to it...
michael brown wrote: you have a generous spirit to be proud about
Just helping out from fan to fan...
dunno about this. you left a magnificent singalong version of crystal on my voicemail after the cup final though.
Old Blue wrote:
One Brain wrote:
twist wrote: Somebody needs to find out what court made that decision so we can post the judgement.
We won't be able to find the judgement because there's none. They reached an out-of-court agreement with John Denver.
And sadly that agreement included a clause that the song would never subsequently be re-released, so we'll never get a proper CD version of it.
In fact, wasn't there a story that following the judgement the master tapes were "accidentally" destroyed by Factory? Or did I imagine that?
Well if that was indeed the case, said song DID resurface on "The Best Of New Order" didn't it? So there goes that theory out of the window. But it gets more intriguing....the version on the aforesaid "Best Of" is titled as "Run2" on the sleeve and everywhere else, and indeed includes the John Denver publishing company Cherry Lane Publishing as a credit, but as we all know, that version is the original "Run" off Technique. So that probably explains the clause then - in that the "Run2" version would never see a CD release, but here the title was simply used to conceal the original album version of the song......
Besides, if at anytime in the future they DID want to issue the limited 12" versions on a CD and not have to cough up more royalties, they could always completely retitle it to something else to fool everybody......call it something like Sunbeam, or Like A Juggernaut or whatever..... 
Yes the song tutled Run2 on The Best Of is indeed only Run. Don't know why this happened.
Anyway it is availiable on at least one boot that I know of Out Of Order features the 12".
Barney Army wrote: John Denver sued the Ords (and won) for Run2 coz it sounded like his tune 'Leaving in a Jet Plane'
Hang on.. hasnt Denver gone missing (presumed dead) coz he flew off in his own plane never to be seen again.
ho ho ho....he left in his jet plane. Prick!
yes indeed he did sue the ords as you put it,steve morriss claimed that it was new orders contribution to putting denver on the space shuttle to be the first musician in space,which was actually on the cards prior to his death. although ive never been a fan of denver he was quite a character in real life and far from being a prick. back in the eighties he fought to keep artistic freedom within art/music ect as at the time the far right in america was on the war path on popular music by either censoring what could be put on a record or as is now the case parental guidence stickers slapped on them,this was brought about by some high profile cases at the time namely the judas priest one springs to mind. i dont think that new order ripped him off as such but thats pop music for yer,they all rob each other in some form or another and new order was just unlucky to get caught out. if it hadnt been released as a single i doubt it would have been an issue.
on a lighter note,denver once entered a "john denver soundalike" contest which he lost?,came 3rd in fact,one of the judges told him,"close son but no cigar". now that is bonkers:D :D
mike powell wrote:
back in the eighties he fought to keep artistic freedom within art/music ect as at the time the far right in america was on the war path on popular music by either censoring what could be put on a record or as is now the case parental guidence stickers slapped on them,this was brought about by some high profile cases at the time namely the judas priest one springs to mind.
Actually, that was Al Gore's wife, Tipper who spearheaded the censorship campaign. I don't think anyone would consider her far right. ;)
Why did they re-name it Run2 anyway?
Run2 on the 12" is the same as Run on Technique, isn't it?
The Extended Version, remixed by Scott Litt, had extra beats and stuff which adds well to the overall mix. Probably like both versions equally. Wish the Scott Litt mix was available on CD, but still have a decent vinyl copy so all is not lost...
Ian Pashley wrote: Why did they re-name it Run2 anyway?
Run2 on the 12" is the same as Run on Technique, isn't it?
The Extended Version, remixed by Scott Litt, had extra beats and stuff which adds well to the overall mix. Probably like both versions equally. Wish the Scott Litt mix was available on CD, but still have a decent vinyl copy so all is not lost...
Run 2 is not the same as on Technique. The single version has an extra chorus.
undertow wrote:
mike powell wrote:
back in the eighties he fought to keep artistic freedom within art/music ect as at the time the far right in america was on the war path on popular music by either censoring what could be put on a record or as is now the case parental guidence stickers slapped on them,this was brought about by some high profile cases at the time namely the judas priest one springs to mind.
Actually, that was Al Gore's wife, Tipper who spearheaded the censorship campaign. I don't think anyone would consider her far right. ;)
yeah, that was bizarro Tipper - she may not represent the far right, but it had a right wing vibe to it.
from wikipedia - In 1984, she co-founded the Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) because she heard her 12 year-old daughter playing "Darling Nikki" by Prince. Critics of the PMRC, including Jello Biafra and Frank Zappa, accused the PMRC of conducting public and under-the-table censorship campaigns against various recording artists and pointed out the PMRC's ties to the American religious right
Bere wrote:
michael brown wrote: you have a generous spirit to be proud about
Just helping out from fan to fan...
I have a great instrumental of Glitering prize,let me know if you hav'nt got it it,its round here someplace;)I love that simple minds song
michael brown wrote:
Bere wrote:
michael brown wrote: you have a generous spirit to be proud about
Just helping out from fan to fan...
I have a great instrumental of Glitering prize,let me know if you hav'nt got it it,its round here someplace;)I love that simple minds song
I wouldn't be angry if you send it to me... 
Did you know that SM did a cover-version of JDs LWTUA? A nice Disco-Version, mainly instrumental - lyrics shrunk to the refrain... Sometimes it is creepy how similar those two bands are... Perhaps worth a topic "Behind closed doors"...
michael brown wrote:
Bere wrote:
michael brown wrote: you have a generous spirit to be proud about
Just helping out from fan to fan...
I have a great instrumental of Glitering prize,let me know if you hav'nt got it it,its round here someplace;)I love that simple minds song
The whole subject of Run2 got me logged on to this website for the first time last year (if I could dig out the thread I would) and it is one of those annoying NO grey areas - listing Run2 on the (best of) New Order still winds me up to this day since if they can put it on there, why couldn't the real thing have been slapped on to RETRO? 
I've got the 12" but not the means to convert it to mp3 so I now lie prostrate in the shape of a shameless newbie grovel to anyone who could kindly sort me out with this. 
Would really appreciate this since it would complete my 'Technique2' comp (which is nowt special, just a very basic re-working ofthe original with as many variants as possible in celebration of that great LP.)
Cheers all;)
Barney Army wrote: John Denver sued the Ords (and won) for Run2 coz it sounded like his tune 'Leaving in a Jet Plane'
Hang on.. hasnt Denver gone missing (presumed dead) coz he flew off in his own plane never to be seen again.
ho ho ho....he left in his jet plane. Prick!
He crashed his plane into the Monterey Bay not far from where I live. A small stretch off Ocean View Boulevard in Pacific Grove was named John Denver Beach in his memory.
Yes, he testified in the Senate hearings against the censoring/stickering of "offensive" albums.
Apparently he ran out of fuel in his experimental airplane. You can read an accident report here: http://www.airsafe.com/events/celebs/denver.htm
Nick M wrote:
michael brown wrote:
Bere wrote:
michael brown wrote: you have a generous spirit to be proud about
Just helping out from fan to fan...
I have a great instrumental of Glitering prize,let me know if you hav'nt got it it,its round here someplace;)I love that simple minds song
The whole subject of Run2 got me logged on to this website for the first time last year (if I could dig out the thread I would) and it is one of those annoying NO grey areas - listing Run2 on the (best of) New Order still winds me up to this day since if they can put it on there, why couldn't the real thing have been slapped on to RETRO?
Cheers all;)
You got mail
Ironwill wrote: Apparently he ran out of fuel in his experimental airplane. You can read an accident report here: http://www.airsafe.com/events/celebs/denver.htm
Time for Bere's big weird conspiracy theory... 
I presume that John Denver was the reason for the '93 conflict of NO. They "broke up" over the complaint of Denver (OK it took some years). They reunited '98 after Denver died in '97. So one of them probably had sabotaged his plane. And now they live happily ever after...
Chris Nash wrote: I never saw the problem with this. Have a listen to the charts - US, UK, Australian, etc. and spot the tracks that have been INTENTIONALLY lifted from previous ideas.
If you wanted to go into chord progressions, then I'm sure that Mozart would be suing most bands in the charts now if he was alive...
Everything is lifted from something else - either intentionally or unintentionally - there's a finite number of chords and a finite number of combinations (albeit a huge one)
Enjoy the music for what it is.
I would say that I hope John Denver rots in his grave, but then...
Well said, the musical style of John Denver is so far away from that of New Order, did he have a new album out at the time of the dispute was he looking for publicity ?
Barney Army wrote: Prick
Totally agree
John Denver - left in a Jet Plane, Otis Redding died in the dock of a bay (sitting - as it happens in a plane) any other good examples of ironic deaths?
Bere wrote:
michael brown wrote:
Bere wrote:
michael brown wrote: you have a generous spirit to be proud about
Just helping out from fan to fan...
I have a great instrumental of Glitering prize,let me know if you hav'nt got it it,its round here someplace;)I love that simple minds song
I wouldn't be angry if you send it to me...
sorry who's sm?
SM are Simple Minds, other aptly named bands include D.Ross, Dire Straits - can anyone think of any others?
I recently spotted at a listening station at a store a new cover of lwtua. I belived its sung by a french women, and has strings in it. Other punk, new wave songs are covered. It sounded quite nice.
jonathan szwajkos wrote: I recently spotted at a listening station at a store a new cover of lwtua. I belived its sung by a french women, and has strings in it. Other punk, new wave songs are covered. It sounded quite nice.
That's from "Nouvelle Vague"
