whats wrong with you people!

With regard to the jetstream nonsence, why can't you all accept that New order are trying to stay current. it is getting quite boring all of you slagging them off for jetstream. i think they've aged alot better than any other 80's band who made a comeback.

since london records were bought out by warners you have to remember they are playing the big record label game now,warners want to make money out of New order and cash in on the current high status of Scissor Sisters so commercially you have to admit this single release makes sense.

This isn't 1985 and factory records are no more, i think Bernard put it best on the '511' DVD, when he said about new songs need a few years to get some musical history behind them to get them accepted.

and all you old boys who remember the good old days of the early 80's bloody wake up and move on.if your all as hardcore fans as you claim you'd accept what they do and move with them.

Yeah but if you think about it jetstream is a bit crap. dont think people were saying that about TPK in 85...

Hold on pal... Even as a hardcore fan you've got the right to dislike some tracks, haven't you? I'm not the "Hooray for everything they do"-kind-of-type. If you don't stay objective you're dead.

i'm not trying to relate this song to any other the 85 remark was just a generalisation.

It's not that bad a song, i bet you tap you foot to it when you hear it

Noel Breaks wrote:

It's not that bad a song, i bet you tap you foot to it when you hear it

But it is still the weakest song of WFTSC. Which is not that bad because the whole album is ingenius.

Al Jarvis wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Yeah but if you think about it jetstream is a bit crap. dont think people were saying that about TPK in 85...

Nope, they were saying it about that Subculture 12"!

I didn't think the recent tiffs here were about whether Jetstream was (a) crap or (b) v.crap (actually, I think the Richard X mix is class) but more about the fact that (i) Barney can't sing in tune and (ii) he dances like a chimp.

point proven!

Bere wrote: Hold on pal... Even as a hardcore fan you've got the right to dislike some tracks, haven't you? I'm not the "Hooray for everything they do"-kind-of-type. If you don't stay objective you're dead.

Totally agree - I would like to add that it is quite ironic that their worst single ever has recieved the most promotion - You couldn't make it up!

I've been holding my water on this tune until now, but here goes. The ONLY conceivable complaint anyone could have about Jetstream is the utterly vacuous lyrics. The music is blissful, a real masterpiece of Barney's Perfect Pop. as for those lyrics, I have two words. Mr Disco. nuff said? he's havin a laugh. As for Ana, and how it was done and why it was done, well it's all a bag of bollox, but she does sound great on the record and serves an interesting function live.......that of making Barney look talented. Besides I am sure they have totally corrupted her by now, she'll be an ulcer for her management goons in no time, mark my words.

And if you really want to bring the Old Order of Factory in to it, as I said on another post, none of the factory albums have any bad tracks at all, they were more innocent, less second guessed, more honest in some ways. They now have to deal with an A+R dept, and all the related music biz talent sapping suitscum having "great ideas", thing is if they could have actually great ideas about music they'd be musicians or producers rather than bluetooth borg. At Factory NO did what they liked, Wilson fired a few ideas at them now and then and generally got told to fuck off. That smothering layer simply did not exist, now it does. Mind you I have no doubt whatsoever that the Warner drones have never had to battle with a band like NO, I bet ( and hope) they all get ulcers......in memory of Rob Gretton who said he reckoned they'd just bought a whole load of trouble, it's a shame he isn't around to make things more difficult. As long as they keep turning out good tunes, being real people and making life hard for their slavemasters, as long as they sabotage dvd tapings and start fights in green rooms, I don't mind the odd compromise, the odd crap track, or even the odd pisstake that got taken out of context and turned into a single and a contrived duet by some suit full of feck all. If they'd been with Warner's in 89 Mr Disco would be where Jetstream is now.

Hans Jugger wrote: I would like to add that it is quite ironic that their worst single ever has recieved the most promotion - You couldn't make it up!

I'm jobbing in a big film theatre and I see that the worst films get the most promotion material - because they need it...

Hmmm...have NO made any comments about Jetstream and the endless it's crap/it's not debate?

delilah wrote: Hmmm...have NO made any comments about Jetstream and the endless it's crap/it's not debate?

Doubt it - they're too busy having a laugh!

I bet it's been really good fun for them - and for me to watch it all.

It's such a shame they had to mime some of the kids shows - I bet they'd have done a classic version on CD:UK with loads more whistling and carrying on!

That's probably how they bought the other live ones, by promising to mime when there was a chance of normal humans being exposed. But I am in total agreement, I'd love to see the kiddies faces as Our beloved leader belts out "you are my jetstream cunt just who I wanna fook" and following the tune with "clap harder you wankers I'm old enough to be your grandad"

BIGINOIL wrote:

delilah wrote: Hmmm...have NO made any comments about Jetstream and the endless it's crap/it's not debate?

Doubt it - they're too busy having a laugh!

I bet it's been really good fun for them - and for me to watch it all.

It's such a shame they had to mime some of the kids shows - I bet they'd have done a classic version on CD:UK with loads more whistling and carrying on!

I can take the whooping and the dancing...

...but please god not the whistling!!!

Steve Campbell wrote: That's probably how they bought the other live ones, by promising to mime when there was a chance of normal humans being exposed. But I am in total agreement, I'd love to see the kiddies faces as Our beloved leader belts out "you are my jetstream cunt just who I wanna fook" and following the tune with "clap harder you wankers I'm old enough to be your grandad"

Haha that custom emotion is cool

Steve Campbell wrote: That's probably how they bought the other live ones, by promising to mime when there was a chance of normal humans being exposed. But I am in total agreement, I'd love to see the kiddies faces as Our beloved leader belts out "you are my jetstream cunt just who I wanna fook" and following the tune with "clap harder you wankers I'm old enough to be your grandad"

Eh? Surely 'Hooky is our leader' (as the chant used to go.....)

All too easily read in his voice isn't it :) But it IS the fundamental truth, they could rerecord the birdie song and I wouldn't complain as along as.... They demand to play live on every tv show. They submit a giant drinks rider which Barney consumes. They make complete tits of themselves, but STILL bigger tits of all the bands who don't even have the talent to sound THAT bad and therefor mime. Hooky starts ( and ends) a fight. and all the usual sundries....swearing at audience, forgetting the words, replacing the words with "fook" and "cunt", Hooky and Barney falling out over the (insanely low in my opinion) bass volume, at least 3 serious equipment malfunctions, talking to the monitor engineer/the FoH engineer/the lighting engineer/the tv crew/God/His maate at the back....all over the live rig like a true pro, and so on.

It aint what you do, it's that way that you fookin does it.

Doctor Clayhead wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: That's probably how they bought the other live ones, by promising to mime when there was a chance of normal humans being exposed. But I am in total agreement, I'd love to see the kiddies faces as Our beloved leader belts out "you are my jetstream cunt just who I wanna fook" and following the tune with "clap harder you wankers I'm old enough to be your grandad"

Eh? Surely 'Hooky is our leader' (as the chant used to go.....)

I know that You know that Hooky knows that Barney does not.

Perhaps "el presidente" would have been more fitting. ADDENDUM: maybe even better would be El Capitan, as in "barney is the captain of our ship"x2 "for our ship she is a tanker and barney he's a " What is the full chant btw, u can never hear it on a boot, all you ever hear is a wall of yelling and occasionaly when they all start you get "nuodda nuodda nuodda". Presumably it begins "hooky is our leader we are easy lead?"

Steve Campbell wrote:

Doctor Clayhead wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: That's probably how they bought the other live ones, by promising to mime when there was a chance of normal humans being exposed. But I am in total agreement, I'd love to see the kiddies faces as Our beloved leader belts out "you are my jetstream cunt just who I wanna fook" and following the tune with "clap harder you wankers I'm old enough to be your grandad"

Eh? Surely 'Hooky is our leader' (as the chant used to go.....)

I know that You know that Hooky knows that Barney does not.

Perhaps "el presidente" would have been more fitting. ADDENDUM: maybe even better would be El Capitan, as in "barney is the captain of our ship"x2 "for our ship she is a tanker and barney he's a " What is the full chant btw, u can never hear it on a boot, all you ever hear is a wall of yelling and occasionaly when they all start you get "nuodda nuodda nuodda". Presumably it begins "hooky is our leader we are easy lead?"

Nowt so exotic: in them olden days it simply went (to the tune of "let's all do the conga"): "HOOKY IS OUR LEADER!! HOOKY IS OUR LEADER!! DA DA DAH DA!! DA DAH DAH DA!!"

Last heard it at a Monaco gig in Wolves sometim in '97.

Ahhh I see. And he is anyway. I mean Steve is the really talented one, but you can't interact with him. LOL. And besides...."All those members of the band who are norse thunder gods step forward"

Steve Campbell wrote: That's probably how they bought the other live ones, by promising to mime when there was a chance of normal humans being exposed. But I am in total agreement, I'd love to see the kiddies faces as Our beloved leader belts out "you are my jetstream cunt just who I wanna fook" and following the tune with "clap harder you wankers I'm old enough to be your grandad"

yOU Take the good with the bad. Yea everyones knocking on "JetStream" ohh well The album is still good. "Turn", the best track on the album is GREAT!!! I LOVE IT.

Jason Rosero wrote: yOU Take the good with the bad. Yea everyones knocking on "JetStream" ohh well The album is still good. "Turn", the best track on the album is GREAT!!! I LOVE IT.

Hell Yeah!!

This thread is fantastic. :D

Anyway, how 'bout changing "one-nil to the Hooky god" to the tune of Go West chorus?

Excellent plan :)

And then the Conga can become "bernard is a wanker" ( well you could say Barney, but he gets offended, bless him).

I still can't shake the thought of that lot of hammered loonies being let loose live to air on a kids show. I keep seeing it in my head years later on a documentary, a somber voice reads "It all seemed to be going so well with their new album until they did Jetstream on CD:UK", the screen shows black and white images of terrfied children and on the soundtrack Barber's Adaggio for strings fades in, along with reverberant distant sounds of screaming children, the words "fook" and "cunt", and a horrid clanging bass noise......the voiceover returns now....."it was after this appalling display in which countless children were irrevocable brain scrambled,and several young tv stars had their careers obliterated, that both the IBA and BBC charters were changed to prevent their appearance on British television again"

BTW Ana has earned a dubious distinction.....Least talented[1]person on new order's stage. Making Barney look like a good frontman is not an achievment I'D want to live with :)

[1]in the proper musical sense, like going to conservatory school and shit, as opposed to the inventing entire new musical styles sense.

Steve Campbell wrote:

I still can't shake the thought of that lot of hammered loonies being let loose live to air on a kids show.

What a beautiful picture!

The Happy Mondays or at least Shaun rider are named in Ch4's contract and charter, they will never appear on live ch4 again, it's like General Order No.2 after "don't say fook on the afternoon news".

You gotta admit that NO live to air at any time is a bad thing, or at least a large guilded invitation to disaster(+1), the only more telesuicidal thing I can think of is letting Bez on live (Bez in da bungallow?) on a saturday morning, certainly still up and out of it from Fri night.....never gonna happen.

Hmmmm, there's an IDEA AND A HALF....bear with me......you know ( or maybe you don't) that Chris Eccleston is departing as Dr Who.....well.......I reckon Bez is the man for the job....."Does any of you fookin aliens have any skins" "Man you;ve no idea how much gear you can smuggle in the TARDIS thing"....sorry I digress.