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'ere was me thinking I could load all the tracks into Cubase or something and do some proper mixing. This is noddy stuff. Ah well. worth buying the cd for the video.
Is it me or is Anna pig ugly in the Scissor Sisters but well worth one singing in New Order? Weird Eh?
Who is the ugliest chick New Order could get away with 'dueting' with?
I'll start with Bella Emberg
um, I guess I could record them individually in SoundForge or something then stick 'em in Cubase.
Right, I feel a re-mix coming on
Barney Army wrote: 'ere was me thinking I could load all the tracks into Cubase or something and do some proper mixing.
'erm...duh. Just solo each track and bounce it to disk. Repeat. Import into Cubase. Remix to taste. Easy peasy.
Its only supposed to be a fun addition its not a pro kit by any means!
Jeez, they give us the opportunity to play around with a track remix for the first time in their 25 year history and some people are still moaning!!
No one is stopping you from saving each track out seperately as a wav if you've got enough time to waste!! 
Hush yer yap child, try pulling 4 tracks off a tape made at double speed in a 4 track, when all you have is a walkman!
Repitching, reversing, endless shuffling about until it fits, chopping up to compensate for tape drift. And the flamin original was done with dBx and the walkman not surprisingly had DolbyC.
no pleasin some people, perhaps next time they'll include a DVD with the track converted all popular sequencer formats complete with demo versions of any computer based fx used.
/miserable_old_git
Steve Campbell wrote: Hush yer yap child, try pulling 4 tracks off a tape made at double speed in a 4 track, when all you have is a walkman!
Repitching, reversing, endless shuffling about until it fits, chopping up to compensate for tape drift. And the flamin original was done with dBx and the walkman not surprisingly had DolbyC.
no pleasin some people, perhaps next time they'll include a DVD with the track converted all popular sequencer formats complete with demo versions of any computer based fx used.
/miserable_old_git
erm..child, I'm older than you pal. I just want some backing tracks to strum along to. You can stick yer walkman up yer arse.
Barney Army wrote:
DoN wrote: Its only supposed to be a fun addition its not a pro kit by any means!
Jeez, they give us the opportunity to play around with a track remix for the first time in their 25 year history and some people are still moaning!!
No one is stopping you from saving each track out seperately as a wav if you've got enough time to waste!!
are you takin the piss?
Some people are into this sort of stuff.
Fuck Off
Yer I am taking the piss!!
It doesnt say this cd comes with professional music editing suite, it just a fuckin cd which allows you to mute tracks and adjust volumes!
what do u expect for 3 quid? 
saving the indevidual tracks was the first thing i did after listening to the mixes, I tried playing around with it using cubase but my PC is shite, by the way with a bit of time stretch the base line from ecstacy (PCL) fits quite well, but it's easier to just play the part 'cos the time stretch sounds crap.
Jed Stephens wrote: saving the indevidual tracks was the first thing i did after listening to the mixes, I tried playing around with it using cubase but my PC is shite, by the way with a bit of time stretch the base line from ecstacy (PCL) fits quite well, but it's easier to just play the part 'cos the time stretch sounds crap.
Shhh...that's what I've been doing with it! (That is, playing the bassline from Ecstasy against it.) Now you're going to think I ripped you off, but honest, that was the first thing I did, by accident though...just playing along...hey, that sounds familiar...cooooooooool.
Some parts from Crystal fit in as well. Ah shit, now that cat's out of the bag as well.
P.S. Steve and I must be the same person, 'cause I've spent some time trying to recreate 4-track tapes recorded with dbx at double speed. Don't forget, you have to reverse tracks three and four as well.
Barney Army wrote:
Is it me or is Anna pig ugly in the Scissor Sisters but well worth one singing in New Order? Weird Eh?
No, it's not weird, it's the truth Mr Army.
Barney Army wrote:
Steve Campbell wrote: Hush yer yap child, try pulling 4 tracks off a tape made at double speed in a 4 track, when all you have is a walkman!
Repitching, reversing, endless shuffling about until it fits, chopping up to compensate for tape drift. And the flamin original was done with dBx and the walkman not surprisingly had DolbyC.
no pleasin some people, perhaps next time they'll include a DVD with the track converted all popular sequencer formats complete with demo versions of any computer based fx used.
/miserable_old_git
erm..child, I'm older than you pal. I just want some backing tracks to strum along to. You can stick yer walkman up yer arse.
look, whatever, seriously tho, dry your eyes, it's not FOR people like you n me n gnu here, it is for the massed illiteratti ( hope I spelled that badly too), to drool and simper over. Remember.....when we was wee'uns we wanted to be musicians, todays lot want to be DJ's...talk about standards dropping.
GNU, it gets even better when you're a complete dickwit and outclever yourself with by using the autoreverse. Why? because auto reverse involves another gearwheel so the speed varies. Life would have been MUCH easier if I had just turned the feckin tape over....could still have done another take but 2nd tries are something that other people do....I either get it right 1st time or go down in a blaze of ridicule (mmmmm wonder where I learned that).
Feel free to write directly, Mr. Campbell, if'n you ever want to talk geek and not disturb the others here. But as long as we're at it...
Better yet is working on a four-track, double-speed cassette with dbx (yes, a VestaFire!) in an apartment with electricity so crappy that the motor speeds up and slows down throughout the day.
"Hmmm...take seven. Why the fuck does this bass keep going out of tune before the second verse? Wait...turns out the tape motor was actually slowing down while I was recording the guitars!"
Kids these days are so lucky to have stuff like U-myx. Little bastards.
vestafire....jesus...that's bad...nearly as bad as those amstrad things.
I'm not sure ppl are lucky to have stuff like umyx, other than that you can't download a nice tascam 4-track. In many other ways a lot of computer based stuff, simple and complex alike, can be viciously constraining. digital u see.....no grey areas. things don't degrade progressively like in the real world, with digital it's work work work work work FLOGGED! I'm sure anyone who lives in an area with crappy tv signal, who's gone from analogue RF to digital RF ( Freeview in the UK) will agree.....no more lookin at the picture thru snow on bad aerial days, with digi, it just goes off.
I think I need anti rambling pills....course if I take any more I'll rattle :)
I aint heard any of these jetstream mixes yet, and have not yet considered doing one, like I say, even thinkin about Cubase gives me brain trauma just now...cos I know it will, in defference to the traditions of it's host OS, chuck barriers at what I want to do at every opportunity. /me casts a beady at the atari's and wonders if all of Jizzstream will fit in the massed ranks of our semi retired sampler battallion.
PS...MR B. Army....please try to learn that 99% of the time I'm only yankin yer chain to see what noise you make....you'll know when I want to be HONESTLY abusive trust me:)
Steve Campbell wrote: vestafire....jesus...that's bad...nearly as bad as those amstrad things.
I'm not sure ppl are lucky to have stuff like u-myx, other than that you can't download a nice tascam 4-track. In many other ways a lot of computer based stuff, simple and complex alike, can be viciously constraining.
I think you're getting the wrong end of what U-MYX is.
It is aimed at being an in depth archive of an artists recording- not a tool that lets you make versions of major artists songs without a single barrier to your creativity.
Masses of people whose only interaction with music pre U-MYX was pressing 'Play' or 'Stop' have had a new world opened to them, and have got closer than ever before to the music they love for £1.99 and with no learning curve.
If it was any more complicated, it would have scared most artists/record labels off and most fans would have rolled their eyes at it. It also wouldn't work on as many computers as it currently does with no installation or set up at all.
Music, whether you are a fan, artist or producer has always had annoying restrictions on creativity, and the 'great' records tend to be cases where people bend what technology they have (whether it be a tascam 4 track, an Otari 24 track or Protools HD) to its best advantage.
With u-myx we currently have some of the world's biggest artists recording new parts specifically for the u-myx versions of their songs, which in my book is a case of computers offering exciting and inspiring new freedom for fans and artists alike, rather than vicious constraints.
Of course, if you don't want to be constrained in the future by alternate vocals, different guitar/bass lines and whole new exclusive sections for songs for you to choose between in u-myx, you can just buy it on vinyl. ;-)
Olly
I appreciate your sticking around, Mr. Barnes. We had Dave Dresden pop into the forums a while ago, and this crew managed to piss him off inside of a week with "All remixes are shite" posts.
Any U.S. releases coming our way? Or do patent issues prevent that for now? Or do the record companies need convincing?
Hell yes, I want my U-myx, and a bonus DVD, and bonus tracks.
P.S. And a date with Ana.
P.P.S. Reminds me of TR-I (Todd Rundgren Interactive) from '93. And NIN just put his latest single on the web as an Apple GarageBand file. Cool.
Olly think u got me a bit wrong, I was sorta defending u-myx mostly above, statin prtty much what you said, that it's not FOR ubergeeks. The little quote you picked up on was merely a riff to get into Campbell's stock rant no.17 (computers, digital gear and windows as the enemies of humankind), tbh, I could just as easily have said PT or Cubase, but since they aren't out there for the masses.
But it's just Warner being tight asses, I mean if they had any decency, every copy of Jetstream would come with the aforementioned Otari, a 2" master, an SSL , or neve, no sense being a diva, 48 channel desk.......(insert 30 lines of gearporn).....oh and one of those plasma globe things for between the tannoys.
As for remixes, by the by, I like those that somehow capture and spin the soul of the original track, like when the guy remixing is a big fan of the victim. New Order get quite lucky in that way, with the exception of a few true horrors, most remixes still somehow SOUND like NO....jeeez even that pump panel confusion.
