NO NO RADIOPLAY.

If you include JDiv, NO are going to be thirty in a couple of years; they are titans of musicdom (with side projects and JDiv they've released around 20 studio albums), so why they hell do the radio stations continue to ignore their new material..?

What do you think? What, if anything, can we do about this?

Thinking about it, this also goes for TV music channels as well... I saw Krafty about three times on Q and J-E-T only once on Q (and U2 about a squillion zillion billion times).

They are getting played quite a bit over here since the gig last week - Switched on the radio in the car a few days ago & True Faith was playing; walked into a shop yesterday & BlueMonday was playing - with a few of the people shopping humming along

CuanaD wrote: They are getting played quite a bit over here since the gig last week - Switched on the radio in the car a few days ago & True Faith was playing; walked into a shop yesterday & BlueMonday was playing - with a few of the people shopping humming along

Poke your head into any trendy swag boutiques like the Gap or Banana Republic and there's a 50/50 chance you're going to hear the dulcet tones of Regret, True Faith, or BLT. I enjoy walking into Gap outlets simply to loiter and listen to the catchy, trendster twee and indie pop that's on the PA at all hours.

Oh and NO doesn't get any radioplay here because anything created in the 80s, especially with synths of any sort, is filed into the 'Retro' playlist pit of despair.

Krafty is on the Aldershot Shopping Cantre (Mall) play list which is not good

my girlfriend said the new album feature,s heavily as the background music in the sitcom "cutting it" here in england, not radioplay i know but its something!

Shopping mall play is a bit insulting, but I suppose it's better than nothing...

NO fans are seen by the masses as a bit 'weird'. Maybe shops hav cottoned onto this and play the tunes to single out potential security risks.

We are easy to spot; we just stand around looking a bit inane; humming and tapping feet whenever a NO song is played.

Would'ja believe it?

They just played Toothache on Virgin (as a request)!

No mention whatsoever of WFTSC though...

One step forward, two steps back...

craigy wrote: Would'ja believe it?

They just played Toothache on Virgin (as a request)!

No mention whatsoever of WFTSC though...

One step forward, two steps back...

And now they're playing LWTUA - Does someone on here work for Virgin!?!

They're too pop for alternative radio and too weird for pop radio.

I do hear them played on Jack FM occasionally but it's always BM,BLT or True Faith. But you'd think they'd be played all the time on a station like that - perfect format, demographic. The only song I've ever heard get good airplay on release was Regret which was #1 on local top 40 and on Muchmusic.

I think Rdaio 1 see them as old duffers.But then you could say that about U2 so it doesnt make sense.I can understand Jetstream not getting played.Krafty really shoould have been playlisted at least on Radio 1 but it wasnt.Did hear it more on my local station funnily enough.

WFTSC has been on Cutting It?.Hmm will have to have a quick look if i get a chance.Crystal was playing on Trinny ans Susannah once at the start of a programme.

bring back chris evans he always seemed to play something new order related, theres one man who gave a proper 2 fingers to the playlist!

If they're not getting radio play in the UK surely they aint getting any here in the states!

Times have changed, music on the radio has too and I'm not sure if an angst ridden 80's band like NO can catch on to the mainstream audience at this point in time. I'm hopeing they do because they deserve the recognition. _______________________________________________ I've got it all wrongCause you were not the wrong oneAnd I don't know where to turn when you're gone

here in the states DJs on commercial radio stations don't have much choice about what gets played and what doesn't. they're handed a playlist by the MD and that's that. usually it's about demographics, what the record companies are willing to give the stations, etc. american radio stations are generally looking for music that fits their niche and captures their demgraphic. i don't think new order really fits any demographic, which is why i only hear the band on the local '80s station every once in a while.

when i was the MD of my college radio station i had a difficult time explaining to companies that we were entirely freeform and thus i had no influence on what other DJs played. i was offered free tickets, CDs, etc. if i got their bands on the air and record companies threatened to withhold material if we didn't play their bands. we lost some business that way, but there's not much one can do and none of us really cared anyway. EMI even invited the MDs of the local NYC area college stations to come to their manhattan headquarters to watch rough cuts of new videos and get our input. they plied us with lots of food and free CDs. the only one we all liked was 'scooby snacks' by fun lovin' criminals which went on to become a minor hit.

however, even freeform stations can have pull every once in a while. lauryn hill was a year behind me at college and she brought us a demo of the first fugees album; since she was a fellow student we gave it lots of airplay on the urban music shows and it went to the top of our charts in the CMJ (college music journal) which i had to compile every few weeks and send in to the journal. i'm sure they would have made it big without us, but it's nice to think we had a hand in making the fugees famous!

U2 gets played at least 30 times a day on any radiostation. i cant stand it, but they are old. so age isnt a factor. i think its ultimately up to programming.

They are more than likely and unfortunately seen as old duffers, or has-beens. Probably put in the same category as Duran Duran, Depeche Mode and Tears for Fears. Ironically, U2 seems immune to that category, at least to the same degree.

I could count how many times I've heard Krafty and Jetstream played on Virgin UK radio from a leper's hands. I've constantly sent emails to Kelly to play some New Order (ANY New Order) on her drive-time show but they either go ignored, marked for spam or simply deleted! Perhaps she's not a big fan of them anyways. She's too busy raving on about Oasis, U2 and the Beatles. Oh well, I just really listen to her show just to hear her beautiful voice.

Virgin always seem to play some NO songs, and commercial radio plays their stuff all the time too, its just 'too cool for school' Radio 1 that seems to ignore them......no lose there.....maybe a thought though they should release an R&B/ Hip Hop record and they'd be well in On R1

Sammy wrote: If they're not getting radio play in the UK surely they aint getting any here in the states!

Times have changed, music on the radio has too and I'm not sure if an angst ridden 80's band like NO can catch on to the mainstream audience at this point in time. I'm hopeing they do because they deserve the recognition. _______________________________________________ I've got it all wrongCause you were not the wrong oneAnd I don't know where to turn when you're gone

I know what your getting at, but J-E-T was the anti-serum to angst-ridden and WFTSC is a poppy little ditty as well...

Maybe No's record company should be prodding the stations into acknowledgement - if any suits are reading this maybe they can do something, otherwise WFTSC the single will be lucky to break out of the top 30!

Just got back from 2-and-a-half weeks in California, and flicking randomly through radio stations I encountered "Confusion", "BLT" (Brotherhood version!), "LWTUA", "Regret" and "Get the Message". Not a bad haul.

God bless those 80s nostalgia stations.

Jackson Withrow wrote: U2 gets played at least 30 times a day on any radiostation. i cant stand it, but they are old. so age isnt a factor. i think its ultimately up to programming.

one of the Dutch radio stations has announced a 'U2 free' week. They themselves are fed up with some bands being over-exposed. If response is good, they could be doing the same with other mainstream bands as well. Kink fm plays a lot of JD and NO, but admittedly all mature stuff, not much of the more recent offerings.

What really pees me off is when stations play songs that are utter bollocks, just because said artist is 'of the moment'. Two recent examples experiencing heavy rotation are;

Diamonds - Kanye West The Avenue - Dizzie Rascal

These songs are just the original song (Diamonds are forever and Heartache Avenue) with the verses ripped out and some rap inserted in it's place. A room of lobotomised ferrets could manage this - if these songs are radical and of the moment whilst NO is ignored then fook knows which arse the music industry has it's head up...

And the punch line is that Diamonds are forever and Heartache avenue would have induced piss leaking laughter from the average teenager before the application of such 'creative artistry'. Grrrrrrrrr.......

NO's lack of radioplay is probably down to the same pathetic, ignorant, corportate and completely ill-informed reason that Depeche Momde couldn't get any airplay on Radio 1 when trying to promomte Exciter and its singles...a radio 1 spokesperson was quoted as saying, 'they're no longer relevant'. This is despite their album selling 5 million copies and an 80 date world tour playing up to 10,000 people each night. At least NO still get recognition in the UK (the NME awards, headlining festivals, appearances on TV shows, etc). As for radio play, I never listen to it as all the bands I like are no longer relevant apparently!

there it goes again.lwtua on radio 2.they play new order sometimes as well.now where did i put my pipe

Chris owen wrote: NO's lack of radioplay is probably down to the same pathetic, ignorant, corportate and completely ill-informed reason that Depeche Momde couldn't get any airplay on Radio 1 when trying to promomte Exciter and its singles...a radio 1 spokesperson was quoted as saying, 'they're no longer relevant'. This is despite their album selling 5 million copies and an 80 date world tour playing up to 10,000 people each night. At least NO still get recognition in the UK (the NME awards, headlining festivals, appearances on TV shows, etc). As for radio play, I never listen to it as all the bands I like are no longer relevant apparently!

Of course they mean "no longer relevant to Radio 1's target audience", ie: people no older than 21....

Just switch over to Radio 2; or, better still, Radio 6.

Some other reason...all of the above to varying degrees.

Doctor Clayhead wrote:

Of course they mean "no longer relevant to Radio 1's target audience", ie: people no older than 21....

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21? My daughters 11 and shes had enough of Radio 1. Maybe if New Order were Irish, waved flags, banged on about World poverty and had silly names, they`d be played a bit more often on "yoof" media. I really detest U2 and everything they stand for. Rant over.

Al Jarvis wrote:

Sammy wrote: Times have changed, music on the radio has too and I'm not sure if an angst ridden 80's band like NO can catch on to the mainstream audience at this point in time. I'm hopeing they do because they deserve the recognition.

angst ridden?

yeah, like confusion. you know...it's all about being confused and stuff.

Why not cordinate and email radio stations to play more NEWORDER or WFTSC? They can't ignore us all

People like rap. No matter how good no got i still think that any rapper would get more airplay.

I personally dont like rap at all. Would rather listen to no anyday.

Jason Rosero wrote: Why not cordinate and email radio stations to play more NEWORDER or WFTSC? They can't ignore us all

do many people on this site actually listen to the radio? i listen to the '80s station out of tampa, but that's about it. if the local stations were to play a NO song it would inevitably be sandwiched between sum charlotte and green 41, so there would be no point anyway.

I've given up on radio. If I wanted to listen to shite, I'd hang out in the bog.

I can't stand the radio. I never listen to it, and I don't understand why my friends and parents sometimes prefer it to their perfectly normal, working CD players. I don't know how I would have "discovered" NO or Depeche Mode or any of the other great 80's and beyond synthbands without the internet. Pop music is swamped in ugly, atonal rap/hip-hop garbage as of now, or so it seems.

Ben wrote: I can't stand the radio. I never listen to it, and I don't understand why my friends and parents sometimes prefer it to their perfectly normal, working CD players. I don't know how I would have "discovered" NO or Depeche Mode or any of the other great 80's and beyond synthbands without the internet. Pop music is swamped in ugly, atonal rap/hip-hop garbage as of now, or so it seems.

Problem with this:

Songs that get heavy rotation on TV music channels and the radio still sell more than songs that don't... yes there is the occasional exception... 'crazy frog' being one...

Less sales equals record company unhappiness and increased chances that NO will call it a day sooner rather than later...

The idea of NO chucking it all in or being gently nudged to do so by their suited masters (because of lack of mainstream interest) would be a sad way to end a unique recording career...

Still not a single peep of WFTSC on any radiostations in the UK - I'm bored out of my head at work so I have been spending time keeping an ear out - so far nothing...

If anyone hears WFTSC being played on a mainstream radio station let us know!

I think Radio 2 is the place to hear New Order these days - that's where I first heard 'Krafty' earlier this year. I think you've got more chance of hearing them on TV programmes - I heard 'Crystal' on 'What not to wear' this week as well as New Order/Joy Division on recent episodes of 'Cutting It'. Also, I think they used to play the beginning of 'The Beach' (Blue Monday instrumental) on Crimewatch UK but I haven't watched this for sometime now.

Slighty depressing, but also trying to motivate some goddam POSITIVITY!!!

I had a long drive back from a short break in Devon yesterday and as i had played the few CDs i did have with me hundreds of times as i drove around during my short hol i ended up listening to Radio 1 for almost the whole journey back to the midlands. Just to see what they play all day on average as i hadn`t listened to the station much for a long long time.

Jesus.Its not the fact they dont play good stuff ,its more that they hardly play bloody anything!!.It a bit like the main MTV channel these days wherein its all programmes like Cribs,The Osbournes and Pimp My fcuking Ride.There is almost no music on Radio 1.Its either Jo Whiley or Colin Murray or Edith Bowman blabbering away ALLLL DAYYYYY LOOOOOOONG .And if its not them its some crap phone - in compettition.Jesus christ the DJs seemed to play no more 2 songs every hour.Which are usually some R n`B or Hip Hop or Black Eyed bloody Peas.

That actually must take some effort.To talk so much as Jo Whiley and Colin Murray do.

bLuE oRdEr wrote: I've given up on radio. If I wanted to listen to shite, I'd hang out in the bog.

i do some of my best reading there.

I also heard 'Regret' at the end of yesterday's edition of Grandstand.

It's better this way, Keeps things special, it dont matter how good a band are, fact is they dont represent the target audience and im glad!, By the way, i went down to my local sommerfield's recently and they were playing Joy Division, I thought i'd slid into a parrallell universe or something (the one where JD & NO were as big as u2) ;)

It's nice to be part of something that other people don't get - I just hope NO are making enough dosh to keep things viable...

Also; bit surprised to see that 'old duffers' is winning

The only time I hear NO on the radio in Toronto is on "retro" shows on the weekend. The only place I hear current NO is in stores, and they're usually trendy furniture or clothing stores.

(I think I heard 60 Miles on an episode of ER last year.)

Blue Monday is currently being used in a Mars (chocolate) bar advertisement on TV and at the cinema. While I cringe everytime I see this ad - I also can't help but enjoy the song. (I just close my eyes and listen to the tune and forget it's being used to push chocolate bars.)

AgentWood wrote:

bLuE oRdEr wrote: I've given up on radio. If I wanted to listen to shite, I'd hang out in the bog.

i do some of my best reading there.

Yeah, i also find it the only place to be if you want enough peace to finish a 'Sudoku' grid!

Chris Nash wrote: Yup, all of the above. But I also think that another reason is that they've lost the 'Indie Mystique/Coolness' that they once had.

It's because they've done what so many others did before (and in their circumstances, can't really blame them) and signed to a major label.

They're becoming a band that gets consigned to the bargain bin 6 weeks after they release an album.

Says it all perfectly.

A lot of the classics get played on MTV2 (Blue Monday voted 2nd greatest single of all time ) and VH2, but songs from WFTSC get three plays and then dumped.

Did anyone see them talking to Zane Lowe on Gonzo, talking about the aborted attempt to rescue people from a burning house?

bLuE oRdEr wrote: I've given up on radio.

I don't mind listening to KNRK when I'm in Salem or points north, it doesn't come in very well down here. Heard quite a bit of NO on there, as well as a number of songs I never thought I'd hear again (Bauhaus' cover of Ziggy Stardust, for one), they've gotten a lot better since they got rid of that jackass Marconi and his moronic show. Still, on their minus side, they still do play way too much of the Foo Fighters and Red Hot Chili Peppers for my taste, but I can change the channel for four or five minutes, no problem.