just out of curiosity...some of my vinyl is on the factory label and some is on qwest, etc. as far as the rarity of the product, how much does this matter? or does it depend on the item?
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I guess you are intelligent, so you mean US Factory and Qwest right?
I believe Qwest became New Order's distributor later, they must have re-released a few items that the US Factory did before...
Some people will share more wisdom soon.
Spotnick wrote: I guess you are intelligent, so you mean US Factory and Qwest right?
I believe Qwest became New Order's distributor later, they must have re-released a few items that the US Factory did before...
Some people will share more wisdom soon.
i mean the UK factory label (FAC) as opposed to FACTUS. all of my factory releases are on FAC, not FACTUS.
or take confusion. FAC 93 in the UK vs. streetwise SWRL2213 in the US. any major difference?
i'm naturally assuming the original 1983 FAC release of blue monday is more valuable than the 1985 qwest re-release, as it's older.
is one FAC label more valuable than another FAC label? does anybody give a FAC?
jesus, who do i have to flirt with around here to get an answer to my post? 
someone must know the answer to my original question! :D
Okay, others can correct me if they think I'm wrong, but...
Stuff on Qwest is (mostly) still available as re-pressings with the original catalogue numbers.
If you have the original UK Factory releases, keep them - they're no longer available.
The actual recordings of the songs are rarely different - smae songs, different labels.
The UK releases may now generally be obtained on the 'Centredate' label (A London Subsiduary) but Factory originals are available second hand.
So, original Factory releases are rarer. They will get even more so as years go on. Replace them with re-releases and don't play the Fac originals - keep them in as good condition as possible.
Hope that answers the question. Wanna flirt now? Or should I get my coat... :(
Chris Nash wrote: Okay, others can correct me if they think I'm wrong, but...
Stuff on Qwest is (mostly) still available as re-pressings with the original catalogue numbers.
If you have the original UK Factory releases, keep them - they're no longer available.
The actual recordings of the songs are rarely different - smae songs, different labels.
The UK releases may now generally be obtained on the 'Centredate' label (A London Subsiduary) but Factory originals are available second hand.
So, original Factory releases are rarer. They will get even more so as years go on. Replace them with re-releases and don't play the Fac originals - keep them in as good condition as possible.
Hope that answers the question. Wanna flirt now? Or should I get my coat... :(
thank you. you are a credit to the male sex--dashing, virile....
:kiss:
i've got fac33 (7") on the turntable right now. best get it off then.
Think there were only three Factory US New Order releases back then: Movement, PC&L and the single for Blue Monday. Nothing different on those, except for the first cassette issue of PC&L, which has a different song title, and adds Blue Monday at the end of the first side, and The Beach at the end of the second. The tracklisting for side two is : Kwi, Ultraviolence, Only The Lonely (different title for Ecstasy), Leave Me Alone, The Beach.
Yeah, I don't play the Factory stuff all that much any more either, also picked up another Factory vinyl copy of PC&L, near mint condition, for five dollars. Excellent deal.
Chris Nash wrote: So, original Factory releases are rarer. They will get even more so as years go on. Replace them with re-releases and don't play the Fac originals - keep them in as good condition as possible.
I take it that means NO flinging 'em at zombies, then?
[darkgreen]Green[/darkgreen] wrote: Think there were only three Factory US New Order releases back then: Movement, PC&L and the single for Blue Monday.
and the 1981-1982 EP, as well (FACTUS8).
AgentWood wrote:
[darkgreen]Green[/darkgreen] wrote: Think there were only three Factory US New Order releases back then: Movement, PC&L and the single for Blue Monday.
and the 1981-1982 EP, as well (FACTUS8).
How did I forget that one? I just love that cover, nice and simple.
To be honest I felt the Qwest New Order releases were bloody awful. The artwork was badly modified on at least two album editions (PC&L + Low-life I think) and furthermore ruined with big bold letters stating band name & title which Saville never intended. No doubt designed to convey a message of "This is an album by NEW ORDER by the way friend" because it was feared an album cover without any writing would confuse Americans. (A rather insulting assumption of Americans naturally)
I'm not positive but I seem to remember the Qwest CD versions had bad masterings as well, low levels etc. I distinctly remember other people complaining about that online years ago. I used to have the Qwest editions of PC&L, Low-life, Brotherhood and Substance but I loaned them to a friend once and never really bothered to ask for them back. It's not a loss keenly felt by my NO collection and I replaced them pretty quickly with late 90s CentreDate reissues on the cheap 
The CentreDate issues retained the Factory artwork as it was meant to be without any butchering and the sound quality is probably definitive (if requiring a remaster here or there)
I have one Factory CD album (Technique) which is sealed/packed away and a handful of 'Facd' singles (True Faith CDV, TBTHOG, 2xBM-88, Fine Time, Round & round, Round & remix) they were all MP3ed and packed away in a safe place. I've got loads of Factory vinyl, even if I don't own a turntable at the moment 
If I were you AgentWood I'd pack away the Factory stuff in a safe place where it's not going to be damaged or fade from sunlight exposure. As for the Qwest editions, Zombie ammo sounds about right! ;)
Factory was the UK label when NO was breaking out in the UK. Obviously Factory no longer exists so you won't find those pressings and thus are rare. I think they were supposed to be on London records but that fell through (not sure here)
Quincy Jones heard them and liked them and offered them a US distibution deal on his label called QWEST to get them known here.
As with all labels they changed up the look to fit the label they were going to be on.
AS for rarity it really all depends on how many they press up no matter what label but I'm pretty sure Factory pressed up much less than QWEST and Warner.
((((e))))
eCKOh wrote: Factory was the UK label when NO was breaking out in the UK. Obviously Factory no longer exists so you won't find those pressings and thus are rare. I think they were supposed to be on London records but that fell through (not sure here)
Quincy Jones heard them and liked them and offered them a US distibution deal on his label called QWEST to get them known here.
As with all labels they changed up the look to fit the label they were going to be on.
AS for rarity it really all depends on how many they press up no matter what label but I'm pretty sure Factory pressed up much less than QWEST and Warner.
((((e))))
their later releases are on london records in the UK (once factory went belly-up), and reprise in the US. you're right about qwest/WB in the earlier years, although there are some factory pressings in the US (FACTUS), as mentioned above.
AgentWood wrote:
eCKOh wrote: Factory was the UK label when NO was breaking out in the UK. Obviously Factory no longer exists so you won't find those pressings and thus are rare. I think they were supposed to be on London records but that fell through (not sure here)
Quincy Jones heard them and liked them and offered them a US distibution deal on his label called QWEST to get them known here.
As with all labels they changed up the look to fit the label they were going to be on.
AS for rarity it really all depends on how many they press up no matter what label but I'm pretty sure Factory pressed up much less than QWEST and Warner.
((((e))))
their later releases are on london records in the UK (once factory went belly-up), and reprise in the US. you're right about qwest/WB in the earlier years, although there are some factory pressings in the US (FACTUS), as mentioned above.
Interesting...
Speaking of Qwest... was Blue Monday 88 supposed to be a US release only? It's remixed by the owner of Quest, so I'm curious if anybody has the story behind the origin of this remix... 
I had the Qwest CD releases of PC&L through Technique. The large bold New Order and album title text were indeed stamped over the fronts of all except Technique, which was left more or less intact(also for some reason the most expensive of the collection).
The audio quality runs the gamut from wonderful on PC&L and Technique to mediocre on Brotherhood and a low-volume travesty on Low-Life. However, i'm not exactly enough of a music engineering afficionado to know how much of this is due to mastering jobs as opposed to just spotty production 
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I used the past tense in the first sentence because around the end of last semester someone nicked my CD of Technique along with the copy of Raise The Pressure I had to search high and low to find. I've got them on MP3 and I still have the jewelcases but still, it's the principal of the matter! 
it's odd that the qwest releases have such poor audio quality. you'd think quincy jones, of all people, would know what he was doing!
So where are your replacement centerdate cds pressed. I just compleated my cd album replacement programm. All the ones I got are made in Germany except for Technique, which for some reason is pressed here in Oz.
I may eventually get around to replacing my Republic cd as well, even if it ain't Factory it still is a first issue.
