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leeharveyoswaldR.I.P.1963 wrote: for real? You call it snobberry, i call it creditability. Forgive me, but art is nothing without originality. The bravery is nothing i havent heard 1,00o times. Same with the killers.
You're right, I don't call it creditability.
I call it credibility.
Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: the bravery are a manufactured band. the singer was in Skabba the Hut, a ska band at the start of the wholesale pillaging of PostPunk/New Order sound. Label pushed them to jump on the bandwagon. Fake ass bitches!
Is that right, now? I hate it when bands do that just to make money. Fakers indeed! I don't see any evidence of The Killers having done that, which to my mind makes them a hell of a lot more credible than The Bravery could ever hope to be.
Ally3000 wrote:
leeharveyoswaldR.I.P.1963 wrote: for real? You call it snobberry, i call it creditability. Forgive me, but art is nothing without originality. The bravery is nothing i havent heard 1,00o times. Same with the killers.
You're right, I don't call it creditability.
I call it credibility.
whos the snob now? it may never occured to you that im dyslexic.
All the posts that i can remember from you are always antagonistic to those who may disagree with you.
its time to lighten up, buddy.
i cant stand that poncy the bravery singer. the way he was singing into his microphone at hyde park, made me think, nah this is one band not for me. i do like the killers though, much better musically
leeharveyoswaldR.I.P.1963 wrote:
All the posts that i can remember from you are always antagonistic to those who may disagree with you. its time to lighten up, buddy.
I think you're referring to the wrong person here, mate! Those who know me will know what I meant to say. ;)
leeharveyoswaldR.I.P.1963 wrote: All the posts that i can remember from you are always antagonistic to those who may disagree with you.
its time to lighten up, buddy.
Thanks for the advice. I would remind you that it is BLT who is being antagonistic and has admitted as much as it's giving him one hell of a thrill at work. You seem to be jumping on his bandwagon 
All I have responded with is a few light hearted pisstakes, hardly the most offensive comments on the planet. BLT himself declared that if you like The Bravery you're too stupid to find your own music, something which I find extremely antagonistic and childlike as I think the Bravery LP contains a couple of good tunes. You pop up after each of his posts like an echo. As for your typo thing, that was a bit of harmless fun and if you can't take it the way it was meant without getting uppity you're the one who needs to chill out mate.
Anyway, we were having a fairly reasonable debate about the New Order angle on The Killers vs. The Bravery before BLT bulldozed his way in with his slightly extreme views. You're not really one for respecting everyone elses opinions are you Brian?
I personally don't have anything more to contribute to this thread as it's not a reasoned debate, it's a lecture from Mr BLT and this leewhatsisbloke on what the gospel truth is on The Bravery.
NObabe wrote:
leeharveyoswaldR.I.P.1963 wrote:
All the posts that i can remember from you are always antagonistic to those who may disagree with you. its time to lighten up, buddy.
I think you're referring to the wrong person here, mate! Those who know me will know what I meant to say. ;)
now im really confused
Their music pretty much soundtracked my teenage years once I was given a Joy Division compilation. I hunted down most of the New Order/Side projects back catalogue and quickly became a "daily fan" from late '96 onwards. Plus the band themselves seem to be down-to-earth lads/girl who refuse to play the pop game or whore themselves to the industry; very admirable considering their peers such as U2 have become lumbering corporate machines. Something to aspire to I would say.
from ally's profile. Kinda contradicts what hes been saying.
leeharveyoswaldR.I.P.1963 wrote: from ally's profile. Kinda contradicts what hes been saying.
The Bravery aren't U2 last time I checked. I do like credibility as I correctly said in my profile but I've yet to be convinced that The Bravery are as wholly fabricated as you and BLT seem to think. I'd love to see your music industry credentials which give you authority on where The Bravery come from? I clearly explained why I liked their songs and admitted their influences come across as pretty strong. I never said they were original but a few of their tunes were quite good.
I suggest you drop this now because you're really starting to look like a class one wanker mate. Your arrogance is extremely impressive though, you're determined to prove your point as the absolute right here whereas I'm just interested to hear differing opinions without being too judgemental.
You don't like The Bravery and that's fair enough.
well, nowhere did i see brian making personal attacks for somebody liking the bravery.Also nowhere do i make personal attacks against somebody like you do. Name calling is childlike.
Im actually not upset. I just dont see anything wrong about BLT expressing extremist views. Wouldn't nool be boring otherwise?
ok, i think we've had enough here. Ally, no offence taken and no offence meant to you. If you like it, that's all that matters. There are loads of forums on the net where people are discussing the fake ass bitches known as the Bravery. If you care to find the info, it's there for you.
let's discuss Out Hud instead!
Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: ok, i think we've had enough here. Ally, no offence taken and no offence meant to you. If you like it, that's all that matters. There are loads of forums on the net where people are discussing the fake ass bitches known as the Bravery. If you care to find the info, it's there for you.
Thanks Brian for the remotely diplomatic post, it's a pity your 'echo' seems much more determined to run his point into the ground.
Anyway I don't even like the fucking Bravery that much, I think their LP is ok but I wouldn't rush out and buy any of their singles per se. I was simply wondering why The Killers get alot of preferential treatment by both the music press and Hooky himself while The Bravery seemingly get a lot of flack (as heard in the Studio Brussels interview MP3). Especially as they're quite similar sounding and from a similar "scene". However engineered that scene is.
Anyway I think this thread has been kind of run into the ground, so unless the 'echo' has anything further to add (I'm wagering he's rummaging through my profile as I type this) let's consider this little debacle over.
leeharveyoswaldR.I.P.1963 wrote: truce? I think were all taken ourselves too seriously.
Have we fuck.
Ally and BLT in a bitch fight! Brrrrrrrrrring it on!
Would save them bitching at the rest of us.
AH, good thing its calmed down some. Sorry for my own seriousness. I'm always a bit on the stupid side. But here is my question. Who are the hot new bands that people like? Just curious. I would like to check out some cool music, and I've never heard of this outhub or w/e it is (sry for mispelling or whatnot, no offense by it).
Out Hud - S.T.R.E.E.T.D.A.D.
start there, then check out the new one. both are excellent.
the web has tons of info about them so do some searching!
The Bravery/Killers rivalry is quite laughable. A matter of territorial pissings in a largely disposable 'new wave' of post-punk. I like neither and I am a bit disappointed Bernard and Hooky have taken a liking to the Killers. Brandon Flowers said in a Rolling Stone interview, and this is nearly verbatim, that he would die onstage to play with Bono. The guy's got stars in his eyes with very few ace tunes up his sleeve.
Out of all the bands that have a kind of 'indie garage-punk/post-punk' sound, the only two I've respect for are the Strokes (solely because of the songwriting on the first album) and Interpol. Like most everybody else, I slagged of Interpol for sounding like a JD rip-off. But such was unfair, and their second album really proved they are a developing band with their own distinct sound.
Most artists when asked if they would reccomend their career/do it over again/let their kids do it they talk about how how much it ruined their lives, how they hated it, how they'd never let their children do it...but if they had to do it all over again they would. Refreshing to see someone like Peter Hook not give such an idiotic response 
JV wrote: Out of all the bands that have a kind of 'indie garage-punk/post-punk' sound, the only two I've respect for are the Strokes (solely because of the songwriting on the first album) and Interpol. Like most everybody else, I slagged of Interpol for sounding like a JD rip-off. But such was unfair, and their second album really proved they are a developing band with their own distinct sound.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! I never thought anyone on NOOL would have such bad taste. Interpol are still a bunch of JD copyists and as for the Strokes, don't get me started; words can't describe how much I despise that band. They're the biggest fakers out there!
to me this next "wave" of New Wave, is all phoney, just like the 2nd Generation of punk. its lost some credibility, and the music is generic. it appeals to younger kids who missed the older bands and are dying to live in the 80s, as does the New Punk with the late 70s, but to the older people its just rehashed. it gets old quickly when every band you see are dressing in 80's suits with skinny ties. there are more bands like than now than in the 80's basically it boils down to the music, if you make good music you dont need the suits and the hair and the pouting face.
Well, its obvious we all like very different bands. But lets not argue over it anymore than we already have. Now I've been listening to Hard-Fi and Kasabian. And I think the strokes have some good songs. But if you guys are looking for something original and really different I recommend the Japanese Rock scene. Sure language barrier, but I think that there music is just incredible.
Well, since my taste is considered so bad because of my liking the Strokes and Interpol, I might as well admit the worst of my offenses. I really like Rick Springfield's 'Jessie's Girl'. What's wrong with a bit of cheese? For chrissakes, New Order themselves have manufactured some over time.
JV wrote: Well, since my taste is considered so bad because of my liking the Strokes and Interpol, I might as well admit the worst of my offenses. I really like Rick Springfield's 'Jessie's Girl'. What's wrong with a bit of cheese? For chrissakes, New Order themselves have manufactured some over time.
Dotn worry about it. She's in a minority. And anyway, i think you'll find more people like Interpol than some of the bands that she likes. Not a huge fan of the strokes myself, but of it wasnt for them, chances are we'd still all be being force fed nu metal and "gangster" rap, instead of the most vibrant music scene we'd have in decades.
That reminds me, i must find the other person who intends to buy Black Rebel Motorcycle Clubs next album...
don't kid yourself. BRMC are hugely popular. at least here on the west coast where every hipster can be seen wearing a faded BRMC tee and skin tight, black highwaters that perfectly compliment their low-top black Chuck Taylor converse sneakers. i'd say they are exponetially more popular than both Killers and The Bravery here in Seattle.
Well, about as popular as leprosy over here at the moment. Couldnt even fill academy 2! Re: Order and the Other Smiths got more people in there!
OOh,don't knock Interpol! Their first album does borrow influences shamelessly from JD,Chameleons and the Smiths,but they are passionate at what they do.by the time ANTICS came out,they've adopted a sound of their own,and an absolutely brilliant live band.
Could never understand the NO/Cure rivalry.Must admit I was pissed when "The Walk" shamelessly photocopied "Blue Monday",but it proved to be a one-off.
The funny thing is, the Cure actually existed before Joy Division, yet Robert Smith has felt compelled to imitate both Joy Division and New Order. My favorite Cure album is Boys Don't Cry (I realize it's a stateside release) because it's naive and ramshackle pop. Their albums stacked against those of New Order pale overall. Head on the Door compared to Brotherhood? Disintegration compared to Technique? The New Order albums sound effortless yet genuinely passionate, and Smith fails to match that fluidity. Don't get me wrong, I like the Cure a fair amount, but they've ripped plenty from JD/NO. More so than a modern band like Interpol. For those who bother to listen beyond the admittedly derivative quality of Paul Banks' singing on Turn On the Bright Lights, you'll find a band working hard at their craft. Antics is great and I look forward to their third album.
