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You could hardly blame Peter Hook if his blood boiled over from watching The Killers and The Bravery accuse each other of copycatting. After all, both bands — as well as countless others in the latest wave of dance-punk — have freely ripped off from a blueprint that he helped create in the '80s with New Order. But unlike Killers frontman Brandon Flowers, Hook takes no offense at hearing traces of his sound in the work of others.

"It doesn't really bother me. I mean, it's great. I've had a fantastic life, I've got a fantastic job with New Order. Am I going to worry about some bands sounding like us? The answer is no."

After more than a quarter-century in pop music, Hook has developed a veteran's laid-back perspective. He knows that no one can touch the legacy of either New Order or the band whose ashes it rose from, Joy Division, and so he's content to watch the newcomers battle it out in the media. He does acknowledge, however, that in his younger days, soundalike bands used to get his goat.

"I might have been a little annoyed when The Cure did it in the '80s with 'In Between Days' and things like that, but now I view it as a compliment. You know, for someone like The Killers to say they're inspired by you is fantastic in the same way that I told the Sex Pistols I was inspired by them."

It might be the first and last time The Killers are favourably compared to the Sex Pistols, but the bassist — "Hooky" to his friends — is full of genuine praise for the Las Vegas band. He's also happy to throw a bone to one of his musical descendants in the U.K.

"I think that Bloc Party record is a great record. You can tell that it comes from the heart, it comes from the soul, it comes from instruments. It doesn't come from a computer. And that, to me, is a beautiful thing when you can do that."

Hook feels New Order have done that with Waiting For The Siren's Call, and though he would've liked the new album to be "a lot rougher," he believes it's a worthy addition to the band's legendary canon. The experience of making it also gave him time to reflect on a storied career. "It wasn't until we started to work on this record that we realized we'd been doing it for 28 years. It was a shock."

If there is a secret to such longevity, Hook says he's blissfully unaware. "We are the worst people to publicize New Order. We don't do a thing and this thing just keeps going on. We're very lucky."

And the last thing he's going to do is discourage others from following in his rock star footsteps. "I highly recommend it, kids, if you can do it," he laughs. "Without a shadow of a doubt, it's a great job."

Source: chartattack,canada

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just goes to show what a top bloke hooky is ,im sure many others in ere would agree. bands have been treading in new orders footsteps since the early eighties but that said new order have done the same with other bands but its good to see hooky being so cool about it. but can any bloody journo out there do a piece on new order without "ashes?rose from" ect i seriously doubt it.:\ohwell:

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The Cure fans absolutely hate Hooky. I'm not a Cure fan, just interested in some of their music. I was in one of their forums and they didn't like Hooky at all.

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confusion wrote: the band whose ashes it rose from, Joy Division

Lazy lazy lazy :thumbdown:

Cheers for posting the 'Ooky quotes though :thumb:

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I'm not sure if I'm in the minority here but I much prefer The Bravery album to The Killers one. There's something about that Brandon Flowers guy that I just don't like. Well a few things actually: His last name, the way he dresses, his pretentious "brothers and sisters" speech to Live 8, his keyboard that looks like it's been mugged by a Christmas tree etc. :shrug:

Whereas The Bravery seem like pretty cool guys and the lead singer seems to have some sort of proper stage presence. 'An Honest Mistake' was the first song in a while to make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Sure, it's pastiched to buggery and owes alot to New Order, Cure etc. but it's a good song at the end of the day which carries it off in my opinion. I'd much rather listen to a New Order sounding record any day than a heavy metal or plastic pop one. Alot of the other tracks on that Bravery LP have grown on me too.

I was surprised to hear Hooky say "I think they're crap" of The Bravery in that Studio Brussels interview, he seemed to have a real problem them! But on the other hand he's hugging and cozying up to Brandon Flowers? :skeptic: Also Flowers let himself down by having a hissy fit at The Bravery for "stealing their sound" which just made him look like a jealous prick. I think he was probably shit scared after hearing 'An Honest Mistake' his little band may have met their match.

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Heres how I see it.

Hooky = New Order's saving grace, the master of melody, the god of bass. the killers = cheap wannabees from a cheap place. the bravery = slowy growing on me, and have an interesting tweek to the new order influenced sound (namely the guitar) which just sounds cool on there stuff like honest mistake. Waiting for second album Bloc Party = Best out of all them, Banquet is great. Lyrics are a bit daft.

All in all, Hooky has some ok children.

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Adam R wrote: The Cure fans absolutely hate Hooky. I'm not a Cure fan, just interested in some of their music. I was in one of their forums and they didn't like Hooky at all.

But they hate everyone who does'nt wear lipstick:nuts:

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Boatraceface wrote:

Adam R wrote: The Cure fans absolutely hate Hooky. I'm not a Cure fan, just interested in some of their music. I was in one of their forums and they didn't like Hooky at all.

But they hate everyone who does'nt wear lipstick:nuts:

I'm always turned off by the notion that "you can like one band, but not the other", a mentality that seems pretty prevelant in other fan bases. I'd like to think NO have a more open-minded fan base in terms of music, if not in terms of sexual orientations :evil4:

(just kidding :p )

Anyway, how could anyone hate Hooky? He's Hooky, for fuck's sake! :nonono:

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I think that the cure is great, I liked them before NO. So I think that those damn cure fans need to open up a bit. Who are they to hate hooky right? Joy Division made the cure who they are. Bah, its ok, I'll forgive them. Now, the cure has some great songs and albums, but I don't think they stack up to new order. Although there more recent out put has been great. But they seem to still follow New Order because Get Ready/Blood Flowers = Great. wftsc/the cure = few good songs, rest rubbish that will probably grow on me in the coming years.

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Adam R wrote: The Cure fans absolutely hate Hooky. I'm not a Cure fan, just interested in some of their music. I was in one of their forums and they didn't like Hooky at all.

hmm. i think there are many new order fans that either came to them from the cure, or went to the cure from new order. i was an old cure fan who discovered new order because of their nebulous connections... my love of the cure has somewhat faded over the years, but i've never heard any outright hatred coming from cure fans... maybe a little jealousy, but i don't think a statement like "cure fans absolutely hate hooky" is really all that fair. maybe "some cure fans find hooky to be annoying" or something like that. i don’t hate hooky and i'm a cure fan. there. actually almost every cure fan i know personally is also a new order fan to some degree. the people in the cure forums, let's face it, are the most rabid fans (a-hem), and are probably a bit younger and more prone to such base emotions than the average cure fan.

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Ally3000 wrote: I'm not sure if I'm in the minority here but I much prefer The Bravery album to The Killers one. There's something about that Brandon Flowers guy that I just don't like. Well a few things actually: His last name, the way he dresses, his pretentious "brothers and sisters" speech to Live 8, his keyboard that looks like it's been mugged by a Christmas tree etc.

Aren't the Bravery a manufactured band?! Which makes them a bit of an in-joke straight from the off?!

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Al Jarvis wrote: Aren't the Bravery a manufactured band?! Which makes them a bit of an in-joke straight from the off?!

I don't think so. Manufactured would imply they've been assembled, styled and had their songs written for them by some musical svengali. According to the sleeve notes they wrote all their own stuff and lead singer Tom Endicott produces everything. Plus from live performances it's been established they can play pretty well. Nobody's denying their influences are pretty obvious, but then again so are The Killers.

So I fail to see how they're manufactured? :scratch:

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Ally3000 wrote:

Al Jarvis wrote: Aren't the Bravery a manufactured band?! Which makes them a bit of an in-joke straight from the off?!

So I fail to see how they're manufactured?

Guess someone told me, and I was just repeating that verbatim. Try googling "the bravery" and manufactured though - seems the rumour spread far and wide.

Doesn't AgentWood know their lead singer?! :nod:

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the bravery are a manufactured band. the singer was in Skabba the Hut, a ska band at the start of the wholesale pillaging of PostPunk/New Order sound. Label pushed them to jump on the bandwagon. Fake ass bitches! The Bravery = music for people who are too lazy to switch off the radio and discover music on their own. Not that the Killers are any better. You people realize this is a FAD and these bands won't make it to album 3 in the public eye.

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Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: the bravery are a manufactured band. the singer was in Skabba the Hut, a ska band at the start of the wholesale pillaging of PostPunk/New Order sound. Label pushed them to jump on the bandwagon. Fake ass bitches! The Bravery = music for people who are too lazy to switch off the radio and discover music on their own. Not that the Killers are any better. You people realize this is a FAD and these bands won't make it to album 3 in the public eye.

I can vouch for that.

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Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: the bravery are a manufactured band. the singer was in Skabba the Hut, a ska band at the start of the wholesale pillaging of PostPunk/New Order sound. Label pushed them to jump on the bandwagon. Fake ass bitches! The Bravery = music for people who are too lazy to switch off the radio and discover music on their own. Not that the Killers are any better. You people realize this is a FAD and these bands won't make it to album 3 in the public eye.

who cares if sam was in a ska band? he also used to have long hair and wear a baseball cap! perhaps the image is a bit contrived, but he's always been very into music and being a musician. why take digs at him for that? if you don't like them, fair enough. but sam writes his own music.

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Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: the bravery are a manufactured band. the singer was in Skabba the Hut, a ska band at the start of the wholesale pillaging of PostPunk/New Order sound. Label pushed them to jump on the bandwagon. Fake ass bitches! The Bravery = music for people who are too lazy to switch off the radio and discover music on their own. Not that the Killers are any better. You people realize this is a FAD and these bands won't make it to album 3 in the public eye.

You're overanalysing it and being a bit snooty about the whole thing. I picked up the CD for less than a tenner, put it on and the first couple of tunes sound pretty good to my ears.

That's all that counts really, and I'm more than capable of discovering my own music thanks.

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AgentWood wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: the bravery are a manufactured band. the singer was in Skabba the Hut, a ska band at the start of the wholesale pillaging of PostPunk/New Order sound. Label pushed them to jump on the bandwagon. Fake ass bitches! The Bravery = music for people who are too lazy to switch off the radio and discover music on their own. Not that the Killers are any better. You people realize this is a FAD and these bands won't make it to album 3 in the public eye.

who cares if sam was in a ska band? he also used to have long hair and wear a baseball cap! perhaps the image is a bit contrived, but he's always been very into music and being a musician. why take digs at him for that? if you don't like them, fair enough. but sam writes his own music.

you may not care because you know him, but credibility does matter to me. The Bravery are on the 2nd wave of this sound and quite obviously switched their sound to sell more records. this is dishonest to me, regardless of whether he wrote his own songs or not. they are so obviously dressed and directed by record label personnel in order to appeal to 17year old girls who live for MTV and what's worse is they are going along with it like puppets rather than making the music they want to make. if new Order had come out with a Grunge record in 93 instead of Republic, i would have slated them for that too. the point is, these guys are pawns in a record labels game and happily so, therefore not deserving of my time. if others here don't care about the sort of things that matter to me, then fair play. no one is forcing me to listen and no one really cares what i think but i enjoy expressing my polarizing opinions.

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Ally3000 wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: the bravery are a manufactured band. the singer was in Skabba the Hut, a ska band at the start of the wholesale pillaging of PostPunk/New Order sound. Label pushed them to jump on the bandwagon. Fake ass bitches! The Bravery = music for people who are too lazy to switch off the radio and discover music on their own. Not that the Killers are any better. You people realize this is a FAD and these bands won't make it to album 3 in the public eye.

You're overanalysing it and being a bit snooty about the whole thing. I picked up the CD for less than a tenner, put it on and the first couple of tunes sound pretty good to my ears.

That's all that counts really, and I'm more than capable of discovering my own music thanks.

I can hear the sound of men in suits at Island Records high-fiving.

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Ok, this reminds me a lot of David Bowie, the musical Chameleon. People change, no one seems to hate Bowie for it. And by the way, if I had a full band right now and an electric guitar I would be doing the same thing. I love New Order, and even if thats the in thing I'd be making electro rock too. I think what seperates the Bravery is the fact that they can be distinguished from the other bands by there sound. Sure its layered with techno but you can still here hints of Ska in it, and the vocals are quite good as well. Brandon flowers sound quite weird to me. In my opinion if you write your own music and do all your own stuff and it sounds good to boot you can do whatever you want to, even if its a trend. Who knows, they may be around for 6 more albums. Bands tend to reinvent themselves sometimes, like Blur and like New Order. So lets just enjoy the ride, what can we do anyway? We can only wait for something else to come along. Which is just what this is, something else than before.

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you don't recall the mounds of shit Bowie got for making a Drum and Bass tune? it's pointless anyway, music can be overanalyzed or enjoyed for what it is, either way we win in the end.

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Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: I can hear the sound of men in suits at Island Records high-fiving.

NOOL musical snob contest?

I think we have a winner :uhoh:

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Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: the bravery are a manufactured band. the singer was in Skabba the Hut, a ska band at the start of the wholesale pillaging of PostPunk/New Order sound. Label pushed them to jump on the bandwagon. Fake ass bitches! The Bravery = music for people who are too lazy to switch off the radio and discover music on their own. Not that the Killers are any better. You people realize this is a FAD and these bands won't make it to album 3 in the public eye.

who cares if sam was in a ska band? he also used to have long hair and wear a baseball cap! perhaps the image is a bit contrived, but he's always been very into music and being a musician. why take digs at him for that? if you don't like them, fair enough. but sam writes his own music.

you may not care because you know him, but credibility does matter to me. The Bravery are on the 2nd wave of this sound and quite obviously switched their sound to sell more records. this is dishonest to me, regardless of whether he wrote his own songs or not. they are so obviously dressed and directed by record label personnel in order to appeal to 17year old girls who live for MTV and what's worse is they are going along with it like puppets rather than making the music they want to make. if new Order had come out with a Grunge record in 93 instead of Republic, i would have slated them for that too. the point is, these guys are pawns in a record labels game and happily so, therefore not deserving of my time. if others here don't care about the sort of things that matter to me, then fair play. no one is forcing me to listen and no one really cares what i think but i enjoy expressing my polarizing opinions.

:

:clap:

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Ally3000 wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: I can hear the sound of men in suits at Island Records high-fiving.

NOOL musical snob contest?

I think we have a winner :uhoh:

Thank you, thank you all so much. First of all, none of this would be possible without the guidance of Jesus Christ, my personal saviour. Next, i'd like to say thanks to my mother for believing in me even when i was listening to Culture Club and Kiss. And finally, i'd like to thank all of you, for it's you i truly love to piss off. I'd actually be doing work right now if it weren't for this forum. For that, i'm eternally grateful.

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Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

Ally3000 wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: I can hear the sound of men in suits at Island Records high-fiving.

NOOL musical snob contest?

I think we have a winner :uhoh:

Thank you, thank you all so much

Did I mention your prize is a six month vacation from NOOL?

Congrats, we've packed your bags and ordered the taxi.

Sayonara!

:evil4:

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i'm starting a new band called The Snobbery. Our sound will be a cross between Coldplay and Missy Elliot with a bit of Gang of Four thrown in for good measure. Featuring guest vocalists Damon from Blur and that cocksucker from Radiohead. Our label will pay radio stations to play our songs and our video will be stylishly shot and immediately placed on heavy rotation on MTV.

*Subject to change in order to fully capitalize on the current musical trend.

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Did you see that TWAT Brandon singing Crystal with No at T in the Park.

I need a new telly after that

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Ally3000 wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

Ally3000 wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: I can hear the sound of men in suits at Island Records high-fiving.

NOOL musical snob contest?

I think we have a winner :uhoh:

Thank you, thank you all so much

Did I mention your prize is a six month vacation from NOOL?

Congrats, we've packed your bags and ordered the taxi.

Sayonara!

:evil4:

Leaving, on a jet plane i can't recall the day when i last pissed off you what's the use in complaining when people are so easily led you work your way to the top of the charts by doing what the label says...

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Ally3000 wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote:

Ally3000 wrote:

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: I can hear the sound of men in suits at Island Records high-fiving.

NOOL musical snob contest?

I think we have a winner :uhoh:

Thank you, thank you all so much

Did I mention your prize is a six month vacation from NOOL?

Congrats, we've packed your bags and ordered the taxi.

Sayonara!

:evil4:

for real? You call it snobberry, i call it creditability. Forgive me, but art is nothing without originality. The bravery is nothing i havent heard 1,00o times. Same with the killers.

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ally. biz. tomorrow. high noon. in front of the courthouse.

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