2006 NO album

What do you think the style of the yet untitled new album being released in 2006 should be like - personally i think they should make it more for NO fans and not try to appeal to a new younger pop audience as well, like i think WFTSC is....

I think they need to start doing drugs again to bring out the darker side like from the early days.

Also as some people have said i agree that they need another song with a one word title ending in ion.

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I think there are maybe 2 or 3 songs specially made to get the new peeps into the band though it's very hard for me to imagine those people buying the cd, more like they would pick up the single only and that's about it. Fat chance that someone will get into NO just because they heard, say Jetstream on the radio or telly. And as for the 2006 album, it would probably sound pretty much the same like the Sirens. You can't expect the band that's been around for 25 years to drasticlly change the music, can you? I'm just so pleased that they're still doing it the best way they can.

I'd imagine its more or less in the same vein as the one just out. They were recorded at the same time in the same studio so its unlikely that there'll be any big changes. Just more Turns and less Jetstreams will do me.

When they say they have 7 songs "nailed" for the next album do they mean these songs have actually been recorded and mixed?.Or do they mean they are written but have yet to be recorded?.

They must find it hard that if the songs are completed or whatever they have to resist the urge to play them live until the album`s release campaign/tour

I heard that they scrapped several songs because they sound too much like The Killers.

Is this

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Chris Nash wrote: Why try getting new fans in the twilight years, when most under 25's say, 'New Who?'

ahem!!!

however, i agree that it should be much much less produced, i love the stripped down sound and i think they could recapture that without trying to go backwards in anyway

Yeah in an NME interview with The Killers back in 2004 they claimed New Order indeed had scrapped a few songs because they sounded like Mr.Brightside and Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine.

Chris Nash wrote: I'd love it if the next album was far more guitar based and darker. Why try getting new fans in the twilight years, when most under 25's say, 'New Who?' Give us something that harks back to the wonderful depths of Movement, PCL and Low Life. Forget the Technique and Republic synth bollocks. Leave it to the poofs like the Pet Shop Boys.

Give us loud, dark and nasty!!!!

For a lot of their career, they've been blending guitar sounds and synth sounds. I like it when they do that. I personally hate heavy metal music and most rock music anyways, (although the guitar driven New Order tracks don't bother me much, maybe it's Bernard's voice.) so I don't want them to act all "we're alternative rock!!!" or anything like that. I dislike rock music in general, but I love synthpop or anything influenced by synthpop. However, I still can't wait for their 2006 album.

I agree with the idea of bringing back they dark side. I mean Get Ready seemed like such a good thing! And then wftsc comes out, I was a bit disappointed personally. I hope they try to bring back that edge they had (it was on get ready!). Besides Movement had great synth, and PCL to me is the definition of "the perfect amount of synth". Although Low Life is not going to well with me, I love Sun Rise and Perfect Kiss. the thing I miss about the technique & Republic era is the complexity the music seemed to have. So in my dreams, the new album would contain the darkness, the complexity, the balance, the edge, and the mood. wftsc seems to be missing darkness, edge, and complexity. I also can't say much for its mood. One last bit, when bernard rules NO we get Jetstream. I bet Hooky would give us what we want! Rock!

I think the darkness really lies in hooky...

I think Low-life was the last album that still had a dominant dark edge to it.

we do see them transforming on this album into the synth pop that they became known for in the 80's but there was always a darkness there until republic.

hooky needs tracks that display his bass more and i also think they need the old drum set back...i liked the tinny sound that steve used to have when playing...you can hear all this slightly on the title track WFTSC. This is the closest thing to a throwback NO track and I think it's the best one in a long time.

I also think we need Gillian back...she had a dark sense on the synths...listen to PCL and low-life.

Overall I don't expect them to change for me or us...If they did that they wouldnt be NO doing it their way but I think for us loyal fans it would be kool to get those moods back.

I hate to say it but i think they're too happy and might need some tragedy...I won't go there though.

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New Order's new album won't sound predominantly dark if the songs will be produced by Brian Higgins and Tore Johansson as has been mentioned. Or do you peeps think Girls Aloud is a goth band perhaps?

And what's this about New Order being dark until Republic? Surely Republic is one of their darker albums, it was written when they thought everything they knew was falling apart and that's what they told all about throughout the album.

For the next one, I hope they go the way of cheerful dance music. Bring the beat back!

Well they've been to the very dark Movement to the very "jingle" Republic (little bit disturbing at the time with the "sound", not about songs) and now we're back to something more equilibrate… As far as I know, they don't use to play unrealised material for there gigs… but I suppose that if they'd really planned to "change" their sound, we should have hear it from the last "tour" ?

I think we can expect to dance (happy side) on their music about story from a guy witch have been left/deceived (dark side) and who drink far to much (and all), but love travelling and enjoy partying, still claims he doesn't care about politic (but do) and don't like the intellectual stuff (but read books and listen to classical music)… all along with guitar/bass and strong drum sound ("let's play loud, people won't hear about what Barney is singing"… HEY, I'M ONLY JOKING !!!)

In a sens, this is what N.O is made from : paradox (guitar and bass + synth), there is more than one person involved in the band and everybody seems satisfied at the moment, that's the more important

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Chris Nash wrote: I'd love it if the next album was far more guitar based and darker. Why try getting new fans in the twilight years, when most under 25's say, 'New Who?' Give us something that harks back to the wonderful depths of Movement, PCL and Low Life. Forget the Technique and Republic synth bollocks. Leave it to the poofs like the Pet Shop Boys.

Give us loud, dark and nasty!!!!

What's wrong with PSB music? I don't think their sexuality has much to do with it, don't know why there is so much anti-gay sentiment around NOOL land, but its sad.

Anyway, I hope 'Waiting for the Siren's Left Overs' is going to be a darker, harder affair, with a couple of synthy Guilt type songs; but we all know it will be the same as WFTSC- A hotch potch of very good songs, but nothing that earth-shattering.

Beach Boy wrote: I agree with the idea of bringing back they dark side. I mean Get Ready seemed like such a good thing! And then wftsc comes out, I was a bit disappointed personally. I hope they try to bring back that edge they had (it was on get ready!). Besides Movement had great synth, and PCL to me is the definition of "the perfect amount of synth". Although Low Life is not going to well with me, I love Sun Rise and Perfect Kiss. the thing I miss about the technique & Republic era is the complexity the music seemed to have. So in my dreams, the new album would contain the darkness, the complexity, the balance, the edge, and the mood. wftsc seems to be missing darkness, edge, and complexity. I also can't say much for its mood. One last bit, when bernard rules NO we get Jetstream. I bet Hooky would give us what we want! Rock!

Technique may not seem like a great album now, but it hit the mood right on at the time. this was when the whole dance/acid explosion was hitting the uk and this blend of dance and rock was brilliant and i think still is - reminds me of my youth! thats the thing with NO to me they've always been quite cutting edge and i dont think WFTSC was, and that dissapointed me...

What's all this "dark" shite? It's always been a mixture of uplifting melodies with lyrics that can be taken however you want them. Even Movement isn't exactly all doom and gloom.

They do poppy stuff; Waiting for The Sirens Call, Guilt is a Useless Emotion, Here to Stay and darker stuff; Crystal, Video 586, Behind Closed Doors and a lot of stuff in between; Confusion, 60 MPH etc...

Surely you've noticed?

When I'm talking about dark I'm talking about the sound found ins songs like LEAVE ME ALONE, Elegia and CEREMONY even the original TEMPTATION 7" is rather dark.

I enjoy the happy stuff too but it seems to be the dominant force on the latest stuff. There's nothing dark about the last 2 albums. The closest would be WFTSC which you can sense it a little bit.

Other than that it's all very upbeat and pop-like. Don't they get depressed anymore??

I'm not saying they have to be miserable but I would just like to see something more of a darker emotion expressed in the music aside from the lyrics.

Part of the reason I love NO is because they didn't sound overly synthed like PSB and DM. The synths complimented Hooky's bass style but didnt overshadow it.

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eCKOh wrote: I think they need to start doing drugs again to bring out the darker side like from the early days.

Oh yes, yes please.

oldmonkey wrote: What's all this "dark" shite? It's always been a mixture of uplifting melodies with lyrics that can be taken however you want them. Even Movement isn't exactly all doom and gloom.

Doom + Gloom = Movement

digitalwaters wrote:

Chris Nash wrote: I'd love it if the next album was far more guitar based and darker. Why try getting new fans in the twilight years, when most under 25's say, 'New Who?' Give us something that harks back to the wonderful depths of Movement, PCL and Low Life. Forget the Technique and Republic synth bollocks. Leave it to the poofs like the Pet Shop Boys.

Give us loud, dark and nasty!!!!

What's wrong with PSB music? I don't think their sexuality has much to do with it, don't know why there is so much anti-gay sentiment around NOOL land, but its sad.

Anyway, I hope 'Waiting for the Siren's Left Overs' is going to be a darker, harder affair, with a couple of synthy Guilt type songs; but we all know it will be the same as WFTSC- A hotch potch of very good songs, but nothing that earth-shattering.

The Pet Shop Boys were a great band and The Killers are a great band. Why do people feel the need to knock other bands all the time? New Order arent the only band on the planet.It would be boring if they were.

Johnny wrote: Yeah in an NME interview with The Killers back in 2004 they claimed New Order indeed had scrapped a few songs because they sounded like Mr.Brightside and Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine.

This really scares me. I hope it was an example of their machurian sarcasm.

BufferLow wrote:

eCKOh wrote: I think they need to start doing drugs again to bring out the darker side like from the early days.

Oh yes, yes please.

DRUGS ARE BAD!!!

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i wouldnt recommend drugs for anybody almost 50 yrs old. Just ask blue order.

leeharveyoswaldR.I.P.1963 wrote: i wouldnt recommend drugs for anybody almost 50 yrs old. Just ask blue order.

Maybe NO is taking the wrong drugs...possibly VIAGRA so they're getting laid alot and they're too happy...thus the happy poppy music.

I always make better mixes when I'm gettin it on the regular.

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eCKOh wrote:

leeharveyoswaldR.I.P.1963 wrote: i wouldnt recommend drugs for anybody almost 50 yrs old. Just ask blue order.

Maybe NO is taking the wrong drugs...possibly VIAGRA so they're getting laid alot and they're too happy...thus the happy poppy music.

I always make better mixes when I'm gettin it on the regular.

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In that case, they should refrain from coke. Its bad for booty calls.

at the end of the day i'm sure NO would really love to put out a groundbreaking earth-shattering new album and i'm sure they could if they really tried (and got depressed/took loads of drugs/got pissed/hated everyone etc) but:- A) there happy people now B) they've got a record company who want them to be poptastic(not like factory...) such is life...

I think they should do something more like Joy division or Revenge, carry on what they started.

NO Regret wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: What's all this "dark" shite? It's always been a mixture of uplifting melodies with lyrics that can be taken however you want them. Even Movement isn't exactly all doom and gloom.

Doom + Gloom = Movement

Yeah thats a great argument

Richard Latanville wrote: I think they should do something more like Joy division or Revenge, carry on what they started.

Why? If they dont feel in that place (and how can they at this point?) they shouldnt force themselves. The music will come naturally. People harping on about 'dark' songs forget that New order have never limited themselves to a certain type of music. I don't expect an album to top what they did in the eighties but we can at least hope for a few brilliant efforts like we've got from the last two offerings.

They should do an album of JD covers (even though they'd be covering themselves).

Every time they re-record a JD song, as NO, it sounds amazing!

Go on lads - cash in!

Maybe this would be worth doing in conjunction with the film release of control.

Really sad the PSB "poofy" thing. Who thinks in that way is a miserable.

Especially as NO have done so much work with gay artists!

Maybe this person has never heard of a side project called "Electronic"

New Order hate Procession...particularly Bernard ;)

Angel with a Catapult wrote: New Order hate Procession...particularly Bernard ;)

Why? It's always been one of my favourites.

Wasim wrote:

Richard Latanville wrote: I think they should do something more like Joy division or Revenge, carry on what they started.

Why? If they dont feel in that place (and how can they at this point?) they shouldnt force themselves. The music will come naturally. People harping on about 'dark' songs forget that New order have never limited themselves to a certain type of music. I don't expect an album to top what they did in the eighties but we can at least hope for a few brilliant efforts like we've got from the last two offerings.

Well said, however we're not asking them to do things we're merely expressing what we would like to see them do.

It's more fantasy and wishing than anything else.

That's why I said maybe they need some tragedy or some drugs...Is that really going to happen???

This is what they are and I doubt anyone on here is gonna stop listening to them.

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Because it's such a 'nancy' song - definitely not one of my favourites.

Procession wasn't that great.

Sounds like something they were just toying with.

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digitalwaters wrote:

Chris Nash wrote: I'd love it if the next album was far more guitar based and darker. Why try getting new fans in the twilight years, when most under 25's say, 'New Who?' Give us something that harks back to the wonderful depths of Movement, PCL and Low Life. Forget the Technique and Republic synth bollocks. Leave it to the poofs like the Pet Shop Boys.

Give us loud, dark and nasty!!!!

What's wrong with PSB music? I don't think their sexuality has much to do with it, don't know why there is so much anti-gay sentiment around NOOL land, but its sad.

Anyway, I hope 'Waiting for the Siren's Left Overs' is going to be a darker, harder affair, with a couple of synthy Guilt type songs; but we all know it will be the same as WFTSC- A hotch potch of very good songs, but nothing that earth-shattering.

hear, hear!

Fellow NOOLers writing in a slightly unpleasant way about "poofs" is far from acceptable.

I thought/hoped most NO fans were smarter than that.

Not sure what all the gay beef is about but I don't think it's relevant to the music more than it is a cooncidence that PSB and ERASURE are gay with very happy upbeat music even if the lyrics may be down and out.

I think it's a poor analogy between gays and music.

You don't have to be gay to make good dance music.

I forgot what I was talking about to begin...

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I don't think they are going to do anything especially dark again. They have families, the band is getting along, they are probably finally starting to enjoy their career in music and financial security, and based on the last two records and respective tours I doubt you'll see a major shift in sound again.

Unlike other bands where I pine for the past, I'm quite alright with what NO are doing now. I was a fan in the 80's but I discovered just how great they were in the 90's, and thought I'd never see the band live. I've traveled twice to see them since 2001, and it's great to see them enjoying themselves -- unlike the countless bootlegs where it seems they'd rather be anywhere else. If you consider the big picture it's amazing what they've overcome to put out an album as strong as WFTSC.

My only qualm with them at this point: before this tour began Hooky said they were pulling some jems out of the catalog. What happened? The set is almost identical to the 2001 shows, and for a band with such an astounding catalog that's a shame. I'm sick of BLT, TF, and YSF. If Blue Monday is so annoying stop playing it... A Perfect Kiss, Dead Souls, or anything off of 1981-82 would leave people in utter disbelief.

God willing Hooky will get his wish: a set as Joy Division, a set as New Order. I can't imagine a place I wouldn't travel to see that.

There are more under 25 NO fans than you might guess. And it's the classics that got 'em hooked.

Here, here! At 16 I'm loving joy division / new order. And it is the classics that got me hooked. Ceremony, Temptation, Perfect Kiss, Your silent face, From safety to where, the eternal, ice age.... where does it end? I also love procession, It's beyond me why the band don't like it.

regarding 2006, I dont think NO are influenced much my their record company, I think theyre pretty firm in their bliefs and wont be influenced to any great extent by the wishes of the record company - I think they couldnt give a toss what the record company think. I might be wrong.

I'd love some dance tracks from NO, but I'll be happy with whatever they produce. I think what they produce comes from them and where they are at at the time, that's what I want to hear. I don't think they're bowing to pressure, they don't seem like theyd be that way.

They’re going to continue doing what they have always done – whatever the fuck they please.

And more to the point, everyone is going to continue loving them. If they can pick up a few under-25s along the way, all the better.

As a 32 year old who has been a complete fan since the age of about 12 (yes – very progressive musical taste as a child..) it would seem to me that their sound has changed that many times without much in the way of a decline in the fan base.

If anything, they might have been better served promoting themselves a bit better than they have done over the years, but there again, they didn’t give a fuck.

I remain 100% sold on New Order whatever they do. In fact, they could whistle Dixie at this point and I would still hang on….. ;)

mil wrote: Here, here! At 16 I'm loving joy division / new order. And it is the classics that got me hooked. Ceremony, Temptation, Perfect Kiss, Your silent face, From safety to where, the eternal, ice age.... where does it end? I also love procession, It's beyond me why the band don't like it.

regarding 2006, I dont think NO are influenced much my their record company, I think theyre pretty firm in their bliefs and wont be influenced to any great extent by the wishes of the record company - I think they couldnt give a toss what the record company think. I might be wrong.

I'd love some dance tracks from NO, but I'll be happy with whatever they produce. I think what they produce comes from them and where they are at at the time, that's what I want to hear. I don't think they're bowing to pressure, they don't seem like theyd be that way.

I agree- NO are under zero pressure from the record company, they are one of Warner's 'trophy' bands- the back catalogue is a constant trickle of profit and the quid pro quo is that NO do what they want when they want, hence an eight year gap between albums (Republic and Get Ready)...

Actually, I think they DO care about being a current band and not just a greatest hits tour. They did more promotion around "Jetstream" than their first several albums!

I don't mean that to be a bad thing. If they didn't care we wouldn't be getting solid records and some attempt at a tour. And if they can make some scratch in the process right on, hopefully they can enjoy some of the rewards Factory pissed away in the 1980s.

Kids I'm at university with - 20 to 25 year olds - are all more impressed with classics, Joy Division are still highly regarded (a lad uses the Ian with a cigarette picture in his avatar at the faculty forum), a lio of them liked Get Ready, but they were very unimpressed with Sirens. If they're trying to bge commercial to attract young following, they're doing the exact opposite.

Mike Rink wrote:

My only qualm with them at this point: before this tour began Hooky said they were pulling some jems out of the catalog. What happened? The set is almost identical to the 2001 shows, and for a band with such an astounding catalog that's a shame. I'm sick of BLT, TF, and YSF. If Blue Monday is so annoying stop playing it... A Perfect Kiss, Dead Souls, or anything off of 1981-82 would leave people in utter disbelief.

God willing Hooky will get his wish: a set as Joy Division, a set as New Order. I can't imagine a place I wouldn't travel to see that.

Couldn't agree with you more

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Mike Rink wrote:

My only qualm with them at this point: before this tour began Hooky said they were pulling some jems out of the catalog. What happened? The set is almost identical to the 2001 shows, and for a band with such an astounding catalog that's a shame. I'm sick of BLT, TF, and YSF. If Blue Monday is so annoying stop playing it... A Perfect Kiss, Dead Souls, or anything off of 1981-82 would leave people in utter disbelief.

God willing Hooky will get his wish: a set as Joy Division, a set as New Order. I can't imagine a place I wouldn't travel to see that.

Couldn't agree with you more

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Yeah...and they could have some of thier instrumental stuff(Elegia, Ecstacy, Murder, ETC) playing during the interval between sets...also, get Hooky to sing some of the JD stuff instead of Barney.

Shergold Six wrote:

Yeah...and they could have some of thier instrumental stuff(Elegia, Ecstacy, Murder, ETC) playing during the interval between sets...also, get Hooky to sing some of the JD stuff instead of Barney.

Again...Dead on!!!

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