Sorry to bring this up but i've definitely decided that New Order need Gillian back in the band. Phil just isn't happening. Maybe when her kids are old enough she may be able to participate.
Any thoughts?
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Phill-in's really grown on me, especially as his musical ability has degenerated and he's learned to piss interviewers off.
but it cannot be denied that I would dearly love to see the lovely gills and her performing sand[1] again.
[1]that's how I shut folkies up when they whine about their bloody lute being "real" and my machines being unnatural and evil....."I make music with sand, rocks and animal bones, how much more fucking natural can you get" (sand for chips, rocks for casing metals and animal bones for plastic)
I miss her too; seems particularly unfair when she doesn't step up to the podium with the rest of the band when the awards are being shelled out. NO benefitted from the addition of a female head in my opinion.
...but (dons flak jacket) maybe Dawn Zee could be adopted...
Apart from standing there getting notes wrong and looking quite hot from time to time during the good old days, i completely fail to see what Gillian brings to the party. At least phil is competent at playing his instrument...
Yes,
There is a unique synergy with a female member in the mix. Phil is a very loose and remarkable player but his comments in the latest guitar player trouble me! -don't speak for others -shut up and show some respect.
B is very ,very, modest in that interview-he is a shit hot player-as is gillian.I love female players on guitar they can show the guys a thing or 2 in terms of ego and playing in a musical way.
The line up for me is S.G.P.B!
Michael Tierney from band Solarland,Australia.
25.8.05
I've really got used to Phil following the tour, I think he is totally suitable in my humble opinion. Thank God he is a Northerner!
Do miss Gillian though, her outfits and shyness - and it was good to have a bird in the band.
Michael (www.michaeltierneydesign.com) Tierney of (MTD Band) :) (Australia,Queensland) ;) wrote: Yes,
There is a unique synergy with a female member in the mix. Phil is a very loose and remarkable player but his comments in the latest guitar player trouble me! -don't speak for others -shut up and show some respect.
B is very ,very, modest in that interview-he is a shit hot player-as is gillian.I love female players on guitar they can show the guys a thing or 2 in terms of ego and playing in a musical way.
The line up for me is S.G.P.B!
Michael Tierney from band Solarland,Australia.
25.8.05
Your post name is fookin stupid. Cut it down.
Uncle Liam wrote:
Michael (www.michaeltierneydesign.com) Tierney of (MTD Band) :) (Australia,Queensland) ;) wrote: Yes,
There is a unique synergy with a female member in the mix. Phil is a very loose and remarkable player but his comments in the latest guitar player trouble me! -don't speak for others -shut up and show some respect.
B is very ,very, modest in that interview-he is a shit hot player-as is gillian.I love female players on guitar they can show the guys a thing or 2 in terms of ego and playing in a musical way.
The line up for me is S.G.P.B!
Michael Tierney from band Solarland,Australia.
25.8.05
Your post name is fookin stupid. Cut it down.
What a nice welcome...
Still, it is a bit of a mouthful...
I think there's pros and cons. I like the fact it seems more of a 'band' with guitars and stuff but I miss the skill by which Gilliam graced the keyboards. What about having 5 in the group?
They need to bring her back so they can cut down on the use of tapes. Keep Phil so they can have a competent guitar player. Add Dawn Zee so they do not need taped backing vocals.
twist wrote: They need to bring her back so they can cut down on the use of tapes. Keep Phil so they can have a competent guitar player. Add Dawn Zee so they do not need taped backing vocals.
sensible stuff Chris. Plus consider that they need to add a few bum notes into the proceedings, they are far too competent at present.
Michael (www.michaeltierneydesign.com) Tierney of (MTD Band) :) (Australia,Queensland) ;) wrote: Yes,
There is a unique synergy with a female member in the mix. Phil is a very loose and remarkable player but his comments in the latest guitar player trouble me! -don't speak for others -shut up and show some respect.
B is very ,very, modest in that interview-he is a shit hot player-as is gillian.I love female players on guitar they can show the guys a thing or 2 in terms of ego and playing in a musical way.
The line up for me is S.G.P.B!
Michael Tierney from band Solarland,Australia.
25.8.05
Welcome aboard!
And congratulations to the longest nickname in NOOL!
Michael (www.michaeltierneydesign.com) Tierney of (MTD Band) :) (Australia,Queensland) ;) wrote: Yes,
There is a unique synergy with a female member in the mix. Phil is a very loose and remarkable player but his comments in the latest guitar player trouble me! -don't speak for others -shut up and show some respect.
B is very ,very, modest in that interview-he is a shit hot player-as is gillian.I love female players on guitar they can show the guys a thing or 2 in terms of ego and playing in a musical way.
The line up for me is S.G.P.B!
Michael Tierney from band Solarland,Australia.
25.8.05
what comments does Phil make, you say that he speaks for the others - is he not allowed to speak? perhaps he is considered inferior and should know his place? Rubbish.
As for Gillian showing the guys a thing or two, it has not happened yet sadly but I still agree with your New Order line-up. Welcome to NOOL Mick
I can't find this article on the site- another example of my burgeoning stupidity I guess...
Where is it?
Gillian produced a special synth sound I feel that sound has been lost and replaced with more guitar sound with Phil joining the band. Hasn't anyone picked this up ?
With Gil in the band there would have been more synth sound. Now that she's gone the whole album resulted in a more guitar based sound , maybe that's what the band members wanted ?
Solitude wrote: As for Gillian showing the guys a thing or two, it has not happened yet sadly
She must have shown Steve a thing or two, and i bet Hooky had a butchers too!!!
I agree that the band lacks something without her, not to put down Phil at all, a certain level of unproffesionalism adds to the music, most of the early synth stuff was born out of fuck ups, without them there would be no blue monday, without that their musical carears would have probably been a lot shorter.
I want her back, too. The presence of Gillian added to the unpredictability of the live shows...she was just as much of a part of the culture of sloppy playing as everyone else (except for Steve, who never screws anything up). Maybe it was out of tribute to Gillian, but I don't understand why they don't have a full-time live keyboardist. Yes, they needed an extra guitarist, but why can't they add an extra body? The guitar stuff must be more of a philosophical decision to eschew keyboards for now than anything else.
And yes, the lack of Gillian when they accepted the lifetime achievement award is inexcusable.
put things in perspective: gillian has more important things to think about that new order at the moment! i'd like to see her back, as well, but it's not going to happen!
as for phil, the new guy at school always gets scrutinized (at best) and stuffed into lockers (at worst). at least the band found some way to make it work; it may not be ideal, but they're still together, still making music, and still touring (hopefully at least one more time).
at least they've managed to keep the same drummer all these years. that's a pretty extraordinary feat!
Ah I wondered where this month's Bring Back Gillian thread was!
Even Gillian must be getting bored of these threads...
I miss her so much!
Gillian was really essential part of New Order magick.
Phil is too pro, with him they have lost the feel of danger.Now there is only Barney and Hooky playing bum notes.
And her presence was so majestic.
Welcome to the board, Michael! Always nice to see new people around here. I wish Gillian would come back too; I do miss having her in the band. Why don't they bring her back but keep Phil on too, as someone else (forgotten who, sorry) suggested? That way, everyone would be happy.
Jim Bob wrote: Nothing wrong with a fivesome, is there? Keep Phil and bring back Gillian!
Good call!! I do miss Gillian.When she went,the old sound went out of the window.I'd love to see a return to that sound.The Order were the best when they appealed both to the guitar freeks and the cool electro mob.
Andrew Pastor wrote:
And yes, the lack of Gillian when they accepted the lifetime achievement award is inexcusable.
YOu mean the NME thing? She was there, on the stage when they accepted the award, she stayed in the background to the right-side talking to PSB's if my memory is working today.
for some reason I got the impression that gillian had a calming influence on bernard- i don't know why! But another good reason to want her back. not going to happen though.
I read that there was a lot of antagonism between them; allegedly he used to question her usefulness...
Hopefully this is just a distortion / exaggeration...
Can't remember where I read it thou'
Yes!!! Get her back up there...
No disrespect to Phil but she definitely brought something extraordinary to the band...kool dark synths and a rather childish shyness that they were known for...and I think they had more of a bumpy ride back then which made them just that more interesting expecially in their music...Something was lost when she left...They're a little more predictable now with so much of a guitar based foundation.
I go with the 5 as well.
I think if Gillian were to step out on stage we'd all go nuts!!!
((((e))))
digitalwaters wrote: I read that there was a lot of antagonism between them; allegedly he used to question her usefulness...
thats so rude! i hope its not true
lucy anna wrote:
digitalwaters wrote: I read that there was a lot of antagonism between them; allegedly he used to question her usefulness...
thats so rude! i hope its not true
"Don`t break ya back Gillian" Bernard,sarcastically, at Zurich Volkshaus 04/84
B was very out of order with this comment which was towards Gillian apparantly being slow sorting some piece of equipment out.New Order are not the same with Phil.But ,you know ,shit happens.Life aint always how you want it.End of
Yeah, get her back in the fold. She`s still a babe. When I was young I would only date girls who looked like Gillian..... difficult times for me, the eighties.
AgentWood wrote: put things in perspective: gillian has more important things to think about that new order at the moment! i'd like to see her back, as well, but it's not going to happen!
as for phil, the new guy at school always gets scrutinized (at best) and stuffed into lockers (at worst). at least the band found some way to make it work; it may not be ideal, but they're still together, still making music, and still touring (hopefully at least one more time).
at least they've managed to keep the same drummer all these years. that's a pretty extraordinary feat!
This has to be the most considered and sensible post I've ever read on here... What the hell's happening!?!
lucy anna wrote: for some reason I got the impression that gillian had a calming influence on bernard- i don't know why! But another good reason to want her back. not going to happen though.
What, you mean she used to stop him dancing?
well id love to see gillian back up on stage and in studio as well with the band as i do think she contributed to the music we have all loved over the past 20 odd years(ie: helping to keep mr sumner under control ect). that said id like to see phil left in as well as he has ceratinly added some long needed pazaaaz to new orders guitar playing,not that barns not up to it but live he struggles to play and sing which he freely admits. it would be nice to see gillian free phil up from keyboard and allow him to take heat of barney who even finds it hard to remember the words (autocue?). and leave dawn zee i as backing vocals along with gillian. if i ever went to a gig or heard an album with that line up id die a happy man.
you fail to see what gillian brings to the party eh? well have you listened to bizarre love triangle string section recently off the brotherhood album? and that was back in 1986. she definately brought fine time to the party as well back in 1989.
bondy 05.
keep on keeping on.
Yeah you only have to listen to The Other Two & You,and Superhighways to hear what she brings to the sound of NO.Hopefully when the little mites are grown up,she may reconsider.
It aint happening folks- her children need her more than we do. NO can get by without her - just a different sound -but still NO
I want her back, too! If it was possible, of course. Since they wanted Phil on, let it be that way. Although I still don't think Phil should have been added as a full member of the band - he could be just as Dawn Zee, just helping doing his parts onstage. But they wanted it that way, so let him stay.
Miss Disco wrote: Why don't they bring her back but keep Phil on too, as someone else (forgotten who, sorry) suggested?
Hello. (aaack! gay smiley)
Phil's just been boring me with his "I LUV 2 PLAY GITTAR SO THATS ALL I WILL DO" crap, so my outlook is now one hell of a lot less nice...! 
