The Singles - Initial Press release - TURN to be a single...

Spotnick wrote: NEW ORDER NEW ORDER TO RELEASE FIRST EVER DEFINITIVE COLLECTION On October 3rd New Order will be releasing a definitive collection of all of their singles to date. ‘Singles’ is the ultimate anthology of the works of one of the most exceptional and groundbreaking British bands to date. Drawing from twenty four years worth of remarkable recorded material, ‘Singles’ compiles every single released by the band in chronological order. The only way to own all the tracks on ‘Singles’ would be to have purchased every New Order single released in their career. ‘Singles’ displays just what New Order are so good at – creating the perfect pop singles that have crossed over to become ideal moments in music over the last twenty four years. Where as previous collections have focused on the different elements of New Order, ‘Singles’ is the first time that the bands definitive works have been laid out to create this classic New Order collection. Tracklisting is as follows: Disc 1 Disc 2

1. Ceremony 1. Blue Monday
2. Procession 2. Fine Time
3. Everything’s Gone Green 3. Round and Round
4. Temptation 4. Run2
5. Blue Monday 5. World in Motion
6. Confusion 6. Regret
7. Thieves Like Us 7. Ruined in a Day
8. Perfect Kiss 8. World (Price of Love)
9. Subculture 9. Spooky
10. Shellshock 10. Crystal
11. State of Nation 11. 60 MPH
12. BLT 12. Here To Stay
13. True Faith 13. Krafty
14. 1963 14. Jetstream
15. Touched By the Hand of God 15. Waiting For the Sirens Call 16. Turn

I'll format that later ;)

OK Kool but something is wrong here...

CD 1 Track 5 and CD 2 Track 1...

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Blah Blah tracks still missing Blah Blah...

And 'Turn' instead of 'Guilt'...

Nnnnnoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both should be on there

Take out BM '88 for christ's sake...

One Blue Monday is enough

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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((((e)))) wrote: Both should be on there

Take out BM '88 for christ's sake...

One Blue Monday is enough

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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Here, here!

Spotty:

I did start a thread; Turn vs. Guilt and Guilt won (although I was using a different author name back then)...

I think if Turn is being released, then there is no chance at all, whatsoever, of Guilt being released.

(again)

However, I will live in hope of a mini 12" release of Guilt mixes ala 'Someone Like You'.

I'll ask around the DJ world to see if anyone knows of any whites being pressed up.

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Cheers; ask them as well; how would the only UK fan of 'Guilt' get a copy?

digitalwaters wrote: Cheers; ask them as well; how would the only UK fan of 'Guilt' get a copy?

If I get a hold of anything I'll let you guys know and maybe someone can help me get it to you guys.

I'm prehistoric I still use turntables and record to CDs.

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Was Vanishing Point never released as a single

I just realized that they may use the vocal version of Thieves Like Us

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Heard about the mix on the US WFTSC- I'm not paying again for WFTSC just to get 1 guilt remix thou'

I'd be a happy boy if it was a double 'a' with Turn (in the UK as well as abroad); that would probably please everyone...

you know something...you may just see remixes of Guilt on the WFTSC 12" if they do the 2 packs which a lot of record companies do these days cause it saves them money.

Spot...maybe someone over at Warner can enlighten us??

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Substance but instead of remixes as disc 2, they have the singles from the 'worst' album , Get Ready and WTFSC. :/ I'm not going to buy it just for Run 2 that I want to hear. :D

Spotnick wrote:

((((e)))) wrote: you know something...you may just see remixes of Guilt on the WFTSC 12" if they do the 2 packs which a lot of record companies do these days cause it saves them money.

Spot...maybe someone over at Warner can enlighten us??

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Not yet, I got this through the official press relation company, they clearly said a more consistant press release would be available later (hence why it says "Initial" press release)

But let's be honest here...

1. We know there will be no b-sides
2. You just can't remix Turn... I just don't see it!
3. What's the most remixable track on WFTSC left over?

Seems evident to me.. but I'm not them! After all, they remixed old songs for WFTSC (on the 7", still waiting for the waiting for the sirens' call tracklisting (woah.. nice pun))

;)

I agree but Guilt is definitely remixable...the one on the US CD is not that great.

A lot can be done with that track.

I'm not even sure how remixable WFTSC is to be perfectly honest.

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Spotnick wrote:

Marc wrote: Substance but instead of remixes as disc 2, they have the singles from the 'worst' album , Get Ready and WTFSC. :/ I'm not going to buy it just for Run 2 that I want to hear. :D

So Regret and Crystal were bad singles eh?

Not even sure Run 2 will be Run 2, and Temptation 7" might be something you want too... if it's not Temptation 87.. of course.

I don't understand why people are so crazy over RUN 2...It really wasn't anything extraoardinary...just slightly different drums behind the album version. I only bought it because it had MTO on the B-Side

The original Temptation 7" is a must have though.

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I think it's the best single aswell Shugzv,i have to get the 12" version ordered from H.M.V,i like the Singles line up saves me bloody doing cdr's..is that a U.K. realease date there??

Im thinking "guilt" will be released somehow. Alot of promotion for it, not being a single. Remixes, and it is available as a ringtone of my phone. So that is my new ringtone.

i guess it's out with the substance and in with the singles. honestly, it doesn't bother me one way or another whether or not turn is released as a single since i'll never hear it over here anyway!

at least i'll have two nice new CDs to put in my car CD changer.

Marc wrote: Substance but instead of remixes as disc 2, they have the singles from the 'worst' album , Get Ready and WTFSC. :/ I'm not going to buy it just for Run 2 that I want to hear. :D

1)republic is one of their best albums in my opinion. i know that a lot of people won't agree, but i find it listenable all the way through, with strong writing and melodies. whatever. i like it. 2)remixable tracks off of wftsc: i told you so, dracula's castle... come on, they would be much better singles than turn (which i think is a load of shit... maybe i haven't figured that song out yet, but it sounds like nothing special.) even hey now what you doing would be a better single. i say dracula's castle. i know, i know. 3)if you need to sign in before posting, the system puts you back to the home page... then you have to come back and find the thread, find the post you wanted to quote, etc. big waste of time. very frustrating. sometimes i want to post, but because of that, i just dont. is there a good reason for this? something that can be done about it?

Turn is a better song, but Guilt would be a good single because it would have benefited from the multi-remix treatment.

Perhaps the single of Turn will be an extended version backed with Guilt mixes.

At this rate, we'll be getting WFTSC singles right up until the next album.

Yea - right!

jesse steichen wrote: 3)if you need to sign in before posting, the system puts you back to the home page... then you have to come back and find the thread, find the post you wanted to quote, etc. big waste of time. very frustrating. sometimes i want to post, but because of that, i just dont. is there a good reason for this? something that can be done about it?

i'd ask this on the tech forum. more 'tech' people might notice it there and you'd get a faster answer.

Turn being a single may have had something to do with all of our bitching and moaning. "Oh, they already said at the press conference there will only be three singles." Shut up know-it-all British people. Naysayers be damned. The truth is out there.

As I now own every song as far as I'm aware... what's the point in getting this new singles compilation?? Unless there are some hidden gems i.e. alternative versions, stuff like that. I doubt it very much. I'd probably never have complained about such a compilation if 'THe Best Of', and 'International' hadn't been released in the first place. :\ohwell:

I'm really surprised this is coming out in the UK. Really don't see why the record company couldn't just hang on for another year until the next album is out. What they're claiming will be a "definitive" collection will be out of date in less than a year. If they're using the single mixes, there'll be tons of space for another four singles in a year to 18 month's time.

Hey, Spotnick, can't you ask Warner/London to give us the full list of tracks with details of which mixes they're using, so we're not all pulling our hair out for two months wondering if we'll finally get the vinyl 7 inches on CD? Surely someone there must know whcih mixes have been remastered and pulled from the archives??? Can't help but think this'll be 'Substance' plus the recent single versions... Someone tell us for good, and put me out of my misery. Surely by now they at least know the track running times of this comp??

Andy

Just fukkin release GUILT for Heaven's sake

Turn is not worth wasting on a single's release

There better be some damn good remixes on it if it does get released.

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((((e)))) wrote: Just fukkin release GUILT for Heaven's sake

Turn is not worth wasting on a single's release

There better be some damn good remixes on it if it does get released.

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Remixes of Turn? You're having a laugh!

NObabe wrote:

((((e)))) wrote: Just fukkin release GUILT for Heaven's sake

Turn is not worth wasting on a single's release

There better be some damn good remixes on it if it does get released.

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Remixes of Turn? You're having a laugh!

I'm trying to remain positive but since I just listened to it again it is actually possible.

I mean look at JETSTREAM...How horrible was that track until it was remixed...It was originally pure shit in my opinion.

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IMHO, you're getting carried away with this singles matter: the fact that it's called "Singles" (well, doh...) does not mean that we will have the original 7" versions we're all craving for, but just, well, every single New Order has released so far in the versions we all have in the other 387 compilations!

I personnally won't buy it as I have everything but it's a good buy for someone who doesn't.

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this is so weird, the new order dvd "item" on amazon.co.uk is different from the us version, weird

If it should be a definitive collection of all their singles, why is Murder not included?

Does anyone else think this release schedule is one almighty mess?

Who says the Factory ethos is dead?

Maybe the couple of Turn petitions we held on here were noticed by the Management. The major plus point will be to hear Turn live when they promote it. If so TOTP will probably be mimed but something like Jonathan Ross (If they could stand being in that mans company again) may see a live rendition before the next batch of gigs.

My dream has come true!!!! Turn!!!! I always thought Turn was one of their top 3 songs ever made. So to all you Guilt fans out there Ah Ah

I hope this isn't a mean joke by the band.

As for not play the song live, I can see why, there is alot of guitars in the song, and Barney most likely is having trouble with it. But who knows maybe it will show up in the next tour? Just like Run wild did.

By the time Turn comes out, the first single for the next cd should be due a couple months later. Maybe we will have no wait between cds!!!

redeyedboy wrote: Maybe the couple of Turn petitions we held on here were noticed by the Management. The major plus point will be to hear Turn live when they promote it. If so TOTP will probably be mimed but something like Jonathan Ross (If they could stand being in that mans company again) may see a live rendition before the next batch of gigs.

Just hang on there a cotton pickin' minute...

I can't bloody find it now; but I did a thread... 'what should the next single be off WFTSC after the WFTSC single' and GUILT WON. TURN WAS IN 2ND PLACE!

What a waste of time...

Spotnick wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: I'm really surprised this is coming out in the UK. Really don't see why the record company couldn't just hang on for another year until the next album is out. What they're claiming will be a "definitive" collection will be out of date in less than a year. If they're using the single mixes, there'll be tons of space for another four singles in a year to 18 month's time.

I'd like to remind you that International was never released in the UK... all copies you might have seen art imports. (sure, all CDs are from Germany anyways, but it's a Warner France product)

Yeah, I knew that. Not relevant to the point I was making though. They could just hang on until maybe this time next year and release a "more" definitive collection - especially if there won't be another new album for a couple of years after next year's one comes out.

I've a feeling we won't see a brand new album next year, after all...

Andy

almansoglasnost wrote: next question would be: those are edits or 7"? i´m afraid TF94, 1963-94, R&R94 and BLT94 will show their faces one more time. hope not, i´d prefer the 7"s

Well, that press release says: The only way to own all the tracks on Singles would be to have purchased every New Order single released in their career. So, going on that it should be all the original single versions (or 12" versions in some cases perhaps). Surely if 'Item' is coming out, it will correspond with the single versions featured in the videos, more or less - much as the DVD and CD of PSB's 'PopArt' did, albeit with a different running order?

We shall see!

Andy

I just hope we finally get the orignal 'Ceremony' on CD at long bloody last. If they are definitely sticking with 7" versions, it has to be the original, as the re-recorded one only came out on 12".

I dare say there will be a sense of disappointment from the moment the first track plays and it's the one we've had on CDs loads of times.

Actually, I prefer the second version, but it'll just make a great change to hear the original on CD for once!

Andy

Spotnick wrote:

Drawing from twenty four years worth of remarkable recorded material, ‘Singles’ compiles every single released by the band in chronological order.

Of course, if the initial tracklistings for this album are correct, including the '95 Baker Mix of 1963 after 'True Faith' will mean that, technically, this compilation isn't in chronological order, as it should come after 'Spooky'!

Andy

I am glad Turn i son there instead of Guilt, I will scream if Guilt is a single

Richard Latanville wrote: I am glad Turn i son there instead of Guilt, I will scream if Guilt is a single

Scream then!!

lol

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OVER THE MOON that turn is to be a single - the best NO song off the past two albums. Surely they'll have success with that one - can wait for it to be played live!

Spotnick wrote:

What was the point of Depeche Mode releasing "The Singles 86>98" in 1998?

Same thing here!

International was the useless release... this one is a real one.

Unless you bought the recent CD singles with 2 tracks only on them, you don't have the single version of all tracks.

And there might be a few that were never released on single, and many will probably be remastered.

Very true... I have ALMOST all of them then. :p Sod it, I'll buy it then.

Spotnick wrote: While entering the discographic information for that compilation, I just realized that it might actually be a good project, if done well, this CAN be a very interested product.

There are tons of radio edit or single versions I'm not even sure I have, and this will be an opportunity to get them...

(Regret Radio Edit comes to mind)

The 'singles' project looks very nice the way you enter it, Spotnick

Singles

Spotnick wrote:

Janezki wrote: If it should be a definitive collection of all their singles, why is Murder not included?

Because Murder wasn't a single in the UK...

Only in Belgium!

So it's UK singles collection, not all singles collection, now i get it. Thanks.

Spotnick wrote: While entering the discographic information for that compilation, I just realized that it might actually be a good project, if done well, this CAN be a very interested product.

There are tons of radio edit or single versions I'm not even sure I have, and this will be an opportunity to get them...

(Regret Radio Edit comes to mind)

So this isn't the confirmed tracklisting yet then Spotters? Just based on my little list from a few weeks ago, I guess. If it ties in with 'Item', it'll be the album mix of 'Regret' and 'Minimix' of 'Spooky', I'd imagine.

Andy

Spotnick wrote: The only way to own all the tracks on ‘Singles’ would be to have purchased every New Order single released in their career.

I don't think so, if you have Substance, The 1994 Best Of, International and the WFTSC album, you already have all these tracks, unless some versions are different (for example the first Ceremony or something). I'm not convinced Turn will be a single... they'd have waited for this compilation if it was... we'd have known if they planned to release it... I don't know, I just see it as some sort of "extra track" (how rare!) to compensate the fact it wasn't a single... but this way people who buy just the compilation hear this album track... it's placed there to say "and on their new album there's also stuff like this", probably to please the American market... If the singles versions are the usual once again nothing special appears on a compilation... another wasted opportunity, but I hope they do release somthing for their 30th anniversary or after the next album... with rarities... Also Technique now is the only album since Brotherhood which wasn't followed by a compilation... this is ironic as probably a compilation after such a successful album would have helped Factory to survive a bit longer...

Spotnick wrote:

I'm hoping for the Minimux, as I would hope for the Perfecto edit of World ;) As for Regret, I'm kind of expecting the album version.

No, I have not received any tracklisting yet, just like the WFTSC single is a mystery!

Yeah, of course, technically the Perfecto Edit of 'World' was the lead track on the UK CD single, but I always think of the Radio Edit as the main version as it was in the UK video.

Andy

The only way to own all the tracks on ‘Singles’ would be to have purchased every New Order single released in their career

Or just Substance and Best Of...

But that's neither here nor there.

How many different ways can this pathetic lot flog their back catalogue? Who in the world doesnt have these songs in three or four different forms already? Who in the world will buy this hilariously redundant collection of songs which are growing increasingly tarnished the more the band "adds" to their "legacy" with more appalling new work mixed with the endless regurgitation of their past glories? Whats next? A linkup with a mortgage company for their next tour?

Yeesh...

Ajw

Johnny Giles wrote:

AJ Wells wrote:

Whats next?

Ajw

Lets see...more witless diatribe from a middle-aged whinging bore unable to come to terms with the commercial reality of the 21st century and frozen in a yesteryear mindset like a pig stuck in a passage ??

Oh no, just had that.

Spotnick wrote:

rubberlover666 wrote: The only way to own all the tracks on ‘Singles’ would be to have purchased every New Order single released in their career

Or just Substance and Best Of...

But that's neither here nor there.

Substance doesn't feature single versions, it features 12" versions...

Best of features album versions.

Ahhhhhh..shut me up.

Johnny Giles wrote:

AJ Wells wrote:

Whats next?

Lets see...more witless diatribe from a middle-aged whinging bore unable to come to terms with the commercial reality of the 21st century and frozen in a yesteryear mindset like a pig stuck in a passage ?? Oh no, just had that.

Accutally if Nic's right we'll have some versions which are quite rare on CD... probably they'll really use the original 7" versions since I don't see how else they could fit all those songs on two CDs...

Mick Aneworderfan wrote:

Johnny Giles wrote:

AJ Wells wrote:

Whats next?

Lets see...more witless diatribe from a middle-aged whinging bore unable to come to terms with the commercial reality of the 21st century and frozen in a yesteryear mindset like a pig stuck in a passage ?? Oh no, just had that.

Accutally if Nic's right we'll have some versions which are quite rare on CD... probably they'll really use the original 7" versions since I don't see how else they could fit all those songs on two CDs...

If you take the album versions of TPK & BLT, TBTHOG 7", the '95 Baker mix of 1963 and the Substance version for the rest, that should fit

Disc 1

1. Ceremony
2. Procession
3. Everything’s Gone Green
4. Temptation 87
5. Blue Monday
6. Confusion 87
7. Thieves Like Us
8. Perfect Kiss (LP)
9. Subculture
10. Shellshock
11. State of Nation
12. BLT (LP)
13. True Faith
14. 1963 ('95 Baker mix)
15. Touched By the Hand of God (7")

AJ Wells wrote: How many different ways can this pathetic lot flog their back catalogue? Who in the world doesnt have these songs in three or four different forms already? Who in the world will buy this hilariously redundant collection of songs which are growing increasingly tarnished the more the band "adds" to their "legacy" with more appalling new work mixed with the endless regurgitation of their past glories? Whats next? A linkup with a mortgage company for their next tour?

Yeesh...

Ajw

Just let 'em go, AJ. Been hearing this stuff about how bad the band are from you for over half a decade now. Yet one must ask oneself, if you detest them so much, why keep checking their websites and forums for gossip and news..?

Time for closure, I think.

(Sorry, I know we shouldn't encourage him...)

Andy