singles - album & TURN (edit) is on it!!!

hey i work at a radio station and the promo of the new singles album has just been serviced & track 16 on cd 2 is TURN...it also is an edited version which also sounds re-recorded from the album version.

the singles collection also has the original 7" versions of ceremony, everything's gone green, temptation, confusion (7" promo version), thieves like us (7" promo version) & 1963 which clims to be the arthur baaker remix but it is in fact the original 7" true faith b-side version RUN 2 is the 7" promo version, (i think) ...basically they are all 7" single version sapart from blue mondya which is the original 1983 12" version

the whole album sounds great & the turn edit sounds really good!

Hope this helps you lot, with the mystery of the TURN ..single or not?? !

Hi Jase

what you have stated links in with the other thread :

"Singles" promo on EBay -- Turn is listed on it."

the cd-r promo has track 16 on cd2 as 'working overtime'

the 'radio' promo has 'turn' as track 16

and 'turn' will appear on the actual release

obviously somebody had a change of mind somewhere down the line

cheers

Chris

Thank God, at least Blue Monday is the 12" version. I was strickly against the idea of having 7" edit, which, we all know, was never released back in 1983.

Turned out nice again!:\ohwell:

just listened to the whole album again & TURN is definately an edit and very possible slightly remixed or re-recorded!!!and all the tracks are the original 7" edits apart from Blue Monday '83 1963 is the original b-side version from 1987-

here are the track timings!!...

ceremony - 4:38 procession - 4:29 everything's gone green - 4:10 temptation - 5:23 blue monday - 7:25 confusion - 4:54 thieves like us - 3:56
the perfect kiss - 4:50 sub-culture - 3:26 shellshock - 4:23 state of the nation - 3:30 bizarre love triangle - 4:19 true faith - 5:51 1963 - 4:19 touched by the hand of god - 3:42 blue monday '88 - 4:07 fine time - 3:09 round & round - 3:58 run 2 - 4:29 world in motion - 4:29 regret - 4:07 ruined in a day - 3:57 world - 3:38 spooky - 3:43 crystal - 4:18 60 miles an hour - 3:47 here to stay - 3:55 krafty - 3:46 jetstream - 3:43 waiting for the sirens call - 3:50 turn - 4:10

Ah...bless!

is your promo a CD-R or a pressed disc?

it's two pressed discs! which come in a gatefold cd sleeve....very similar to Substance (vinyl)

At 4:29 that can't be Run 2, which is only 3:30 or so, unless it's some previously unknown mix -- possible, but not likely. It's almost certainly the original Run, which is indeed 4:29 or so.

Strangely enough, after ripping the audio from A Collection, I found that the video version of 1963 (a variation on the Baker mix) is 4:13, which makes it pretty close to the timing of 1963 on Singles, but reports now say that Singles has an edit of the original version. I hope that's right, because the original is far superior, even as good as Baker's mix is.

What did you use to rip the audio from A Collection DVD? I used Total Recorder, so I could finally have a good quality version of run2, but i'm not sure if there is a more efficient or higher quality method? Thanks, sorry this is on a tangent...

Daniel McCarthy wrote: At 4:29 that can't be Run 2, which is only 3:30 or so, unless it's some previously unknown mix -- possible, but not likely. It's almost certainly the original Run, which is indeed 4:29 or so.

Strangely enough, after ripping the audio from A Collection, I found that the video version of 1963 (a variation on the Baker mix) is 4:13, which makes it pretty close to the timing of 1963 on Singles, but reports now say that Singles has an edit of the original version. I hope that's right, because the original is far superior, even as good as Baker's mix is.

There are actually two different 7" mixes of Run (at least on this Warner Brothers promo cassette I recently acquired)! :)

I'll check timings shortly to see if either are 4:09...

Jase Burns wrote: just listened to the whole album again & TURN is definately an edit and very possible slightly remixed or re-recorded!!!and all the tracks are the original 7" edits apart from Blue Monday '83 1963 is the original b-side version from 1987-

here are the track timings!!...

ceremony - 4:38 procession - 4:29 everything's gone green - 4:10 temptation - 5:23 blue monday - 7:25 confusion - 4:54 thieves like us - 3:56
the perfect kiss - 4:50 sub-culture - 3:26 shellshock - 4:23 state of the nation - 3:30 bizarre love triangle - 4:19 true faith - 5:51 1963 - 4:19 touched by the hand of god - 3:42 blue monday '88 - 4:07 fine time - 3:09 round & round - 3:58 run 2 - 4:29 world in motion - 4:29 regret - 4:07 ruined in a day - 3:57 world - 3:38 spooky - 3:43 crystal - 4:18 60 miles an hour - 3:47 here to stay - 3:55 krafty - 3:46 jetstream - 3:43 waiting for the sirens call - 3:50 turn - 4:10

Uh-oh - here we go once again then.....it's time to play "spot the discrepancies amongst the versions" again.

It appears - as feared - London Records aren't doing their homework properly again, as has been widely debated here by many other forumers - and with good reason.

So these tracks are catagorically NOT the "seven inch" edits after all if the timings are anything to go by:

The Perfect Kiss - that's the LP version not the 4.24 mins FBN123/Fac123 shorter edit. Bizarre Love Triangle - album version yet again. Single version is 3.44 mins True Faith - the 7" version is 4.13 mins - that one listed is the 12" full version. Run2 is the album version yet again (same as what we got on "Best Of")....

I use ImToo's DVD Audio Ripper.

Looking forward to hearing about the various Run mixes. Since it seems like Confusion is also a different edit from the 1983 7" promo, it's quite possible we'll be getting some interesting and unusual versions on this release.

Jase Burns wrote: just listened to the whole album again & TURN is definately an edit and very possible slightly remixed or re-recorded!!!and all the tracks are the original 7" edits apart from Blue Monday '83 1963 is the original b-side version from 1987-

here are the track timings!!...

ceremony - 4:38 procession - 4:29 everything's gone green - 4:10 temptation - 5:23 blue monday - 7:25 confusion - 4:54 thieves like us - 3:56
the perfect kiss - 4:50 sub-culture - 3:26 shellshock - 4:23 state of the nation - 3:30 bizarre love triangle - 4:19 true faith - 5:51 1963 - 4:19 touched by the hand of god - 3:42 blue monday '88 - 4:07 fine time - 3:09 round & round - 3:58 run 2 - 4:29 world in motion - 4:29 regret - 4:07 ruined in a day - 3:57 world - 3:38 spooky - 3:43 crystal - 4:18 60 miles an hour - 3:47 here to stay - 3:55 krafty - 3:46 jetstream - 3:43 waiting for the sirens call - 3:50 turn - 4:10

There are still some unreleased mixes I've read about on-forum here(Can't remember which songs tho') which could make up space on CD single or 12" vinyl releases of Turn not so much as if but when the single release sees the light of day.

Daniel McCarthy wrote: I use ImToo's DVD Audio Ripper.

Looking forward to hearing about the various Run mixes. Since it seems like Confusion is also a different edit from the 1983 7" promo, it's quite possible we'll be getting some interesting and unusual versions on this release.

just installed that dvd audio ripper because i wanted to rip the Finsbury DVD to cd.But haven`t a clue how to use it.

Jase Burns wrote: just listened to the whole album again & TURN is definately an edit and very possible slightly remixed or re-recorded!!!and all the tracks are the original 7" edits apart from Blue Monday '83 1963 is the original b-side version from 1987-

here are the track timings!!...

ceremony - 4:38 procession - 4:29 everything's gone green - 4:10 temptation - 5:23 blue monday - 7:25 confusion - 4:54 thieves like us - 3:56
the perfect kiss - 4:50 sub-culture - 3:26 shellshock - 4:23 state of the nation - 3:30 bizarre love triangle - 4:19 true faith - 5:51 1963 - 4:19 touched by the hand of god - 3:42 blue monday '88 - 4:07 fine time - 3:09 round & round - 3:58 run 2 - 4:29 world in motion - 4:29 regret - 4:07 ruined in a day - 3:57 world - 3:38 spooky - 3:43 crystal - 4:18 60 miles an hour - 3:47 here to stay - 3:55 krafty - 3:46 jetstream - 3:43 waiting for the sirens call - 3:50 turn - 4:10

How does this Turn edit sound. Any good?

None of you list BM95 but the poster shows the cover??

Is it just me or is anyone CONFUSED about just which SINGLE versions are being RELEASED?I can never remember which of the various versions i have but must admit i ain't got a BLOODY clue what the hell is happening.

Rocket Mick wrote: Is it just me or is anyone CONFUSED about just which SINGLE versions are being RELEASED?I can never remember which of the various versions i have but must admit i ain't got a BLOODY clue what the hell is happening.

that's a typical NO problem though, isn't it. always too many f'ing mixes and edits of the same thing :(

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:

Uh-oh - here we go once again then.....it's time to play "spot the discrepancies amongst the versions" again.

It appears - as feared - London Records aren't doing their homework properly again, as has been widely debated here by many other forumers - and with good reason.

So these tracks are catagorically NOT the "seven inch" edits after all if the timings are anything to go by:

The Perfect Kiss - that's the LP version not the 4.24 mins FBN123/Fac123 shorter edit. Bizarre Love Triangle - album version yet again. Single version is 3.44 mins True Faith - the 7" version is 4.13 mins - that one listed is the 12" full version. Run2 is the album version yet again (same as what we got on "Best Of")....

Agreed on the BLT/True Faith/Run 2 versions, but actually the Low-life edit of Perfect Kiss was the seven inch version here in the UK, so technically, that is the correct version to feature. There is a slightly shorter FBN edit which is essentially the same as the Low-life mix, and a completely messed about with Promo 7 inch edit that doesn't fade and is a terrible edit. They have actually featured the "proper" seven inch mix on this.

Andy

Jase Burns wrote: just listened to the whole album again & TURN is definately an edit and very possible slightly remixed or re-recorded!!!and all the tracks are the original 7" edits apart from Blue Monday '83 1963 is the original b-side version from 1987-

here are the track timings!!...

ceremony - 4:38 procession - 4:29 everything's gone green - 4:10 temptation - 5:23 blue monday - 7:25 confusion - 4:54 thieves like us - 3:56
the perfect kiss - 4:50 sub-culture - 3:26 shellshock - 4:23 state of the nation - 3:30 bizarre love triangle - 4:19 true faith - 5:51 1963 - 4:19 touched by the hand of god - 3:42 blue monday '88 - 4:07 fine time - 3:09 round & round - 3:58 run 2 - 4:29 world in motion - 4:29 regret - 4:07 ruined in a day - 3:57 world - 3:38 spooky - 3:43 crystal - 4:18 60 miles an hour - 3:47 here to stay - 3:55 krafty - 3:46 jetstream - 3:43 waiting for the sirens call - 3:50 turn - 4:10

Well, 'Turn' is only some 20 seconds shorter for the edited version then. How did you track this CD down? How does 'Confusion' differ from the regular 7 inch - it's 50-odd seconds longer according to your timings above. Also, is 'Spooky' the Fluke 'Minimix' (the single version in the UK) or the Album Edit that only came out in the US and on promos in the Uk?

Andy

Mr Discography wrote: Well, 'Turn' is only some 20 seconds shorter for the edited version then. How did you track this CD down? How does 'Confusion' differ from the regular 7 inch - it's 50-odd seconds longer according to your timings above. Also, is 'Spooky' the Fluke 'Minimix' (the single version in the UK) or the Album Edit that only came out in the US and on promos in the Uk?

Andy

the record company sent me the album for airplay...i'm a huge NO fan and obviously got very excited about seeing turn on there, so i gave it a listen and it sounded different..i played the album version and low & behold it's different they have done an edit. It's starts with the fade intro and then straight into the lead guitar bit. all in all not much different to the original album version but it does sound a lot "fresher" in the sense that it seems to have been r-recorded for radio!

As for spooky it's the album edit version!

cd1 with ceremony, Thieves like us, confusion etc is great! Confusion is very good..it's sounds like a re-edit of the original 12" ...i've not heard this version before!!! Also i don't know if it's just me but "Here to stay" sounds different...Hooky's bass sounds louder in the mix!

all the tracks on the album sound re-mastered too!

Slippy wrote:

How does this Turn edit sound. Any good?

Yes it soundsr eally good...just 20 seconds shorter than the oalbum version it would make an excellent single, hopefully they will release it

Daniel McCarthy wrote: I use ImToo's DVD Audio Ripper.

Looking forward to hearing about the various Run mixes. Since it seems like Confusion is also a different edit from the 1983 7" promo, it's quite possible we'll be getting some interesting and unusual versions on this release.

Okey dokey, tracklisting for this promo cassette is as follows:

1. Run (7" Original) 3:43
2. Run (7" Remix) 3:46
3. Run (12" Mix) 5:29

So, doesn't look like any of the above match the timings for the 'Singles' compilation, so it must be the album version as several people have observed... Quite why the single version of "Run2" is on 'Item', but the audio version isn't on 'Singles' remains a mystery...

Greatest Hits No.4 We should be glad they got it right this time. What they gonna put on Vol.5 though?

Nick King wrote:

Daniel McCarthy wrote: I use ImToo's DVD Audio Ripper.

Looking forward to hearing about the various Run mixes. Since it seems like Confusion is also a different edit from the 1983 7" promo, it's quite possible we'll be getting some interesting and unusual versions on this release.

Okey dokey, tracklisting for this promo cassette is as follows:

1. Run (7" Original) 3:43
2. Run (7" Remix) 3:46
3. Run (12" Mix) 5:29

So, doesn't look like any of the above match the timings for the 'Singles' compilation, so it must be the album version as several people have observed... Quite why the single version of "Run2" is on 'Item', but the audio version isn't on 'Singles' remains a mystery...

What is this promo cassette to which you refer? Never heard of it before, or the 7" Original / 7" Remix - which one is the version of the original 12"?

Andy

Mr Discography wrote:

Nick King wrote:

Daniel McCarthy wrote: I use ImToo's DVD Audio Ripper.

Looking forward to hearing about the various Run mixes. Since it seems like Confusion is also a different edit from the 1983 7" promo, it's quite possible we'll be getting some interesting and unusual versions on this release.

Okey dokey, tracklisting for this promo cassette is as follows:

1. Run (7" Original) 3:43
2. Run (7" Remix) 3:46
3. Run (12" Mix) 5:29

So, doesn't look like any of the above match the timings for the 'Singles' compilation, so it must be the album version as several people have observed... Quite why the single version of "Run2" is on 'Item', but the audio version isn't on 'Singles' remains a mystery...

What is this promo cassette to which you refer? Never heard of it before, or the 7" Original / 7" Remix - which one is the version of the original 12"?

Andy

Hi Andy,

I've posted details in the discogs thread here - hope that helps. I *think* (but it's a long time since I listened to the 12"), that track 3 is indeed the original 12"?

Cheers, Nick :)

Jase, thanks for the info but can i just say your spelling is fookin terrible!

Nick King wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

Nick King wrote:

Daniel McCarthy wrote: I use ImToo's DVD Audio Ripper.

Looking forward to hearing about the various Run mixes. Since it seems like Confusion is also a different edit from the 1983 7" promo, it's quite possible we'll be getting some interesting and unusual versions on this release.

Okey dokey, tracklisting for this promo cassette is as follows:

1. Run (7" Original) 3:43
2. Run (7" Remix) 3:46
3. Run (12" Mix) 5:29

So, doesn't look like any of the above match the timings for the 'Singles' compilation, so it must be the album version as several people have observed... Quite why the single version of "Run2" is on 'Item', but the audio version isn't on 'Singles' remains a mystery...

What is this promo cassette to which you refer? Never heard of it before, or the 7" Original / 7" Remix - which one is the version of the original 12"?

Andy

Hi Andy,

I've posted details in the discogs thread here - hope that helps. I *think* (but it's a long time since I listened to the 12"), that track 3 is indeed the original 12"?

Cheers, Nick :)

So, what's the difference between the 2 7" mixes? Is one the extended mix cropped down, or is one an edited album version? What we all think of as "Run 2" (the first track on the 12") could be either the 7" or the 7" Remix, depending on how you look at it. Never knew there was a third mix of this track!

Andy

nuts wrote: Jase, thanks for the info but can i just say your spelling is fookin terrible!

yeah i agree ..it's coz i'm always pissed when i come on this site!!! a few beers and i this urge to enter neworlderonline...oh fucki've doen it again!

'Singles' Japanese edition has 2 bonus tracks(CD2 18 tracks).

Waiting For The Sirens Call [Jacknife Lee Remix] Bizarre Love Triangle [Richard X Remix] and an original singles cover sticker. Oct.26 release.

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail.asp?sku=1455613 (click 'English' on page left side) http://www.hmv.co.jp/?lang=en

wow... I wonder if it's the 'extended' Richard X remix. If so, then it's the one for me.

TOKOLOSHE MAN wrote: 'Singles' Japanese edition has 2 bonus tracks(CD2 18 tracks).

Waiting For The Sirens Call [Jacknife Lee Remix] Bizarre Love Triangle [Richard X Remix] and an original singles cover sticker. Oct.26 release.

http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail.asp?sku=1455613 (click 'English' on page left side) http://www.hmv.co.jp/?lang=en

That's just great.

Don't tell me this will be the only source of getting two potential extended remixes on CD?

Let's hope they're just the 7" b-sides...

:\pimp3:

Why don't they make these things simple ??

HMV Japan has 33 track Japanesse version and a 30 track UK 'import'

EIL has a 30 track Japanesse import.

And the actual release is meant to be 31 tracks but with nobody knowing if the 31st is Turn or Working Overtime.

Dave Legge wrote:

Why don't they make these things simple ??

HMV Japan has 33 track Japanesse version and a 30 track UK 'import'

EIL has a 30 track Japanesse import.

And the actual release is meant to be 31 tracks but with nobody knowing if the 31st is Turn or Working Overtime.

What's your reason for thinking it will be 31 tracks?

Patrick wrote:

What's your reason for thinking it will be 31 tracks?

CD One:

1. Ceremony
2. Procession
3. Everything's Gone Green
4. Temptation
5. Blue Monday
6. Confusion
7. Thieves Like Us
8. Perfect Kiss
9. Subculture
10. Shellshock
11. State Of The Nation
12. Bizarre Love Triangle
13. True Faith
14. 1963 - Arthur Baker Mix
15. Touched By The Hand Of God

CD Two:

1. Blue Monday '88
2. Fine Time
3. Round & Round
4. Run 2
5. World In Motion
6. Regret
7. Ruined In A Day
8. World (Price Of Love)
9. Spooky
10. Crystal
11. 60mph
12. Here To Stay
13. Krafty
14. Jetstream
15. Waiting For The Sirens Call
16. Working Overtime or Turn

I don't mean to be difficult, Dave, but that's not a reason.

The last time I checked, the commercial websites like Amazon UK and eil showed 30 tracks.

I know that there have been lists floating around showing 31, with either Turn or WO as the 31st track, and that there are even apparently promo CDs with Turn as 31, but who knows for sure until the thing is actually in our hands?

Patrick wrote: I don't mean to be difficult, Dave, but that's not a reason.

The last time I checked, the commercial websites like Amazon UK and eil showed 30 tracks.

I know that there have been lists floating around showing 31, with either Turn or WO as the 31st track, and that there are even apparently promo CDs with Turn as 31, but who knows for sure until the thing is actually in our hands?

That's a fair point, Patrick.

But, 30 or 31 tracks :\ohwell: Doesn't make the rest of the shambles any simpler.

For starters, why do Japan have to have bonus tracks ?? And, if they do have to, why can't sites get the tracklistings correct (HMV.jp has 33, eil has 30) ??

And why do London have to fuck it up even more by sticking an extra track on a Promo ??

fuckwits, the lot of them

Rant over

Dave Legge wrote:

Patrick wrote: I don't mean to be difficult, Dave, but that's not a reason.

The last time I checked, the commercial websites like Amazon UK and eil showed 30 tracks.

I know that there have been lists floating around showing 31, with either Turn or WO as the 31st track, and that there are even apparently promo CDs with Turn as 31, but who knows for sure until the thing is actually in our hands?

That's a fair point, Patrick.

But, 30 or 31 tracks :\ohwell: Doesn't make the rest of the shambles any simpler.

For starters, why do Japan have to have bonus tracks ?? And, if they do have to, why can't sites get the tracklistings correct (HMV.jp has 33, eil has 30) ??

And why do London have to fuck it up even more by sticking an extra track on a Promo ??

fuckwits, the lot of them

I wholeheartedly agree with all of that, Dave.

And then they release a DVD where some of the sound is out of synch with the picture.

Japanese CDs have for a long time had bonus tracks on to stop people over there buying the albums more cheaply as imports - the bonus tracks are meant to "encourage" consumers to hang on for the versions with more tracks, aparrently. It's a bugger for us UK fans though (I'm also an Arab Strap completist) as it costs a fortune to obtain the blighters!

Do we know if it's the extended or 7" versions of these mixes yet? If it's the extended versions, it may be worth saving your money and hunting down that CD promo with them all on instead (and gaining an extra mix of Everything's Gone Green).

Anyway, seems like 'Turn' is definitely coming out as a single now though, so 31 tracks it is.

Andy