Songs that COULD have been singles...

Well, I'll give you ten I truely appreciate.

1. Doubts Even Here
2. Dream Attack
3. Paradise
4. This Time Of Night
5. Your Silent Face
6. Age Of Consent
7. Special
8. Love Vigilantes
9. In A Lonely Place 10.586

1. Leave Me Alone
2. Dream Attack
3. Primitive Notion (still might happen)
4. Mr Disco
5. This Time of Night

The Village has to get a look in there does it not.

Vanishing Point is much better than Fine Time. Kind of like Primitive Notion is much better than 60MPH. All Day Long would have followed BLT much better than State of the Nation.

Age Of Consent Love Vigilantes Weirdo Chosen Time

i always thought Disorder shoudve been a singel as well

by answering these quetions:

is it commercial enough for a single (song structure)? has it a good chorus/hookline ? is it suitable also for a non-newOrder audience ? ...these would've been my choices:

• Close Range (also because of they played all through the tour)
• Slow Jam (yes indeed! especially for the "ROCK" audience)
• Love Vigilantes
• Vanishing Point (in a good radio edit)
• Let's Go (Nothing for me)

Face Up This Time Of Night. Special Close Range LoveLess Paradise

Anything off technique.

Face Up, This Time of Night, Sunrise, Love Vigilantes, Vanishing Point, Your Silent Face, Times Change...

Hmm, spot Amy's fave album... ;)

Amy xox

Originally posted by Major
Anything off technique.

I agree

Originally posted by Amy Flower Face Up, This Time of Night, Sunrise, Love Vigilantes, Vanishing Point, Your Silent Face, Times Change...Hmm, spot Amy's fave album... ;)Amyxox

Republic?

Originally posted by Heather Kim > Originally posted by Major > Anything off technique.

I agree

Except Guilty Partner that is.

1. Mr Disco
2. Paradise
3. This time of night
4. Hurt
5. 586

Originally posted by Shug Logan - I posted this one a while back - and got a reply like...There was a time when releasing singles from an album weren't the thing...can we not leave this alone!!Which basically closed my thread - can't remember who it was, but I was NEW on here at the time - so I was an easy target....BASTARDSAnyway my choices areAge Of Consent, As It Is, Sunrise, All Day Long, Paradise, All the Way, Vanishing Point & Primitive Notion.

There are these recurring references to the idea that it was somehow a favor to fans to keep singles off albums. Am I missing something? Doesn't that force fans to buy more records? If the single was also on the album, it would not be necessary to buy the single.

If I'm wrong, someone please educate me.

1. All the way
2. Primitive Notion
3. Leave Me Alone
4. Dream Attack
5. Way of Life

That's my five

Originally posted by Shug > Originally posted by Patrick> > > > Originally posted by Shug> > Logan - I posted this one a while back - and got a reply like...There was a time when releasing singles from an album weren't the thing...can we not leave this alone!!> > Which basically closed my thread - can't remember who it was, but I was NEW on here at the time - so I was an easy target....BASTARDS> > > > Anyway my choices are> > Age Of Consent, As It Is, Sunrise, All Day Long, Paradise, All the Way, Vanishing Point & Primitive Notion.>

There are these recurring references to the idea that it was somehow a favor to fans to keep singles off albums. Am I missing something? Doesn't that force fans to buy more records? If the single was also on the album, it would not be necessary to buy the single.

If I'm wrong, someone please educate me.

Patsy it's a valid point - that wasn't my problem mate. This is a forum where people are posting "hypothetical" questions, therefore everything shouldn't be taken so fookin seriously - that's what annoyed me when I read the reply to my post, all I was trying to do was to find out, what other people thought, hope that's Crystal mate;)

Yes, Shug, I understand. I was just taking your post as the occasion for raising a question I've been wondering about for a while.

I do have some problems with the "worst single" thread, though. There aren't any.

Originally posted by Shug Fair enough Patsy;)As fer worst single - as a plastic jock The only one I could pick was WIFM - I'm sure everyone's fed up hearing me mention WIFM - so this is the last time I mention IT.

Don't stop on my account, Shug. Doesn't bother me.

It's gotta be MR DISCO, I love it.

If this just concerned choices taken off albums for the sake of singles then I'd suggest these:

From GET READY Close Range instead of 60mph And absolutely no others from this album

From REPUBLIC Everyone Everywhere instead of Spooky/Ruined In A Day [FOUR singles was a bit much - should have stopped at three: Regret, EE, World (only cos the latter had commercial potential, and it showed, going top 20 even)]

From TECHNIQUE Vanishing Point/Mr. Disco (could do summat with that crap title tho)/All The Way instead of Round & Round/Fine Time/Run

From BROTHERHOOD other than what already came off it (B.L.T.) just Paradise, I suppose

From LOW-LIFE Sooner Than You Think instead of Sub-Culture

From PCL Age of Consent OR Your Silent Face but not both.

From MOVEMENT only Dreams Never End

okay, that's it.

Originally posted by Seb Briggs > Originally posted by Heather Kim> > > > Originally posted by Major > > Anything off technique.>

I agree

Except Guilty Partner that is.

Oi !!!!! Guilty Partner is the best song on there !!!

I would have loved to see Mr Disco released as a single, but not at the expense of any other single off Technique

Off the new album well, turn my way, close range and rock the shack would do alright!

Nobody likes Doubts Even Here? Who says the singles have to be pumped up, why not mellowed down? So it didn't work with Ruined. DEH is a beautiful song no?

The point about not having singles on the albums was that it made the single something to treasure. It was central to the Factory ethos about not ripping off people and treating the records as works of art not just some merchandise to be shifted.

Originally posted by bill poster The point about not having singles on the albums was that it made the single something to treasure. It was central to the Factory ethos about not ripping off people and treating the records as works of art not just some merchandise to be shifted.

What I don't understand is how keeping singles off the albums achieved the goal of "not ripping off people." Was the theory that this meant there would be more non-single tracks on the albums? But the albums were pretty short, weren't they? It was no strain to put BM on the U.S. version of PCL.

1. ICB b/w Denial
2. Age of Consent b/w Leave Me Alone
3. Face Up b/w Elegia
4. As It Is When it Was b/w Wierdo
5. Mr. Disco b/w All The Way
6. Chemical b/w Young Offender
7. Turn My Way b/w Run Wild

Decided to take an "a-side/b-side" approach....

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 1. ICB b/w Denial2. Age of Consent b/w Leave Me Alone3. Face Up b/w Elegia4. As It Is When it Was b/w Wierdo5. Mr. Disco b/w All The Way6. Chemical b/w Young Offender7. Turn My Way b/w Run WildDecided to take an "a-side/b-side" approach....

Leave Me Alone and YO deserve to be singles themselves; but otherwise I agree on 2,3,4, and 7.

Originally posted by bill poster The point about not having singles on the albums was that it made the single something to treasure. It was central to the Factory ethos about not ripping off people and treating the records as works of art not just some merchandise to be shifted.

Was the theory perhaps that if you paid the extra amount to get the single, you should in fact get something you could not otherwise get?

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 1. ICB b/w Denial2. Age of Consent b/w Leave Me Alone3. Face Up b/w Elegia4. As It Is When it Was b/w Wierdo5. Mr. Disco b/w All The Way6. Chemical b/w Young Offender7. Turn My Way b/w Run Wild

Nice! What a great understanding of what used to be, back in the old days, the "b side." I remember when I was a kid, dusting off the old Victrola and actually flipping over the record. Of course, the B-side was usually just the most suckworthy track off the album.

By the way, according to the discography on niagara.edu, both Weirdo and Mr. Disco were released on promo discs with other tracks from other bands, perhaps to generate a "buzz" with radio programmers and test the waters for a single release.

1. Slow Jam
2. Dream Attack
3. Lonesome Tonight
4. The Village
5. ICB (Peel Sessions version)

The Village

"It was no strain to put BM on the U.S. version of PCL."

The point was that PCL was a complete, finished piece of art that did not include BM. It's like saying that the Mona Lisa would be improved by adding a bit more dress or background, it doesn't work. PCL, the piece of art, does not include BM. PCL, the sell-out cash-in, does include BM. That's the difference and that's why NO are not as special as they were from 1980-1984.

I resent buying singles that I've already got on an album (remixes do not, in my opinion, count as new songs). I think it's a rip-off to buy a single unless it has at least 2 unique songs (the old a & b side format).

Originally posted by bill poster "It was no strain to put BM on the U.S. version of PCL."The point was that PCL was a complete, finished piece of art that did not include BM. It's like saying that the Mona Lisa would be improved by adding a bit more dress or background, it doesn't work. PCL, the piece of art, does not include BM. PCL, the sell-out cash-in, does include BM. That's the difference and that's why NO are not as special as they were from 1980-1984.I resent buying singles that I've already got on an album (remixes do not, in my opinion, count as new songs). I think it's a rip-off to buy a single unless it has at least 2 unique songs (the old a & b side format).

I think everyone would agree that NO are not as special as they once were.

As far as buying singles that you already have on an album, isn't the obvious solution not to buy them?

'As far as buying singles that you already have on an album, isn't the obvious solution not to buy them?'

Exactly why I did stop buying New Order singles but I still miss the days when each and every New Order release was a self-contained unit that was worth getting.

Originally posted by bill poster 'As far as buying singles that you already have on an album, isn't the obvious solution not to buy them?'Exactly why I did stop buying New Order singles but I still miss the days when each and every New Order release was a self-contained unit that was worth getting.

I think I'm much more persuaded by the esthetic argument than I am by the business of not ripping off fans.

Originally posted by bill&nbspposter "It was no strain to put BM on the U.S. version of PCL."The point was that PCL was a complete, finished piece of art that did not include BM. It's like saying that the Mona Lisa would be improved by adding a bit more dress or background, it doesn't work. PCL, the piece of art, does not include BM. PCL, the sell-out cash-in, does include BM. That's the difference and that's why NO are not as special as they were from 1980-1984.I resent buying singles that I've already got on an album (remixes do not, in my opinion, count as new songs). I think it's a rip-off to buy a single unless it has at least 2 unique songs (the old a & b side format).

I always wonder what PCL would sound like in its original form, minus BM (but I'm too lazy to just skip over it, so I'll never know)

Seriously, it was unfathomable to me that they wouldn't have featured BM on PCL, but after reading that BM actually was released first it makes sense to keep it seperate. Repitition kills music.

PCL does suffer with BM included.

Your Silent Face would have been a great single. Perhaps coupled with Love Vig for the "Melodica EP"

Originally posted by Shug > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> 1. ICB b/w Denial> 2. Age of Consent b/w Leave Me Alone> 3. Face Up b/w Elegia> 4. As It Is When it Was b/w Wierdo> 5. Mr. Disco b/w All The Way> 6. Chemical b/w Young Offender> 7. Turn My Way b/w Run Wild> > Decided to take an "a-side/b-side" approach....

Nice one Tabsy Like yer style that much - I'll have a go

1 Truth / Chosen Time 2 AOC / YSF 3 Love Vigilanties / Sooner 4 As it is / Paradise 5 All the way / Mr.Disco 6 Special / Liar 7 Primitive Notion / Turn my way

Thanks Shuggy, I figured I'd take two songs each from the LPs. Makes it more interesting, really

Special Close Range Young Offender