New Order's US 3rd Single: GUILT IS A USELESS EMOTION, Released on Nov 29

Why on earth are they offering edited mixes for digital download? Is Warner's really that cheap with bandwidth? What's the point of offering different packages to DJs and everybody else -- and how the heck does one get the DJ set?

I'm not whinging here, I just don't see the logic. 7" vinyl has a nostalgia and collectibility factor, which doesn't apply to digital downoads. Edited mixes make sense on the British CD singles, since the UK chart rules are so strict, but the U.S. has never needed to worry about that,

Well, it's about time. I think this is the best song on the album and should've been released as a first single. A perfect dance track.

Aha.... so the tracklisting for the US edition of SINGLEs may be different - with inclusion of GIAUE ;)

Anyway, let's see the cover art :) Oops... I forgot it's a digital (what the heck is that? ) release...

From the makers of Gay Disco comes...

Guilt is a Useless Emotion!

Breaking new ground in the information age they helped pioneer, with a release in a special "Useless" format: digital only!

Impress your friends! Burn a CDR! Make your computer a home DJ booth!

Coming soon from your friendly friends at Warner Brothers, Ltd.

From a collector's/completist's perspective, this is crap news.

The slow death of physical music formats is ruining the magic of the collector's shelf. It's just not the same admiring a music collection on someone's hard disc.

Furthermore, the price of any official CD-Rs and promo 12"s will go through the roof on eBay.

Perhaps we (NOOL) should collectively create some artwork for the Guilt remixes and furnish an insert for the CD-Rs that we'll inevitably end up with?

:\pimp3:

Sounds like a worthy time to start a radio campaign to get them rotated heavier on the stations around here. Though, I think Turn would do far better in this market, just with the younger folks being into what they are into around here.

Ah well, fingers crossed, in any event.

Can you tell me how all this works then?I only have a SAMSUNG 500 and this will look pretty DAFT sat next to 36 FAC 53s in a PLASTIC WALLET.Marigolds needed for the downloading.Is their NOISE POLLUTION? Please help ROCKET-i only just got used to WORKING!

HURAH! Guilt finally gets a release (of sorts)...

We'd better be able to burn it following download. I downloaded Electronic's 'King For a Day' last year- then discovered I couldn't burn it!

If I can't burn GUILT I will cry cry cry cry!

Good idea from depthcharge about doing our own cover art!

Hi,

Sounds interesting. However, in my part of the world (Canada, Province of Quebec, not to name it), it's not, or rarely possible to have access to such kind of CD's, except if it happen to be a huge success on the radio... Is it planned to make it available through the internet site? And, for not being a DJ, I would had liked to be able to have access to the DJ Version in addition to the consumer's one. Will it be possible also?

Thank in advance for your reply!

Pierre

depthcharge wrote: From a collector's/completist's perspective, this is crap news.

The slow death of physical music formats is ruining the magic of the collector's shelf. It's just not the same admiring a music collection on someone's hard disc.

Furthermore, the price of any official CD-Rs and promo 12"s will go through the roof on eBay.

I agree! *throws tomatos at WB* Furthermore, mp3s are not the same quality as CDs.

The WFTSC promo mixes have shown up on the net, and so will these. I'm boycotting this stupid idea and downloading the mixes for free. If the record label doesn't like it, they should release a damn CD!!!

depthcharge wrote: From a collector's/completist's perspective, this is crap news.

The slow death of physical music formats is ruining the magic of the collector's shelf. It's just not the same admiring a music collection on someone's hard disc.

Furthermore, the price of any official CD-Rs and promo 12"s will go through the roof on eBay.

Perhaps we (NOOL) should collectively create some artwork for the Guilt remixes and furnish an insert for the CD-Rs that we'll inevitably end up with?

:\pimp3:

It IS VERY CRAP NEWS for those of us who can only JUST afford a shitty dial-up link which takes a million years to download even the shortest edit. Sorry, as said before, some things DO matter more than music and this is a very sad way for Warner to treat genuine fans of this, I'm very sad to admit, once truly groundbreaking band who have allowed this travesty to take place. Another cheapass attempt by Warner to cut costs no matter what the cost to bands on it's roster.

I don't understand digital releases. Not only can younger people not get them but I takes the ritual out of buying music which I personally enjoy. Wheres the cover art? The packaging? The printed disc? You just have files on your computer that may or may not burn and I dont take my computer everywhere or play music music from it. Its the stupidest idea ever and I cant believe it has taken off. I hate it, hate it, hate it. We'll be losing all our great CD and record stores soon because they can't compete with this ridiculous trend.

I would think NO would aggree here but obviously not. I'll be livid if this catches on, I really will.

Interesting news - of course it is a class track but the digital only format does put collectors in a fix.

I do like the idea of creating some artwork though - If I can help then keep me posted. Cheers for now aeaf

It looks like we do all the job for Warner Brs lately: we ourselves burn CD-Rs to record tracks off WFTSC 7"s, now we're going to do so with this "digital" single.

i hear that their next LP will be released on 78rpm, for phonograph use only!

Blah Blah Blah wrote:

AgentWood wrote: i hear that their next LP will be released on 78rpm, for phonograph use only!

Shouldn't you be teaching some kids or something???

out sick today. and NO, it's not because of any 'festivities.' i have a habit of getting sick on my birthday. last year my birthday fell on election day--black tuesday--and i was at home with my nose in a tissue and my eyes watering (for two separate reasons, of course).

i've been up e-mailing lesson plans and such, but i'm going back to bed soon after a bit of breakfast.

7"? Digital download? 78rpm? How about re-releasing BLUE MONDAY on a 5&1/2inch floppy disk? I love to see that!

...no, bad idea....none of us will be able to play that...unless we all go to Chorley and use Rocket Mick's comp!:D

Ha ha ha ha!!!!

I hear ya!!!

My question is:

Are we "the fans" going to have the possibility of ever owning all these remixes of all these songs on CDs (as I'm sure the vast majority would like them) legally, or without having to spend tons of cash on e-bay (cash that is going into the pockets of people who I'm sure the band didn't intend to)???

Why oh why!!!!!

Er, so is this only going to be available for download in the US?

Either way, unless I get it on CD-R I won't be hearing this. Takes me the same time to download anything that Saville takes on his sleeves! It's an interesting idea, but still I really hope they don't make this their usual way of releasing music

First vinyl-only, now download-only.

I'm really not happy about this.

Really not happy.

Spotnick wrote: Other bits of information I gathered:

Yes. These are digital only.

We will be putting out the sirens call mixes in the near future. Just don't have a plan yet.

Will get you details on the Singles. Its coming through Rhino here.

Nic, have you considered conveying to your contacts how unhappy most of us are with these recent decisions?

Right on, P.

Why don't they consider a small US maxi-CD run featuring the Guilt & WFTSC mixes. They're guaranteed sales with hundreds of NOOLers alone. Why let potential revenue end up in promo profiteering on eBay?

:\pimp3:

Rhino could do a limited bonus CD with initial copies of Singles. That would find a home for the WFTSC and GIAUE mixes.

Spotnik you`re from Laval? Tabarnaque.

Montréal here.

HMW dwtn had a lot of Krafty cdsingles when they first came out, as well as Jetstream but only the UK and Aussie versions. Never saw the American cd single for Krafty or Jetstream. Even had to wait an extra week for Item.

I do remember the good ole days of searchin all those vinyl bins in the second hand stores in downtown MTL and finding all my precious singles in almost mint condition (some of them were priced at a dollar ). They all got stolen while I was living in Vancouver but man that hunt was fun.

We gotta give Polygram some dibs for released that Blue Monday 95 single tho... they were also pretty good about releasing new order vinyl (7 & 12 inch) cdsingles (in those cardboard cases) new order 1981-1982 on cd, etc. They even maintained the original label design from Factory whereas Qwest would Amercanize the release with thier own custom stickers.

Andy wrote: Rhino could do a limited bonus CD with initial copies of Singles. That would find a home for the WFTSC and GIAUE mixes.

Excellent idea! The extra disc would cost them about 10 cents to make and they could charge $5 more for a limited edition and the fans would get these mixes on CD.

But why edits unless the remixes suck? I could understand if there was a 'radio' version but for the 'customer' version they should put the full mixes. Can't wait to hear the full version of Morel's remix.

I realize this might be an old topic (my first post!), but why are we referring to WFTSC as a 7"-only release? All the 7" versions are available as digital downloads, and there's a CD-single with the long versions of two of the mixes.

That said, I'm guessing that both GIAUE "releases" will be equally available, and you'll be able to buy either or both, depending on your preferences. There might be pricing differences, though. It's all marketing.

Spotnick wrote:

As for my contacts (answering Patrick's question), I said it, but I still prefer a digital release to no release at all.

And it's difficult for me to be unhappy when they will send me a CD... but I would be quite pissed otherwise

What about the rest of us, Nic, who won't be so fortunate?

Aargghhh - just read this... Damn, I'm supposed to be saving up for my holiday/Christmas... (Promo CDR's on ebay)...

Of course, being a US-only release, it won't be available on iTunes UK, will it...

So, the only way for UK people to get hold of it will be to download it free from MP3 sites...

Nick King wrote: Aargghhh - just read this... Damn, I'm supposed to be saving up for my holiday/Christmas... (Promo CDR's on ebay)...

Of course, being a US-only release, it won't be available on iTunes UK, will it...

So, the only way for UK people to get hold of it will be to download it free from MP3 sites...

Or from our FREINDS in america/canada, if canada gets it, I think that seperate from the american iTunes.

I could swap a singles poster for a CD copy, email if interested.

Spotnick wrote: Other bits of information I gathered:

Yes. These are digital only.

We will be putting out the sirens call mixes in the near future. Just don't have a plan yet.

Will get you details on the Singles. Its coming through Rhino here.

well, you know that taking care of lindsay lohan does eat up a lot of warner's time. we must remember that, everyone. new order simply aren't at the top of the record company's list of priorities; rightly so as lohan is a star! (jazz hands smilie inserted here)

They're succeeding admirably at irritating me, certainly.

Patrick wrote: They're succeeding admirably at irritating me, certainly.

i can sense it in the tone of your post. that's a very harsh period, p.

Shergold Six wrote:

depthcharge wrote: From a collector's/completist's perspective, this is crap news.

The slow death of physical music formats is ruining the magic of the collector's shelf. It's just not the same admiring a music collection on someone's hard disc.

Furthermore, the price of any official CD-Rs and promo 12"s will go through the roof on eBay.

Perhaps we (NOOL) should collectively create some artwork for the Guilt remixes and furnish an insert for the CD-Rs that we'll inevitably end up with?

:\pimp3:

It IS VERY CRAP NEWS for those of us who can only JUST afford a shitty dial-up link which takes a million years to download even the shortest edit. Sorry, as said before, some things DO matter more than music and this is a very sad way for Warner to treat genuine fans of this, I'm very sad to admit, once truly groundbreaking band who have allowed this travesty to take place. Another cheapass attempt by Warner to cut costs no matter what the cost to bands on it's roster.

don't worry shergs, we'll have access to broadband very soon.

So, techie types- how does one go about downloading (& paying) these upcoming remixes. I've never done out like this- don't know where to start. Is it Apple or something.

(As you might have guessed- i still use a tape walkman- albeit Sony!!)

I know it's in vogue these days but why should we be expected to pay full price for compressed, lousy sounding audio files with no artwork? Exclusive material on iTunes is teh suxor!

AgentWood wrote:

Patrick wrote: They're succeeding admirably at irritating me, certainly.

i can sense it in the tone of your post. that's a very harsh period, p.

I try very hard to make every punctuation mark count, AW.

But perhaps I should add some scowlies just for good measure.

From a collector's/completist's perspective, this is crap news.

I should quote almost everybody, but I pciked this sentence. I think that FROM EVERYBODY is is crap news. We should do something about it really. 'Cos it sucks to be leaded by WB - and the w*nkers @ London. I hate to spend the entire month without going to a restaurant or a club becaus I have to pay a small fortune on eBay promos. I'm sick of it. We should write a manifest and publish it everywhere, including PHYSICAL LETTERS to Warners all over the world. It's stupid, really. I want it in the best quality possible - not crappy mp3s. I'm starting the art for the manifest right now and its name should be incisive, FUCK LONDON.

By the way I'm tired of those trendy useless remixes as well. But that's another thing - it's all gone pete tong.

Pete

Alistair wrote:

djaj wrote: I realize this might be an old topic (my first post!), but why are we referring to WFTSC as a 7"-only release? All the 7" versions are available as digital downloads, and there's a CD-single with the long versions of two of the mixes.

Welcome to the site!

Thanks!

Alistair wrote: Regarding WFTSC: it's down to the rules for a single to be UK chart eligible, only three formats allowed.

Right, but it's not like the other formats don't exist, or are promo-only. Is the rule that we only go by the UK chart-eligible releases in referring to how the single got released? Seems like it leaves out some useful information to me. But "when in Rome..." I guess.

Alistair wrote: In my opinion regarding the digital downloads: the quality/bitrate is rubbish, the ability to copy the music (e.g. for MP3 player use) is protected against, and finally (and probably most importantly) you're screwed unless you own an iPod or have iTunes installed.

I bought 192kbps WMAs, so no need for iTunes. (US folks can't buy from the UK iTunes shop, but we can buy from 7digital.) Burned it to CDR, and now it's unprotected and I can do what I want with it. Qualitywise, not terrible. For those of us who can't afford $1000+ turntables (mainly because we're chasing down ridiculous releases like this one), you could argue that it sounds nearly as good as vinyl anyways.

Like you, I'd much rather have a CD. But the writing is on the wall: The days of people like us are numbered. The record companies hate CDs now, so they want all music to either be "copy-controlled" digital downloads, or in an analog format that is hard to copy and very unportable.

Alistair wrote: Overall, a release handled extremely badly even with the very nice, but useless slipcase idea. I don't think Warners were/are arsed with New Order singles anymore; first WFTSC on 7" only and now Guilt as a US digital-only release.

Clearly, New Order are not their top priority. Maybe, after 25 years, it's time for the band to start their own label?

Plain and simple, this idea sucks.

Its a terrible song to begin with, so I guess the format of the release makes sense. The band doesn't have a huge following in the US and I can see why the label doesn't want to put much effort/$$$ into their releases.

As a psuedo-completist, I buy everything the band releases, good or not quite so good. I would have bought this too had there been a PROPER release on vinyl and/or CD...but I can't see that paying to download crap mp3 files is worth it.

This digital-only release blows.

Furthermore, there has to be some political cost when traditional retail is cut out the picture. If there is indeed another NO cd coming soon, they (NO & Warner Bros.) are going to need all the support they can muster up to promote it in the stores. :\ohwell:

Digital releases should enhance the market, not circumnavigate it.

As far as NO releases go.........

EVERYTHINGS GOING GREEN!

Yes !!!!!!!!!!!

can someone please put this onto cdr for me.

If GIAUE is a popular club/radio hit will it eventually get released on cd? I know not all songs do but...what do you think?

Jackson Withrow wrote: If GIAUE is a popular club/radio hit will it eventually get released on cd? I know not all songs do but...what do you think?

i never hear NO remixes in any of the 'top' mainstream clubs. it's usually confined to the more 'eccentric' clubs. as far as radio, the only place i hear of new order is on college radio. i don't know what it will take for them to release this on cd. i guess more people like us to bother them! it's wishful thinking for us, JW!

I wonder why its not possible for them to create a digital download that is sampled at 384k (or higher?)? I agree that the 128k's are nearly worthless.

If the bitrate is high enough...all but those with the highest end equipment wouldn't notice and that would at least allow us to have decent copies of the song.

As for why they are releasing it digitally...I would guess that they'd have to do a minimum pressing of 25,000 of these to justify the artwork, cd production, shipping and tracking of the item. I really doubt that they would sell 25k copies of this single in the US. Digital downloads allows them to make back the money they've sunk into the mixes with almost no distribution costs...and lets face it...they know we'll buy it.

Dear SANTANOOL,please could you send me all these remixes housed in a KFC BUCKET(leave the original contents in please).I will then listen to them whilst having a FEAST.A lovely side offering of chicken gravy too. Regards Little Rocket :D BEANS ARE A USELESS ADDITION

I just realized that Daft Punk could do a workable remix/cover of Guilt.

I always prefer my 'tuckys ORIGINAL RECIPIE, though, with a B-side of macaroni salad, just make sure the mayonaise hasn't TURNed.

I like my drumsticks HOT HOT HOT with extra ZING! So blimmin' HOT that afterwards I'm layin' in the GUTTER, grippin' me MARIE CORELLI and WAITING FOR THE SIRENS CALL.. CHORLEY HOSPITAL and make it FAST SIR!

:\pimp3:

Rocket Mick wrote: Dear SANTANOOL,please could you send me all these remixes housed in a KFC BUCKET(leave the original contents in please).I will then listen to them whilst having a FEAST.A lovely side offering of chicken gravy too. Regards Little Rocket :D BEANS ARE A USELESS ADDITION

Aries wrote:

depthcharge wrote: From a collector's/completist's perspective, this is crap news.

The slow death of physical music formats is ruining the magic of the collector's shelf. It's just not the same admiring a music collection on someone's hard disc.

Furthermore, the price of any official CD-Rs and promo 12"s will go through the roof on eBay.

I agree! *throws tomatos at WB* Furthermore, mp3s are not the same quality as CDs.

The WFTSC promo mixes have shown up on the net, and so will these. I'm boycotting this stupid idea and downloading the mixes for free. If the record label doesn't like it, they should release a damn CD!!!

This is getting really stupid. What rubbish format will they come up with next? Only available on shellac cylinders? Only as sheet music that you have to play yourself? And if they want to make us pay for our own cdrs and packaging, could they at least make full cd quality SHN or similar available instead of crappy compressed mp3? Personally I intend NEVER to pay for mp3s under any circumstances.

Spotnick wrote: I prefer a digital release to a release pulled because of no interest.. don't you think?

I would say most of the people who have expressed a view on this seem to disagree with you, Nic.

mil wrote: I don't understand digital releases. Not only can younger people not get them but I takes the ritual out of buying music which I personally enjoy. Wheres the cover art? The packaging? The printed disc? You just have files on your computer that may or may not burn and I dont take my computer everywhere or play music music from it. Its the stupidest idea ever and I cant believe it has taken off. I hate it, hate it, hate it. We'll be losing all our great CD and record stores soon because they can't compete with this ridiculous trend.

I would think NO would aggree here but obviously not. I'll be livid if this catches on, I really will.

Invest in an iPod. your life will never be the same again..

Hannett of the Apes wrote: I just realized that Daft Punk could do a workable remix/cover of Guilt.

I always prefer my 'tuckys ORIGINAL RECIPIE, though, with a B-side of macaroni salad, just make sure the mayonaise hasn't TURNed.

After their last album I think Daft Punk should turn in their synthesizers, cut their losses, and invest in a McDonalds franchise.

as a DJ who occassionally spins here and there, unless there is a good dub version of this song (i.e., little or no vocals), i wouldn't be caught dead playing this song. the lyrics are just not great.

dj dan and morel are okay as remixers, but their styles are a little too intense these days.

will give it a listen nonetheless.

Spotnick wrote: If what you say is right... how come Krafty and Jetstream get in the Hot 100 dance tracks then?

This chart, like some other Billboard charts, is based on nothing other than what info DJ's submit. It is easily manipulated. It doesn't monitor number of DJ's spinning or the frequency. The best way to stay on record co's DJ mailing list is to give favorable reviews. Look thru the charts weekly and you'll start scratching your head in wonder of the titles that chart.

Eric Wang wrote: as a DJ who occassionally spins here and there, unless there is a good dub version of this song (i.e., little or no vocals), i wouldn't be caught dead playing this song. the lyrics are just not great.

dj dan and morel are okay as remixers, but their styles are a little too intense these days.

will give it a listen nonetheless.

intense? and the problem with this is.......

Spotnick wrote: Well, I wouldn't be surprised if there were promo 12" (as they said they were sent to DJs) and promo CDs (as they said they would send it to me)

But I'll investigate further.

For me, this should have been released instead of Jetstream, no question there... but I guess the guest vocalist forced the label's decision.

I'm a little disappointed though, I thought they would include some WFTSC remixes on there.

Nic...I just reread the original news article you posted....it sounds like there are gonna be two CD's issued first...one for the 'djs' and one for the 'consumers'...whatever the hell that means... and then later a 'digital release' at an undecided time...am I confused here?

Eric Wang wrote: as a DJ who occassionally spins here and there, unless there is a good dub version of this song (i.e., little or no vocals), i wouldn't be caught dead playing this song. the lyrics are just not great.

Wow, since when have trite lyrics ever stopped a song being a hit on the dance floor? Surely dance music is built around repetition of the most obvious cliches in the world.

I'm no fan of the Guilt lyrics but surely there's plenty of options to rip a couple of choice lines and splice them into the mix.

:\pimp3:

Fac 51 wrote:

Spotnick wrote: If what you say is right... how come Krafty and Jetstream get in the Hot 100 dance tracks then?

This chart, like some other Billboard charts, is based on nothing other than what info DJ's submit. It is easily manipulated. It doesn't monitor number of DJ's spinning or the frequency. The best way to stay on record co's DJ mailing list is to give favorable reviews. Look thru the charts weekly and you'll start scratching your head in wonder of the titles that chart.

i am so serious, i DO NOT hear NO on chicago radio, except through college frequency. and i RARELY hear new NO in the clubs. only the classics on themed nights. how they manage to get in on the 'HOT 100 dance tracks' list is beyond me!

john dougherty wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Well, I wouldn't be surprised if there were promo 12" (as they said they were sent to DJs) and promo CDs (as they said they would send it to me)

But I'll investigate further.

For me, this should have been released instead of Jetstream, no question there... but I guess the guest vocalist forced the label's decision.

I'm a little disappointed though, I thought they would include some WFTSC remixes on there.

Nic...I just reread the original news article you posted....it sounds like there are gonna be two CD's issued first...one for the 'djs' and one for the 'consumers'...whatever the hell that means... and then later a 'digital release' at an undecided time...am I confused here?

After reading John's take on the press release issued to Spotnick I'm now thinking along similar lines that perhaps there WILL be physical CD singles to be had...I just wish they'ed actually called them that from the beginning instead of using cryptic Warnerspeak to describe them

RedKen wrote:

mil wrote: I don't understand digital releases. Not only can younger people not get them but I takes the ritual out of buying music which I personally enjoy. Wheres the cover art? The packaging? The printed disc? You just have files on your computer that may or may not burn and I dont take my computer everywhere or play music music from it. Its the stupidest idea ever and I cant believe it has taken off. I hate it, hate it, hate it. We'll be losing all our great CD and record stores soon because they can't compete with this ridiculous trend.

I would think NO would aggree here but obviously not. I'll be livid if this catches on, I really will.

Invest in an iPod. your life will never be the same again..

I hate ipods.

(1) because all the bloody media trendies who bang on about it simply because its fashionable while knowing nothing about the technology and who think Apple invented the damn mp3 jukebox concept, when it was around for years before the ipod. (not aimed at you personally! Just the Nathan Barleys out there)

(2) because its bad technology, using a hard drive (though its getting better, roll on higher capacity solid state players) - 300 hours of music with 10 hours of battery life makes no sense at all, not to mention being very fragile, horribly expensive and prone to jog.

(3) cos of the excessive attention said media trendies pay to the design of the box while the geeks who actually made the technology possible get no respect!

(4) cos the music industry seems to be getting away with charging people nearly a quid a track for downloads, when they are saving a fortune on distribution and packaging and retail costs. For years they used to justify the high price of cds by claiming that a hefty portion was in those costs, now those costs are not applicable with mp3 and yet they still charge the same inflated prices. For inferior sound quality. And to cap it all they've changed the pricing of cd singles to try and match the quid-a-track pricing of mp3s.

When they produce at least an 8 Gig solid state player I'll be interested.

Well, I DJ. And, no kidding, I ususally throw a New Order club mix in there whether they are on the charts or not. But to back up Spotnick, 'Krafty' got to #1 on the Billboard Club Play chart and 'Jetstream' held at #3 for 2 weeks. Why the new single is not getting released on CD5/2x12" is beyond me, I fu**ing pissed, I'll tell ya that.

I think GIAUE is a brilliant track. The lyrics are excellent. Have you ever heard something like 'Hollaback Girl'?? THOSE are horrible lyrics, not New Order. Even if I have to download this on to a CD-r and play it off that, I will, even though I'm not a CD DJ.

The reason why New Order charts well is because the influence of a city like New York weighs heavily on the Billboard chart. A lot of the Top 10 tracks on the Billboard Club Play chart are New York-style club records.

I just can't understand why they are doing a digital-only release. If the record label was really concerned about servicing the customer, they would have a direct retail site up where, by credit card, you could order a CD or 2x12" copy of the single. People still spin with records, ya know. It's not the 23rd century yet, motherfu**erz.

Why are they doing this?

1. Stupidity.

2. Complete disregard for what actual NO fans actually want.

For real, dude.

I said this earlier, but again: When Dave Gahan's 'Paper Monsters' came out in 2003, Reprise in the US put out all 3 singles on CD. Only the first two, which charted VERY WELL on the Club chart, came out on 2x12", but the third one came out as a CD Single and it was nice that the chain stores had the CD Singles in stock.

Whay does Warners have to be so damn cheap? Just press up 4000 CD Singles and 2000 2x12"s and be done with it. They'll all sell out, man. CHRIST!!! You could even NUMBER each one and they'll sell even quicker.

depthcharge wrote:

Eric Wang wrote: as a DJ who occassionally spins here and there, unless there is a good dub version of this song (i.e., little or no vocals), i wouldn't be caught dead playing this song. the lyrics are just not great.

Wow, since when have trite lyrics ever stopped a song being a hit on the dance floor? Surely dance music is built around repetition of the most obvious cliches in the world.

I'm no fan of the Guilt lyrics but surely there's plenty of options to rip a couple of choice lines and splice them into the mix.

:\pimp3:

if i can change the line: "real love can't be bought" to "we love candy bars", which is what I originally thought barney was singing, i would do it and then play it.

:)

I thought Waiting For The Sirens Call was the third single? GUILT IS A USELESS EMOTION would make this forth one??

i saw giaue jrsnchz rmx in the september charts of urb magazine. did someone know something about that one?

hey spotnick, i play at the red-lite(laval)...so if you wanna hear n.o.rmx on a "real" soundsystem send me a mail p_larochelle@videotron.ca im gonna put you(or anyone who is interested) on the guest list.

cheers !

phil -

you spin at red-lite? quand? when would be a good time to go? have never been actually... usually do stereo or parking downstairs on a saturday night. the guy who spins downstairs at parking must have stolen my vinyl collection because buddy spins new order man! have heard blue monday everytime i went, even blt, true faith (shep pettibone and album version) and jetstream. he even plays propaganda, human league, a-ha, mode, visage and tons more decent retro.

How can it be a US single if it's download. Surely anyone can download it?

a bottle of vodka fits well in a record bag and did a nice mix with red bull

Slippy wrote: How can it be a US single if it's download. Surely anyone can download it?

as far as i know official downloads now count as official sales, hence are counted in the charts, at least in some countries.

Can't people just be happy that there is going to be another single? Some people here sound like the old farts that complained when vinyl went to cassette or when CD came out. I like vinyl and CDs too, but I just rip them straight to my iPod to listen to. Digital downloads are the next progression, so get used to it. I'm just happy that Guilt is being releaseed. In any form!

I gotta admit that what pisses me off more than any of it is the "DJ version". Does anybody know what this means yet? Are there sites that sell downloads to DJ's only?

Cause when its all said and done...the long versions are what I want....same with WFTSC. I'm gettin so frustrated with all this....

Alistair agreed with me and I'll agree with him: I too, own an iPod, but still, I treat it like a Walkman. The files' quality is not NEAR my expectations, and like Ally, I'll have to shell out for an 'in-house CD-r'.

Either way you argue it, downloading a faceless file will never carry the vibe of buying an actual item.

The real crime here is that Warners marketing is too stupid to realize that this is an opportunity to cash in on the fans on this website. Back in the day, they had these things called "fan clubs" and sometimes "fan clubs" would get the chance to buy special items not in stores and the label could make some cash on the side. This single should be offered to members of this site as a CD, at the very least.

I agree, that as a collector, this is not very fun. I am also not looking forward to staying up to midnight central on the 28th waiting for iTunes to refresh so I can buy these downloads.

Surely they would make some money off of this, no?

And fuckin'-a man, why is it always about money? You know, when Ultra Records cut six tracks off the US release of Armin van Buuren's 'A State Of Trance 2005' 2xCD, I was so pissed I wrote them a very neat, 2-page letter. I don't know who in Marketing read it, but I haven't bought another release on Ultra since May, I'll tell you that.

I think Warners needs a dose of respect. And on top of that, something I learned in 5th Garde holds true today:

RESPECT WINS RESPECT

MTO wrote: Well, I DJ. And, no kidding, I ususally throw a New Order club mix in there whether they are on the charts or not. But to back up Spotnick, 'Krafty' got to #1 on the Billboard Club Play chart and 'Jetstream' held at #3 for 2 weeks. Why the new single is not getting released on CD5/2x12" is beyond me, I fu**ing pissed, I'll tell ya that.

I think GIAUE is a brilliant track. The lyrics are excellent. Have you ever heard something like 'Hollaback Girl'?? THOSE are horrible lyrics, not New Order. Even if I have to download this on to a CD-r and play it off that, I will, even though I'm not a CD DJ.

The reason why New Order charts well is because the influence of a city like New York weighs heavily on the Billboard chart. A lot of the Top 10 tracks on the Billboard Club Play chart are New York-style club records.

I just can't understand why they are doing a digital-only release. If the record label was really concerned about servicing the customer, they would have a direct retail site up where, by credit card, you could order a CD or 2x12" copy of the single. People still spin with records, ya know. It's not the 23rd century yet, motherfu**erz.

I beg to differ...NYC is not the end all of what gets charted...Matter of fact NYC is probably one of the least innovative cities when it comes to dance music.

I too have been banging out New Order remixes left and right whenever I can...I have truly found most NYC DJs to be boring and stuck on one beat all night.

MTO this is not directed towards you in any way since I never heard you play.

Just blabbin

Can someone tell me what the original press release says cuz I get an error on the first thread.

Thanks

((((e))))

People like to see physical product. To me, music isn't data. It's art. Kids who only know downloading have no problem with buying music as mp3's. I think NO fans are people who have a bit more respect for history. I don't buy downloads : low quality, DRM'ed-to-fuck rubbish. I'd buy a CD in an instant, though.

Spotnick wrote: Well, I wouldn't be surprised if there were promo 12" (as they said they were sent to DJs) and promo CDs (as they said they would send it to me)

But I'll investigate further.

For me, this should have been released instead of Jetstream, no question there... but I guess the guest vocalist forced the label's decision.

I'm a little disappointed though, I thought they would include some WFTSC remixes on there.

What fukkin DJs got this...I know I didn't get one.

I've only done GO, CROBAR, DEEP, SOL, NEOGAEA amongst numerous lounges...Da fuk else I gotta do??

At least I'll listen to the fucking tracks and play em if I like em.

((((e))))

Well, ((((e)))), I understand what you mean about New York not being so innovative, but it seems to me, the tracks I see on the Top 10 or 20 of the Billboared Club Play chart seem to be those mid-paced New York-style house tracks.

You see a lot of ethnic female vocalists, Norty Cotto remixes, Supechumbo, crap like that (I could go on). Whenever I go out in NYC, the vibe is certainly more ethnic and I think the Billboard Club Play chart reflects that. That's why I say that.

Honestly, I wish I DID know how the Club Play chart was compiled. But I see all these New York style cuts there, I never see, for example, 4 Strings, which is a Dutch trance group that gets played a LOT in Miami, which is quite an ethnic city.

Maybe you can shed some light on this.

AgentWood wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Other bits of information I gathered:

Yes. These are digital only.

We will be putting out the sirens call mixes in the near future. Just don't have a plan yet.

Will get you details on the Singles. Its coming through Rhino here.

well, you know that taking care of lindsay lohan does eat up a lot of warner's time. we must remember that, everyone. new order simply aren't at the top of the record company's list of priorities; rightly so as lohan is a star! (jazz hands smilie inserted here)

I f*cking hate Linsday Lohan and her anorexic no-talent ass! She should stop partying with Tara Reid and blowing Wilmer Valderama and do us all a favor and die in a mountain of cocaine, seriously! I know that there are young acts with talent (Killers, Arcade Fire, Bravery, Franz Ferdinand, etc.), but apperantly my fellow Americans between 5-??? love their teen-pop! Give it a rest, honey!

Jackson Withrow wrote:

Hannett of the Apes wrote: I just realized that Daft Punk could do a workable remix/cover of Guilt.

I always prefer my 'tuckys ORIGINAL RECIPIE, though, with a B-side of macaroni salad, just make sure the mayonaise hasn't TURNed.

After their last album I think Daft Punk should turn in their synthesizers, cut their losses, and invest in a McDonalds franchise.

I like DP, I liked Homework and Discovery but the only track I like fron their new on is Technologic. That being said I think they might be worthy of an NO remix! Stress on the word might.

mysilentface wrote: phil -

you spin at red-lite? quand? when would be a good time to go? have never been actually... usually do stereo or parking downstairs on a saturday night. the guy who spins downstairs at parking must have stolen my vinyl collection because buddy spins new order man! have heard blue monday everytime i went, even blt, true faith (shep pettibone and album version) and jetstream. he even plays propaganda, human league, a-ha, mode, visage and tons more decent retro.

Ah, yes, it's good that some DJs are rediscovering/discovering the sound of the 80s!
"OK, pop music, does anyone like the Human League?"
Sorry random Young Ones moment!

KaiserX wrote: Can't people just be happy that there is going to be another single? Some people here sound like the old farts that complained when vinyl went to cassette or when CD came out. I like vinyl and CDs too, but I just rip them straight to my iPod to listen to. Digital downloads are the next progression, so get used to it. I'm just happy that Guilt is being releaseed. In any form!

Yeah, I'm so stoked that there is gonna be a new single, and I don't care how I get it, buy or download, it will one day go into my iPod!

mark reed wrote: People like to see physical product. To me, music isn't data. It's art. Kids who only know downloading have no problem with buying music as mp3's. I think NO fans are people who have a bit more respect for history. I don't buy downloads : low quality, DRM'ed-to-fuck rubbish. I'd buy a CD in an instant, though.

I prefer the CDs myself. I'll download if I have to if the thing is made unavailable or hard to find, but that's the extent i'll go. And finally! Someone who gets the fact that music is a form of ART!!!

MTO wrote: Well, ((((e)))), I understand what you mean about New York not being so innovative, but it seems to me, the tracks I see on the Top 10 or 20 of the Billboared Club Play chart seem to be those mid-paced New York-style house tracks.

You see a lot of ethnic female vocalists, Norty Cotto remixes, Supechumbo, crap like that (I could go on). Whenever I go out in NYC, the vibe is certainly more ethnic and I think the Billboard Club Play chart reflects that. That's why I say that.

Honestly, I wish I DID know how the Club Play chart was compiled. But I see all these New York style cuts there, I never see, for example, 4 Strings, which is a Dutch trance group that gets played a LOT in Miami, which is quite an ethnic city.

Maybe you can shed some light on this.

I can add that every mix comp you see has some of the same tracks as the next one. You know I don't mind trance or Superchumbo, but it makes me wonder where all the GOOD club music went to. It makes the next Global Underground a joy to own and play on you stereo/iPod/Discman/Walkman.

But you know the Global Underground series has gone kind of stale, Andrew. I love Way Out West but I can't stand to see another Nick Warren Global Underground #54. They could have been SOOOO diverse with that series and it went to pot.

A great new comp series is Bedrock Original Series. Check those out. And if you really want to hear the most upfront dance music in the WORLD, BAR NONE - check out Anjunabeats Vol. 3 CD (on Anjunabeats in the UK, Ultra in the US) and Lost Language's 'Exhibition III' 3xCD (Lost Language) - I think that's where the next level music is right now.

But what about that GIAUE CD Single?? - I NEED IT!!

Where the fuck are we supposed to get the Morel dub?

?

This is a very purplish song, hence ....

All Warners US needs to do is design the GIAUE cover just like the WFTSC and Jetstream promos. Put a capital 'G' in the middle and the print can be in black. Just black and white.

There Warners, how's that for saving money? Now give yourselves a 10% Christmas bonus and DELIVER MY SINGLE ON CD and 2x12"!!!!

Gnu Odor wrote: Where the fuck are we supposed to get the Morel dub?

I love U, GO

(in response to the post with the purple designed album sleeve. my quote thingy wasnt working)

I always associated black, white, and gold with this track. i thought who's joe was a purple one

...what the fuck am I talking about?

MTO wrote: Well, ((((e)))), I understand what you mean about New York not being so innovative, but it seems to me, the tracks I see on the Top 10 or 20 of the Billboared Club Play chart seem to be those mid-paced New York-style house tracks.

You see a lot of ethnic female vocalists, Norty Cotto remixes, Supechumbo, crap like that (I could go on). Whenever I go out in NYC, the vibe is certainly more ethnic and I think the Billboard Club Play chart reflects that. That's why I say that.

Honestly, I wish I DID know how the Club Play chart was compiled. But I see all these New York style cuts there, I never see, for example, 4 Strings, which is a Dutch trance group that gets played a LOT in Miami, which is quite an ethnic city.

Maybe you can shed some light on this.

Well Billboard is reported to by radio stations and DJs of record pools and shit like that. Then they rank em. Record pools aren't what they used to be.

I think someone is getting payola though. When you hear the same 20 fukkin songs every hour there's something wrong.

I think NYC is too commercialized these days and infected by shitty hip-hop (yes there is good hip hop out there) and dance records. That's why NY DJs who play the really good dance records aren't highly publicized...they lose out to the overseas DJs who have more flexibility to be innovative. We need to get our heads out of our fuckin asses and get good local DJs gigs w/o having to kiss up to clearchannel.

I'm not bitter but shit needs to change...You have to break through overseas just to come back and play in your backyard...Not good!!!

MTO wrote: All Warners US needs to do is design the GIAUE cover just like the WFTSC and Jetstream promos. Put a capital 'G' in the middle and the print can be in black. Just black and white.

There Warners, how's that for saving money? Now give yourselves a 10% Christmas bonus and DELIVER MY SINGLE ON CD and 2x12"!!!!

I second that one

too late

i jumped to the last page of this thread:

is there any talk of a video?

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: where would a guy find all the promo mixes for WFTSC and Guilt?

...and I LOVE YOU Biz.....xoxoxoxoo

They should use the Mac Quayle vocal mix instead of the album version.

((((e)))) wrote:

MTO wrote: All Warners US needs to do is design the GIAUE cover just like the WFTSC and Jetstream promos. Put a capital 'G' in the middle and the print can be in black. Just black and white.

There Warners, how's that for saving money? Now give yourselves a 10% Christmas bonus and DELIVER MY SINGLE ON CD and 2x12"!!!!

I second that one

I agree with that as well. The MAJOR piece of art in relation to New Order IS the songs after all and even if they put out the CD single/12"s in a brown paper bag I'd fooking buy it still.

I second that one

I agree with that as well. The MAJOR piece of art in relation to New Order IS the songs after all and even if they put out the CD single/12"s in a brown paper bag I'd fooking buy it still.

he hee...reminds me of a mid-seventies Alice Cooper lp...called 'Muscle Of Love'....came in a brown paper bag with cumstains on it.....ah, memories

Strangely enough, I prefer the Album Version over the Mac Quayle one. I am so proud of New Orde for coming up with a solid dance tune on their own. I could play it in the club just as it is.

Of course, I'm not shelling out $30 for a 2xLP of "Waiting For The Sirens' Call" but you get my drift.

(I don't own CDJ's so I don't mix with CDs)

MTO wrote: Strangely enough, I prefer the Album Version over the Mac Quayle one. I am so proud of New Orde for coming up with a solid dance tune on their own. I could play it in the club just as it is.

Of course, I'm not shelling out $30 for a 2xLP of "Waiting For The Sirens' Call" but you get my drift.

(I don't own CDJ's so I don't mix with CDs)

I shelled out the money for the LP and it was worth it...

I love the orig GIAUE I've already played it at SOL which was met with great response...Some actually thought it was a remix.

yeeaaahh!!!

((((e))))

what if i don't have an ipod???

((((e))))

Ok, so here, for those worried about not being able to cover their GIAUE downloads.

Spotnick wrote: Hum... not sure about the green/orange though...

Bah humbug. Even Saville's gotta celebrate Christmas?

Kick ass dude!!! where can I download the rest of the remixes??? I love New Order and buy all their commercial releases, but I don't know about the whole digital release only thing. Thanks loads again man!! Ugan

Spotnick wrote:

((((e)))) wrote: what if i don't have an ipod???

((((e))))

Who said you need one? iTunes will play it on your computer, no problem there...

my pc is not itune friendly...

Just please put out some vinyl Warner

Is it really too much to ask??

((((e))))

KaiserX wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Hum... not sure about the green/orange though...

Bah humbug. Even Saville's gotta celebrate Christmas?

Well it is christmas time.

I thought they would never do a XMAS release.

Next we'll see a track called "It's xmas in Manchester"

((((e))))

Not interested in buying subpar digital media. Guess I'll go without! Deffo wouldn't mind this on CD or CD-R, but c'est la vie, non?

I think next UK single "Turn" will feature GIAUE remixes as coupling tracks.

Kaiser X - I like it - a little bit of colour never hurt anyone.

Spotnick wrote: Notes from Warner US:

We are shipping our third single "Guilt Is A Useless Emotion" to clubs this week. The track was produced by Stuart Price who also worked on the upcoming Madonna album.

We will release two digital maxi singles in the US on 11/29.

Guilt Is A Useless Emotion DMD (DJ VERSION)

Album Version 5:36 DJ Dan Club Mix 8:05 Bill Hamel Vocal Mix 8:39 Blueplate Vox 7:30 Morel's Pink Noise Mix 7:49 Mac Quayle Extended Mix 7:57

Guilt Is A Useless Emotion DMD (Consumer Version)

Album Version 5:36 DJ Dan Club Mix edit (timing tbd) Bill Hamel Vocal edit (timing tbd) Blueplate Vox edit (timing tbd) Morel's Pink Noise edit (3:56) Mac Quayle Vocal Mix 6:27

Since I received my CD in the mail today, I thought I would update this.

Catalog Number is PRO-CDR-101687

Here are the track times:

1. Album Version 5:36
2. DJ Dan Club Mix 8:05
3. Bill Hamel Vocal Mix 8:39
4. MARK!'s True N.O. Vox 7:30
5. Morel's Pink Noise Mix 7:49
6. DJ Dan Mixshow 6:09
7. Mac Quayle Extended 7:57
8. Morel's Pink Noise Dub 7:19
9. MARK!'s True N.O. Dub 7:30

Total Running Time: 1 Hour, 6 minutes and 45 seconds.

I am listening to the CD as we speak and once I get done, I'll try and get a mini-review up of my impression of the tracks. I do like the Bill Hamel mix thus far.

But based on the original tracklisting that Spotnick put up, it looks like the Blueplate mix became the MARK!'s True N.O. Vox. It also looks like a few tracks may be exlusive (DJ Dan Mixshow, Morel's Pink Noise Dub and MARK!'s True N.O. Dub). Wonder when the updated release info will hit ITunes, etc.

Shawn

I have nothing against the progression to digital downloads and also own an iPod but what I would like the online stores to do is offer optional lossless versions of the tracks for purchase. Sure the files would be much bigger (i.e. 50MB for a 5 minute track) but just about everyone has broadband and bigger hard disks these days. I'd never be off the online stores if they offered lossless quality but the way things stand iTunes and Napster have alot to learn; the 128kbps quality is shit and for the moment I'll always prefer a CD release over overzealously protected M4P files.

I completely agree. I'm in the same league as you. I don't buy anything from iTunes, unless it's something I want and can't get anywhere else (i.e. some of those iTunes originals). I've already left feedback about the sound quality and suggested that those music fans who care about sound quality should be offered a full quality wav file as an alternative. I would even be willing to pay a bit more for the higher quality! That's why I think 99 cents for a highly compressed file is absolutely ridiculous.

This is getting really stupid. What rubbish format will they come up with next? Only available on shellac cylinders? Only as sheet music that you have to play yourself? And if they want to make us pay for our own cdrs and packaging, could they at least make full cd quality SHN or similar available instead of crappy compressed mp3? Personally I intend NEVER to pay for mp3s under any circumstances.

Shellac? Sheet music to play yourself? F*cking hilarious! I totally agree!

I just got my copy in the mail today from Record Runner and I have to say that I'm VERY pleased with the mixes. They are just the right thing to play when you wanna step it up a notch and get the house kids moving a little faster.

Each mix has it's own appeal, I feel they are equally good. (MARK!'s True N.O. Mix) has a melody patch that references 'Blue Monday' and that was pretty cool. (Morel's Pink Noise Mix) is awesome too. His own stuff I could take or leave but he has done some excellent work for New Order over the last 4 years. The (Album Version) really stands up well against these mixes, I might add.

Also, I really enjoyed the dubs, Morel's especially. I know the purists are rolling their eyes now.

Y'all should get a copy of this disc, it's really good.

Let's hear some more reviews.....

Guys,

I'm waiting on my copy turning up and will be happy to contribute then. In the meantime the number of copies out there is growing and the price correspondingly falling. I search ebay for "Guilt is a useless Emotion" and came up with a raft of sources and the most was 20$ for sale by dexterphillups and the cheapest just 5$ Get in there guys, and may I add, well done for waiting... Cheers

Got mine yesterday. I'm a happy man.

god I'm a stickler for 'order' - it arrived this am. I've just got home, but need to finish listening to last nights set first.... I should really get out more...

as long as everyone knows how easy it is to duplicate these types of promos...am i the only one who thinks its a bit odd that so many have made it to Ebay so quickly? there's an endless flow of these Guilt CDR's...i'm sure i'm not the only one thinking some of those being sold are bootlegs. some are certainly going to be genuine, but there's no way of knowing if you got a "real promo" or a duplicate.

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: as long as everyone knows how easy it is to duplicate these types of promos...am i the only one who thinks its a bit odd that so many have made it to Ebay so quickly? there's an endless flow of these Guilt CDR's...i'm sure i'm not the only one thinking some of those being sold are bootlegs. some are certainly going to be genuine, but there's no way of knowing if you got a "real promo" or a duplicate.

Completely AGREE.These days it is so EASY to FAKE IT.Gotta get back to the PC now cos ROCKETS RECORD production is in full swing.Not another ROCKET MICK PRODUCTION though.Now they are CRAP!:D

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: as long as everyone knows how easy it is to duplicate these types of promos...am i the only one who thinks its a bit odd that so many have made it to Ebay so quickly? there's an endless flow of these Guilt CDR's...i'm sure i'm not the only one thinking some of those being sold are bootlegs. some are certainly going to be genuine, but there's no way of knowing if you got a "real promo" or a duplicate.

the one i have and the ones i've seen on eBay aren't cd-rs. they're pressed silver CDs. not that that confirms their authenticity...but if some of them are boots, at least they're a little nicer than a homemade job made by some twit.

Yup, the one I got (and by the looks of it, the ones on ebay) are not CDR's, and looks like a proper promo to me.

I would guess that Warners have actually made quite a few copies of these, which a whole load of record shops have accumulated, ready for selling on ebay!

They do seem to be a bit more common than True Faith 2001 (same style 'artwork' - i.e. standard Warners promo design).

Which is a GOOD thing - saved me a bundle if only a couple had turned up on ebay!

yeah, i realize the discs aren't blue or gold, that's not the point, you can get hte silver discs and high quality printing directly onto the disc. i've never seen so many promos turn up so quickly. unless they sent 10 copies to every record shop with an ebay department, some of those listed are high quality copies. it really doesn't matter in the long run, cuz it's the music we want and not the 'rarity', right?

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: it really doesn't matter in the long run, cuz it's the music we want and not the 'rarity', right?

Yup, does for me!

Biznotic Love Trapezoid wrote: yeah, i realize the discs aren't blue or gold, that's not the point, you can get hte silver discs and high quality printing directly onto the disc. i've never seen so many promos turn up so quickly. unless they sent 10 copies to every record shop with an ebay department, some of those listed are high quality copies. it really doesn't matter in the long run, cuz it's the music we want and not the 'rarity', right?

well said

I just can't wait 'till this charts on the Billboard Club Play chart - wonder how high it's gonna go.

Still, I wish they'd do a proper CD Single and 2x12".

In my dreams, they's do a 3x12" of WFTSC (with the Tribute Mix and all on it) and a 3x12" of GIAUE (with the Junior Sanchex remixes etc.) on it.

Though I have a better chance of getting struck by lightning.

I want the GIAUE mixes on vinyl, dammit!

Great set of mixes, really - best since 'Someone Like You'.

Any word from Warner on releasing 12's???

((((e))))

GIAUE @ iTMS

Checking iTunes to see if GIAUE was out before I headed out for work, and it is...with edited versions. :(

I just hope that by the time I get home today, the full versions are up.

They did this for Depeche's Precious but released the full versions first.

Anybody have any more insight on whether or not we will see the digital release with full versions today?

according to the initial press release, we will not see the long versions....they only go to 'dj's'.....of course, that press release really didnt make sense anyway.

I suspect the record company may be doing some kind of marketing tests using NO as a subject, to see how different release methods are effective.....I think they should just F off.

by the way, that's a cute bunny-in-the-wild on the guilt page at itunes

I'm going to try and download it at the weekend; this will be my first venture into i-Tunes... hopefully by then any download problems will be sorted and I'll have some nice lovely mixes of GIAUE to burn off an crank up in my stereo...

such a shame that there is so much discussion and not the availability ;(

Anyway I can offer my thoughts on the first two mixes which I have now listened to and inwardly digested.

In short, excellent. The DJ Dan mix betrays his djing heritage. the baseline is strong but I like the fact the song is still there. (He actually did a top remix of DM's Precious recently) As for the Hamel Vocal, this is another interesting intepretation although it truer to the original I feel.

Am really looking forward to the rest ;)

Yes, the iTunes (US only) details are as below:

1. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (5:37)
2. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (DJ Dan Club Mix Edit) (5:00)
3. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Bill Hamel Vocal Edit) (5:01)
4. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Mark!'s True N.O. Vox Edit) (5:03)
5. Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (Morel's Pink Noise Edit) (4:05)

Of course, I can't actually buy any of the songs, as I don't like in the US! :p

I just want to buy it.

How can you deny it?

(MARK!'s True N.O. Vox is doin' it for me right now)

12" please

dammit!!!!

yo MTO send me the songs via e-mail please.

((((e))))

Still liking the DJ Dan Club mix the best. Am up to 6 ;)

Nick King wrote: Yup, the one I got (and by the looks of it, the ones on ebay) are not CDR's, and looks like a proper promo to me.

I would guess that Warners have actually made quite a few copies of these, which a whole load of record shops have accumulated, ready for selling on ebay!

They do seem to be a bit more common than True Faith 2001 (same style 'artwork' - i.e. standard Warners promo design).

Which is a GOOD thing - saved me a bundle if only a couple had turned up on ebay!

Yup got mine today,cant find the bloody thing now,but they are definately legit,hang on got the pro number on my comp.....here it is... Guilt is a useless emotion rhino/warner 9trk pro -cdr101687

I aint seen any cdrs of giaue tho.

regards

Got my promo CD today, and I can confirm that the mixes are bloody excellent - even the dubs! I suspect we'll see some of these on the UK CDs of 'Turn'. As someone said, best mixes since 'Someone Like You', and a shame it's not getting a kosher single release with a radio edit of the album version.

Andy

If UK DJs get as excited about the remixes as some are here, the buzz may tempt London into releasing a conventional single.

:\pimp3:

depthcharge wrote: If UK DJs get as excited about the remixes as some are here, the buzz may tempt London into releasing a conventional single.

:\pimp3:

We can only hope that's the case, Depthy unless one of the Oz Order lands a promo CD off Ebay and feels generous enough to let the rest of us "preview" the tracks as well. My Bastardcard is a bit maxed-out pre-Xmas so I can't put up a really decent bid myself

It might just happen, S6.

;)

((((e)))):

I hate to sound daft, but this just lends credibility to the fact that I've never downloaded music:

I don't know how to e-mail the tracks to you. E-mail me and maybe you can help me out or we can trade. I never use my PC to listen to music so I'm kinda lost.